Does Brian Hill stay or go???

[Douglaspoke]

Lawrence Gaines ( Detroit Lions) and Aaron Kyle (Dallas Cowboys) --Same year First round picks--University of Wyoming-1976 NFL Draft

 

[Poke-proud]

There is absolutely nothing Hill could do to move up to a 1st round pick next year. He could run for 2400 yards and still be a 2nd rounder at best. Why? Because he plays at Wyoming, simple as that, we get no respect. Yes, this is opinion, but I bet it's very close to the truth.

If that's true, how did Carson Wentz go so high at a FCS school?


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[Cowboy Junky]

Bowl games count for Hill. He has 14 or 15 games to get 2200 yards, to break Pumphrey's record.

14 games is 156 yards per game.
15 games is 146 yards per game.

That's doable.

 

[kdwrightuwyo]

There is absolutely nothing Hill could do to move up to a 1st round pick next year. He could run for 2400 yards and still be a 2nd rounder at best. Why? Because he plays at Wyoming, simple as that, we get no respect. Yes, this is opinion, but I bet it's very close to the truth.

If that's true, how did Carson Wentz go so high at a FCS school?


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NDSU has received MUCH more positive publicity in the last decade than Wyoming has. That's one reason Wentz went so high. When you win 4 national championships (FCS or FBS) you garner a metric shit ton of positive press. When you have one halfway decent year every 5 years, you don't.

 

[Wyo2dal]

There is absolutely nothing Hill could do to move up to a 1st round pick next year. He could run for 2400 yards and still be a 2nd rounder at best. Why? Because he plays at Wyoming, simple as that, we get no respect. Yes, this is opinion, but I bet it's very close to the truth.

If that's true, how did Carson Wentz go so high at a FCS school?


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NDSU has received MUCH more positive publicity in the last decade than Wyoming has. That's one reason Wentz went so high. When you win 4 national championships (FCS or FBS) you garner a metric shit ton of positive press. When you have one halfway decent year every 5 years, you don't.

Pure nonsens, I use to view Wyoming players that same way. That because the team has been shitty they aren't capable of being drafted high but that is nonsense. Team meetings, interviews and combine or private workouts.

There is absolutely no reason Hill can't get up in rounds on his draft stock but it's not going to be given to him. He has to decide if he wants to work for it for another year. You miss some important stuff being left out of the combine but underclassmen don't get priority on spots seniors do.

As a senior you have more opportunity to meet coaches and teams going to the combine than you do entering the draft early and missing that.

No one can guarantee Hill be will be invited to the combine as an underclassmen while it also isn't guaranteed as a senior it's more likely and a great showing in the senior bowl can also increase draft stock.

If I was involved with someone on leaving school early I'd always discourage it because of how many underclassmen I've seen not get drafted or drafted late and not make the roster.






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[kdwrightuwyo]

I wasn't saying he can't increase his draft potential...I was just making the comment that NDSU received much, MUCH more positive press than Wyo.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I wasn't saying he can't increase his draft potential...I was just making the comment that NDSU received much, MUCH more positive press than Wyo.

I don't disagree with that but I don't believe that any of the schools publicity made NFL coaches decide to take him in the 1st round that was 100% him.

However on that note I do believe NFL scouts know what coaches have a good track record of developing players and I believe Wyoming now has that because of Bohl.


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[Poke-proud]

There is absolutely nothing Hill could do to move up to a 1st round pick next year. He could run for 2400 yards and still be a 2nd rounder at best. Why? Because he plays at Wyoming, simple as that, we get no respect. Yes, this is opinion, but I bet it's very close to the truth.

If that's true, how did Carson Wentz go so high at a FCS school?


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NDSU has received MUCH more positive publicity in the last decade than Wyoming has. That's one reason Wentz went so high. When you win 4 national championships (FCS or FBS) you garner a metric shit ton of positive press. When you have one halfway decent year every 5 years, you don't.

Pure nonsens, I use to view Wyoming players that same way. That because the team has been shitty they aren't capable of being drafted high but that is nonsense. Team meetings, interviews and combine or private workouts.

There is absolutely no reason Hill can't get up in rounds on his draft stock but it's not going to be given to him. He has to decide if he wants to work for it for another year. You miss some important stuff being left out of the combine but underclassmen don't get priority on spots seniors do.

As a senior you have more opportunity to meet coaches and teams going to the combine than you do entering the draft early and missing that.

No one can guarantee Hill be will be invited to the combine as an underclassmen while it also isn't guaranteed as a senior it's more likely and a great showing in the senior bowl can also increase draft stock.

If I was involved with someone on leaving school early I'd always discourage it because of how many underclassmen I've seen not get drafted or drafted late and not make the roster.






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Agreed, hogwash. I see NDSU about 3 games and normally a couple of those are in the playoffs.


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[pokefanchaz7]

There is absolutely nothing Hill could do to move up to a 1st round pick next year. He could run for 2400 yards and still be a 2nd rounder at best. Why? Because he plays at Wyoming, simple as that, we get no respect. Yes, this is opinion, but I bet it's very close to the truth.

Sorry but this is just an asinine comment. That entire mentality that a Wyoming player can't be drafted at x round because he is from Wyoming is pure nonsense.


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Fcs had a qb takin in the first round. If measurements show them a stud they will draft him no matter where he played.


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[Asmodeanreborn]

I think Allen has a greater chance of working himself into the first round than Hill does. Hill may be the best runningback we've ever had, but Allen's attributes (size, speed, and cannon for an arm) make him even more rare, at least if he proves he can control his gunslinger instincts (and yes, that's a rather major if, but could still happen).

You don't really see NFL teams building around a running back. Allen, on the other hand, could be somebody to build an offense around.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I think Allen has a greater chance of working himself into the first round than Hill does. Hill may be the best runningback we've ever had, but Allen's attributes (size, speed, and cannon for an arm) make him even more rare, at least if he proves he can control his gunslinger instincts (and yes, that's a rather major if, but could still happen).

You don't really see NFL teams building around a running back. Allen, on the other hand, could be somebody to build an offense around.

The Cowboys are the only team that have designed winning around a RB. They did it with Murray and now he has learned that.

They are doing it with Elliot but he is a completely different back leaps and bounds ahead of Murray.


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[carbonpoke]

OK, let's make this a little more simple. Do a google search for best college running backs 2016-2017. I went through 3 pages, and his name didn't make the cut. So yes, we wanna see him make the league... But quit trying to make a sale for your own optimism. Don't sell the kid some bullshit story.

Sell him some fucking honesty. If he doesn't get drafted... He's fucked... That simple. No money, no scholarship...

Waltercamp didn't have him in the top 28. There is a fucking buffet line of power five running backs... This could be the worst decision, and u guys aren't helping one bit.

I've tried to sugar coat this, saying he can improve his draft stock... But the absolute honest bottom line... He might not get drafted this year.

Hell pumphrey broke the damn record and he "might" get drafted. This is not a good year to jump at some optimistic dream of cash. It could end his football career if he wiffs.

They only people that can talk into his ear legally, are agents. And us. Take a step back and wonder how shitty u would feel if he gets an invite instead of a solid draft position.

I will support his decision, and god I will be so relieved if he makes it, I want him in the NFL... But I don't want him entering the race without a jockie. Nobody is on his side. We are, but the media isn't, and neither is the voting media.

He isn't elite fast, he wasn't the best in the Mwc this year, and he has about 25 power five running backs being talked about before him.

 

[carbonpoke]

The best advice I could give hill, is don't hire an agent. Just take a lawyer to any contract negotiation. Do it for u man...

 

[Lost Poke]

They only people that can talk into his ear legally, are agents. And us. Take a step back and wonder how shitty u would feel if he gets an invite instead of a solid draft position.

If anyone makes a decision on entering the draft based on what we say here, then god help them for being born so stupid.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

In my opinion, you all are making this too hard. Mr. Hill has an exceptional skill set that will land him a shot at the NFL this year or next...whatever he chooses. The rest is up to him to prove he belongs. Regardless, he likely won't be in the guaranteed contract range.

If he has the goods (and I think he does), he's looking at a 4 year payday. Reality is that he starts now to get the clock ticking or he wants to enjoy another year of college before starting the clock.

One more year might (stress might) impact his draft round but it won't impact his likelihood to stick with a team or drastically effect his earning potential. His year 4 contract (should he stick) is where he'll get paid.

I'd love him to stay but never blame him for taking his shot now. Either way: GREAT JOB COWBOY!!

 

[ragtimejoe1]

One more separate thought, but please stop with B. Smith comparisons. If Smith would have stayed, his draft situation would have been nearly identical. Maybe another year would have put him in the last round, but his pro-career wouldn't have been better. He just doesn't have the arm. Love the guy as a Cowboy but he isn't pro material.

Same holds for Hill. He either is or he isn't but another year at WYO won't effect that. I really hope he stays. It will be for reasons other than pro implications if he does.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Using Wentz as an example is apples to oranges. There are several QBs taken in the first round every year, over the last 5 years there has been only about 1 RB taken in the first round each year on average. In order for Hill to stay and go in the first round, he would have to be the #1 or #2 RB in the entire draft. I just don't see that happening.

 

[joshvanklomp]

It's my opinion, but I think that's a little more realistic than assuming he's going to do all these things you think he is, including rushing for 2200 yards. Show me a running back who has ever improved their stock, ever from a 6th round pick to a 1st or 2nd round pick. I doubt you'll find many examples of that, especially from non P5 schools. I've seen him rated as roughly the 15-20th best RB in his class. You don't get picked in the 1st-2nd round with that.

It's not as easy as saying "he's a 6th round talent now, but next year he could be a 1st round talent."

Supply and demand. This year's class is loaded at RB. And many of the 15-20 RBs ahead of him in his class will likely be declaring for this year's draft or already have. They would be out of the picture, sliding the RBs behind them up the draft board.

 

[Poke-proud]

Using Wentz as an example is apples to oranges. There are several QBs taken in the first round every year, over the last 5 years there has been only about 1 RB taken in the first round each year on average. In order for Hill to stay and go in the first round, he would have to be the #1 or #2 RB in the entire draft. I just don't see that happening.

It's not apples and oranges - the belief that talent at a lower class school, any position, is hogwash. QB, RB or otherwise. That's why Wentz is relevant.


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[WestWYOPoke]

Using Wentz as an example is apples to oranges. There are several QBs taken in the first round every year, over the last 5 years there has been only about 1 RB taken in the first round each year on average. In order for Hill to stay and go in the first round, he would have to be the #1 or #2 RB in the entire draft. I just don't see that happening.

It's not apples and oranges - the belief that talent at a lower class school, any position, is hogwash. QB, RB or otherwise. That's why Wentz is relevant.


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You are comparing a guy that plays a position that gets 3-4 players taken in the first round annually vs a position that is lucky to get 2....it's the definition of apples to oranges. If Barry Sanders were in the draft this year, he would MAYBE Be a 1st round pick...that's how little RBs are thought of in the league today.