Direction of the program under Larry Shyatt

[DocHolliday]

The season-ending swoons have unfortunately been a hallmark of Larry Shyatt coached teams the last few seasons.

The collective win total over the past 3 years is somewhat artificially inflated by winning against mediocre to sub-mediocre teams over the last 3 seasons...the overall won-lost record is not as impressive as it may appear on the surface.

I think that full disclosure would reveal that everyone who visits this great forum for UW sports wants nothing but the best for the Pokes & each and every one of us bleeds brown & gold with passion & enthusiasm.

I think that our football program is in excellent hands and the confidence that I feel for the success that is to come with Coach Bohl and his staff is legit.

But where do we stand on the basketball front?

I love Coach Shyatt as a man and I believe he's done well more good than bad since he came back a few years ago. That said people are obviously frustrated and perhaps with good reason on several issues.

Is it unfair to give him and his staff a complete grade at this point -- or is the right thing to give him more time before rendering a final assessment on his impact on UW hoops?

It may be hard to judge too harshly with the number of wins Shyatt's teams have accumulated -- but then again on the other hand his clubs have no doubt underachieved with consistency when they have needed to rise to the occasion and deliver a statement game win.

Bottom line question for you: Is Larry Shyatt the coach who can lead this program to bigger and better things and deliver sustained success for Wyoming basketball? Or is he the coach who can bring about a certain level of respectability to the program - but nothing beyond that?

P.S. This message and inquiry has nothing to do really with tonight's UNLV loss - this is a question that's been wandering around my mind pretty much all season. I think this year's team is right around where they should be. They can defend well at times, but they lack the ability to shoot with consistency, they play very sloppy with the basketball, and they are inconsistent from the FT line. They have little depth and are seemingly a one-dimensional club. In a strong year for the MWC they would have dropped out of the conversation weeks ago. They are an average basketball team - and have been the entire season, Larry Nance Jr, or not.

 

[J-Rod]

I think that our football program is in excellent hands and the confidence that I feel for the success that is to come with Coach Bohl and his staff is legit.

Larry Shyatt has won 20+ games AGAIN. Craig Bohl lost by 49 points on senior night and lost a game to nipples man Norm Chow. Please...Bohl's tenure is young, but Shyatt has easily outperformed him. I'm upset this team hasn't lived up to its potential too, but you have to look at the bigger picture. Like JimmyDimes keeps saying, how the hell do you prepare for mono ruining your season? This team is 21-8, and unfortunately got bit by the plague pigeon. They could have been better otherwise. Much better. Momentum is everything, just ask Leon Rice.

This sucks. I thought Wyoming could win the MW (they still can, BTW). I also have no doubt Shyatt is the right man for the job. We're arguing about 20+ win teams...that's infinitely better than what we argued about in the Schroyer era.

 

[DocHolliday]

I think that our football program is in excellent hands and the confidence that I feel for the success that is to come with Coach Bohl and his staff is legit.

Larry Shyatt has won 20+ games AGAIN. Craig Bohl lost by 49 points on senior night and lost a game to nipples man Norm Chow. Please...Bohl's tenure is young, but Shyatt has easily outperformed him. I'm upset this team hasn't lived up to its potential too, but you have to look at the bigger picture. Like JimmyDimes keeps saying, how the hell do you prepare for mono ruining your season? This team is 21-8, and unfortunately got bit by the plague pigeon. They could have been better otherwise. Much better. Momentum is everything, just ask Leon Rice.

This sucks. I thought Wyoming could win the MW (they still can, BTW). I also have no doubt Shyatt is the right man for the job. We're arguing about 20+ win teams...that's infinitely better than what we argued about in the Schroyer era.

I'm really tiring of comparing everything present day to the era of Heath Schroyer.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I think that our football program is in excellent hands and the confidence that I feel for the success that is to come with Coach Bohl and his staff is legit.

Larry Shyatt has won 20+ games AGAIN. Craig Bohl lost by 49 points on senior night and lost a game to nipples man Norm Chow. Please...Bohl's tenure is young, but Shyatt has easily outperformed him. I'm upset this team hasn't lived up to its potential too, but you have to look at the bigger picture. Like JimmyDimes keeps saying, how the hell do you prepare for mono ruining your season? This team is 21-8, and unfortunately got bit by the plague pigeon. They could have been better otherwise. Much better. Momentum is everything, just ask Leon Rice.

This sucks. I thought Wyoming could win the MW (they still can, BTW). I also have no doubt Shyatt is the right man for the job. We're arguing about 20+ win teams...that's infinitely better than what we argued about in the Schroyer era.

And it's worse than the Mclain era. What's your point? Shyatt isn't judged on the Schroyer era, he's judged in his. Just like Bohl will be judged in his work, not Christensons. I like shyatt, a lot. I think with the correct personnel he can take us where we want. My concern is his recruiting. Is this next class the one? Is this the turning point? His first recruiting class is graduating and while consistent, we have not grown under Shyatt in any way other than wins against lesser teams.
Given the recent thin skinniness of the board I will say this is not an attack but a thought I too have been having. Where do we go from here? Sure, we're not mathematically eliminated from winning the championship but does anyone truthfully believe after the last two games that we will win the next 5 games?

 

[DocHolliday]

I think that our football program is in excellent hands and the confidence that I feel for the success that is to come with Coach Bohl and his staff is legit.

Larry Shyatt has won 20+ games AGAIN. Craig Bohl lost by 49 points on senior night and lost a game to nipples man Norm Chow. Please...Bohl's tenure is young, but Shyatt has easily outperformed him. I'm upset this team hasn't lived up to its potential too, but you have to look at the bigger picture. Like JimmyDimes keeps saying, how the hell do you prepare for mono ruining your season? This team is 21-8, and unfortunately got bit by the plague pigeon. They could have been better otherwise. Much better. Momentum is everything, just ask Leon Rice.

This sucks. I thought Wyoming could win the MW (they still can, BTW). I also have no doubt Shyatt is the right man for the job. We're arguing about 20+ win teams...that's infinitely better than what we argued about in the Schroyer era.

And it's worse than the Mclain era. What's your point? Shyatt isn't judged on the Schroyer era, he's judged in his. Just like Bohl will be judged in his work, not Christensons. I like shyatt, a lot. I think with the correct personnel he can take us where we want. My concern is his recruiting. Is this next class the one? Is this the turning point? His first recruiting class is graduating and while consistent, we have not grown under Shyatt in any way other than wins against lesser teams.
Given the recent thin skinniness of the board I will say this is not an attack but a thought I too have been having. Where do we go from here? Sure, we're not mathematically eliminated from winning the championship but does anyone truthfully believe after the last two games that we will win the next 5 games?

I would agree with many of your points - objective observations.

So Mono ruined our season, eh? That's a convenient albeit flawed crutch to use, and it's a loser's mentality in my opinion.

Nance's absence exposed the massive flaw in this team - depth. As in it has none.

This 'I have faith' talk sounds like people still want to believe that there's a Santa Claus each moring on December 25.

Anyone who harbors feelings that allow them to seriously believe this team as presently constituted can win the MWC Championship...I mean anything is certainly possible - but I wonder about both the objectivity and the tangible evidence one may propose to be thinking this way.

Boise State, San Diego State, CSU, and UNLV are all better teams than Wyoming is. They can play and compete with the middle tier teams in the conference, but then again, they can easily lose to any of those teams as well.

 

[bladerunnr]

I think we are so used to failure in our revenue producing sports that no one will dare question Shyatt for at least a few more years. He has made us respectable again. That is a huge leap up from the dark ages (a.k.a. the heath schroyer era). This is the first year in a very long time that we actually have a winning record in the MWC.

But still, it bothers me that csewe looks ready to make the tourney again for the 3d time in 4 years. Eustacy brings in a bunch of transfers and the rebuilding is complete. Is this a good way for us to go? I'm not sure. But when I look at this team, we have 2 real players, Nance and Adams. I frankly don't see anything else but a bunch of role players. I've been a Wyo. fan since I was kid growing up in Casper listening to games when Don Devoe was the coach.
Brandenburg was really the only coach we've had till now that made Wyo. basketball something to be proud of. McClain had a few good years but he blew it by job hunting.

The bottom line is we've got a coach who's happy to be here and were a solid program again. After being in the tournament play in game year after year - I'm satisfied with solid.

 

[DocHolliday]

:ugeek:

I think we are so used to failure in our revenue producing sports that no one will dare question Shyatt for at least a few more years. He has made us respectable again. That is a huge leap up from the dark ages (a.k.a. the heath schroyer era). This is the first year in a very long time that we actually have a winning record in the MWC.

But still, it bothers me that csewe looks ready to make the tourney again for the 3d time in 4 years. Eustacy brings in a bunch of transfers and the rebuilding is complete. Is this a good way for us to go? I'm not sure. But when I look at this team, we have 2 real players, Nance and Adams. I frankly don't see anything else but a bunch of role players. I've been a Wyo. fan since I was kid growing up in Casper listening to games when Don Devoe was the coach.
Brandenburg was really the only coach we've had till now that made Wyo. basketball something to be proud of. McClain had a few good years but he blew it by job hunting.

The bottom line is we've got a coach who's happy to be here and were a solid program again. After being in the tournament play in game year after year - I'm satisfied with solid.

Appreciate your thoughts and you make some valid points.

I just want to understand you more thoroughly: Are you saying that winning 20+ games each year and not being a club that gets to the tournament dance each year is something that is good enough for you?

 

[wyokoke]

I think that our football program is in excellent hands and the confidence that I feel for the success that is to come with Coach Bohl and his staff is legit.

Larry Shyatt has won 20+ games AGAIN. Craig Bohl lost by 49 points on senior night and lost a game to nipples man Norm Chow. Please...Bohl's tenure is young, but Shyatt has easily outperformed him. I'm upset this team hasn't lived up to its potential too, but you have to look at the bigger picture. Like JimmyDimes keeps saying, how the hell do you prepare for mono ruining your season? This team is 21-8, and unfortunately got bit by the plague pigeon. They could have been better otherwise. Much better. Momentum is everything, just ask Leon Rice.

This sucks. I thought Wyoming could win the MW (they still can, BTW). I also have no doubt Shyatt is the right man for the job. We're arguing about 20+ win teams...that's infinitely better than what we argued about in the Schroyer era.

And it's worse than the Mclain era. What's your point? Shyatt isn't judged on the Schroyer era, he's judged in his. Just like Bohl will be judged in his work, not Christensons. I like shyatt, a lot. I think with the correct personnel he can take us where we want. My concern is his recruiting. Is this next class the one? Is this the turning point? His first recruiting class is graduating and while consistent, we have not grown under Shyatt in any way other than wins against lesser teams.
Given the recent thin skinniness of the board I will say this is not an attack but a thought I too have been having. Where do we go from here? Sure, we're not mathematically eliminated from winning the championship but does anyone truthfully believe after the last two games that we will win the next 5 games?

I would agree with many of your points - objective observations.

So Mono ruined our season, eh? That's a convenient albeit flawed crutch to use, and it's a loser's mentality in my opinion.

Nance's absence exposed the massive flaw in this team - depth. As in it has none.

This 'I have faith' talk sounds like people still want to believe that there's a Santa Claus each moring on December 25.

Anyone who harbors feelings that allow them to seriously believe this team as presently constituted can win the MWC Championship...I mean anything is certainly possible - but I wonder about both the objectivity and the tangible evidence one may propose to be thinking this way.

Boise State, San Diego State, CSU, and UNLV are all better teams than Wyoming is. They can play and compete with the middle tier teams in the conference, but then again, they can easily lose to any of those teams as well.

Isn't that basically the same thing you're saying about Bohl? 4-8, but you have faith in him? Obviously its a little different, with Shy being here longer, but are you not just saying you have faith in Santa...err, Bohl?

 

[DocHolliday]

I think that our football program is in excellent hands and the confidence that I feel for the success that is to come with Coach Bohl and his staff is legit.

Larry Shyatt has won 20+ games AGAIN. Craig Bohl lost by 49 points on senior night and lost a game to nipples man Norm Chow. Please...Bohl's tenure is young, but Shyatt has easily outperformed him. I'm upset this team hasn't lived up to its potential too, but you have to look at the bigger picture. Like JimmyDimes keeps saying, how the hell do you prepare for mono ruining your season? This team is 21-8, and unfortunately got bit by the plague pigeon. They could have been better otherwise. Much better. Momentum is everything, just ask Leon Rice.

This sucks. I thought Wyoming could win the MW (they still can, BTW). I also have no doubt Shyatt is the right man for the job. We're arguing about 20+ win teams...that's infinitely better than what we argued about in the Schroyer era.

And it's worse than the Mclain era. What's your point? Shyatt isn't judged on the Schroyer era, he's judged in his. Just like Bohl will be judged in his work, not Christensons. I like shyatt, a lot. I think with the correct personnel he can take us where we want. My concern is his recruiting. Is this next class the one? Is this the turning point? His first recruiting class is graduating and while consistent, we have not grown under Shyatt in any way other than wins against lesser teams.
Given the recent thin skinniness of the board I will say this is not an attack but a thought I too have been having. Where do we go from here? Sure, we're not mathematically eliminated from winning the championship but does anyone truthfully believe after the last two games that we will win the next 5 games?

I would agree with many of your points - objective observations.

So Mono ruined our season, eh? That's a convenient albeit flawed crutch to use, and it's a loser's mentality in my opinion.

Nance's absence exposed the massive flaw in this team - depth. As in it has none.

This 'I have faith' talk sounds like people still want to believe that there's a Santa Claus each moring on December 25.

Anyone who harbors feelings that allow them to seriously believe this team as presently constituted can win the MWC Championship...I mean anything is certainly possible - but I wonder about both the objectivity and the tangible evidence one may propose to be thinking this way.

Boise State, San Diego State, CSU, and UNLV are all better teams than Wyoming is. They can play and compete with the middle tier teams in the conference, but then again, they can easily lose to any of those teams as well.

Isn't that basically the same thing you're saying about Bohl? 4-8, but you have faith in him? Obviously its a little different, with Shy being here longer, but are you not just saying you have faith in Santa...err, Bohl?

Fair question, however, the confidence I feel with Bohl is born out of a reservoir of consistent success he has exhibited previously that is more than well documented. He's been there and done it.

Shyatt's experience outside of Wyoming pales by comparison.

Outside of being an assistant coach at Florida Shyatt has no experience as a leading man in developing a program that achieves high levels of success.

 

[wyokoke]

I think that our football program is in excellent hands and the confidence that I feel for the success that is to come with Coach Bohl and his staff is legit.

Larry Shyatt has won 20+ games AGAIN. Craig Bohl lost by 49 points on senior night and lost a game to nipples man Norm Chow. Please...Bohl's tenure is young, but Shyatt has easily outperformed him. I'm upset this team hasn't lived up to its potential too, but you have to look at the bigger picture. Like JimmyDimes keeps saying, how the hell do you prepare for mono ruining your season? This team is 21-8, and unfortunately got bit by the plague pigeon. They could have been better otherwise. Much better. Momentum is everything, just ask Leon Rice.

This sucks. I thought Wyoming could win the MW (they still can, BTW). I also have no doubt Shyatt is the right man for the job. We're arguing about 20+ win teams...that's infinitely better than what we argued about in the Schroyer era.

And it's worse than the Mclain era. What's your point? Shyatt isn't judged on the Schroyer era, he's judged in his. Just like Bohl will be judged in his work, not Christensons. I like shyatt, a lot. I think with the correct personnel he can take us where we want. My concern is his recruiting. Is this next class the one? Is this the turning point? His first recruiting class is graduating and while consistent, we have not grown under Shyatt in any way other than wins against lesser teams.
Given the recent thin skinniness of the board I will say this is not an attack but a thought I too have been having. Where do we go from here? Sure, we're not mathematically eliminated from winning the championship but does anyone truthfully believe after the last two games that we will win the next 5 games?

I would agree with many of your points - objective observations.

So Mono ruined our season, eh? That's a convenient albeit flawed crutch to use, and it's a loser's mentality in my opinion.

Nance's absence exposed the massive flaw in this team - depth. As in it has none.

This 'I have faith' talk sounds like people still want to believe that there's a Santa Claus each moring on December 25.

Anyone who harbors feelings that allow them to seriously believe this team as presently constituted can win the MWC Championship...I mean anything is certainly possible - but I wonder about both the objectivity and the tangible evidence one may propose to be thinking this way.

Boise State, San Diego State, CSU, and UNLV are all better teams than Wyoming is. They can play and compete with the middle tier teams in the conference, but then again, they can easily lose to any of those teams as well.

Isn't that basically the same thing you're saying about Bohl? 4-8, but you have faith in him? Obviously its a little different, with Shy being here longer, but are you not just saying you have faith in Santa...err, Bohl?

Fair question, however, the confidence I feel with Bohl is born out of a reservoir of consistent success he has exhibited previously that is more than well documented. He's been there and done it.

Shyatt's experience outside of Wyoming pales by comparison.

Outside of being an assistant coach at Florida Shyatt has no experience as a leading man in developing a program that achieves high levels of success.

That's fair, and I think Bohl can be very successful too. I know it sounds like the annual shitty excuse but if we could just get one break-not even get one, just not have one go against us for a year, I think you would feel differently about Shyatt. You (I think you said it) are right about depth being a huge issue, that probably shouldn't be at this point though

 

[Cuttslam]

I'm on the fence with Shyatt. 10 years as a head coach his conference record is not stellar.

98 Wyoming 9-5
99 Clemson 5-11
00 Clemson 4-12
01 Clemson 2-12
02 Clemson 4-12
03 Clemson 5-11
12 Wyoming 6-8
13 Wyoming 4-12
14 Wyoming 9-9
15 Wyoming 10-8 ?

 

[JimmyDimes]

My take FWIW. Shyatt had to start from ground zero. The best players from the team he was about the inherit all bailed. He was left with a couple decent pieces, but needed to add some JC's to fill the cracks...one or two who didn't pan out. His first class, those who remain, are the current seniors. He had a late start and the class on paper wasn't stellar. Larry Nance had the name, but that was it. You can tell the team was better his first year, but still had a ways to go.

In his 2nd year, he added Josh, Hank, Cooke, McM along with Sobey. All are/were good players, but again not a great class on paper...but better than year #1. Those guys, along with his first class and those he inherited cracked the top 25 before the first major setback.

In year 3 he adds Herndon and Washington. Anybody can see Herndon is going to be a player and Washington was highly though of prior to some freshman growing pains....kind of like what we're seeing from Gorski and Lieberman (the two best shooters on the team and both are true freshman). The team was playing well and in 3rd place when the Pokes had their 2nd major setback.

Last years class was slightly better, but luckily Shyatt is able to bring these guys along slowly. Let's remember, Shyatt didn't have the luxury of redshirting many of his first year guys. Nance and Adams have started since their freshman year, Grabau since he was a sophomore. The team had been playing great. Tied for 1st place until mono strikes two of our top 6 players. Major setback #3.

This years class looks to be Shyatt's best by far. I look forward to the day when the Pokes can get through a season without a major interruption. It does appear if some of the bigs can be developed (Barnes, Momeka, Naughton), there will be come quality depth in the near future.

It has been a frustrating year after such a promising start, but this program in heading north. And the AA renovations are going to help speed up the process.

The bottom line is we wouldn't be seeing threads like this if Nance and Herndon didn't come down with mono. We wouldn't be where we are today.

Go Pokes!

 

[JimmyDimes]

I'm on the fence with Shyatt. 10 years as a head coach his conference record is not stellar.

98 Wyoming 9-5
99 Clemson 5-11
00 Clemson 4-12
01 Clemson 2-12
02 Clemson 4-12
03 Clemson 5-11
12 Wyoming 6-8
13 Wyoming 4-12
14 Wyoming 9-9
15 Wyoming 10-8

Do you consider what has happened the past three seasons? 4 to 10 wins isn't bad an it should be much better. Clemson was a long time ago...prior to his stint at Florida where they won a couple titles.

 

[wyokoke]

Good assessment, Jimmy

 

[bladerunnr]

:ugeek:

I think we are so used to failure in our revenue producing sports that no one will dare question Shyatt for at least a few more years. He has made us respectable again. That is a huge leap up from the dark ages (a.k.a. the heath schroyer era). This is the first year in a very long time that we actually have a winning record in the MWC.

But still, it bothers me that csewe looks ready to make the tourney again for the 3d time in 4 years. Eustacy brings in a bunch of transfers and the rebuilding is complete. Is this a good way for us to go? I'm not sure. But when I look at this team, we have 2 real players, Nance and Adams. I frankly don't see anything else but a bunch of role players. I've been a Wyo. fan since I was kid growing up in Casper listening to games when Don Devoe was the coach.
Brandenburg was really the only coach we've had till now that made Wyo. basketball something to be proud of. McClain had a few good years but he blew it by job hunting.

The bottom line is we've got a coach who's happy to be here and were a solid program again. After being in the tournament play in game year after year - I'm satisfied with solid.

Appreciate your thoughts and you make some valid points.

I just want to understand you more thoroughly: Are you saying that winning 20+ games each year and not being a club that gets to the tournament dance each year is something that is good enough for you?

Until the powers that be are ready to ante up 1 1/2 to 2 million a year for a proven coach, then I guess I'm saying that Shyatt is a pretty good bargain. We are far more likely to hire another Joby Wright or Benny Dees than another Brandenburg. Is it good enough? To be honest, no. But there are something like 300 plus division 1 basketball schools and all of them would like to make the big dance. Some schools are willing to make a financial commitment to make it happen. I don't see it here.

 

[laxwyo]

I give Shyatt a B. We've actually gotten better each year and his first class is graduating. Next year will probably be a slight rebuilding year but I don't expect to be in gutter. The year after that, I hope we are close to where we are now. Shyatt is building it. Sure we'd like to be in the dance and we're all disappointed but he's done a good job from where we started

 

[BeaverPoke]

I too am sick of the "he's better than Schroyer" stuff.

I am also sick of the "Bohl is the right guy, but is Shyatt?" stuff.

Shyatt should obviously be outperforming Schroyer. So just because we hit 20 wins with 330+ OOC and in an average conference, doesn't mean we should just THANK GOD IT'S NOT SCHROYER.
Shyatt should be winning 25 here. Shyatt should be competing for MWC titles. Shyatt should be taking us to the NIT and Big Dance on a yearly basis. Not the CBI.

And Bohl? Fuckin' please. 4 wins. 1 of them was gift-wrapped by FAU. The football team sucks. And to think a guy who went 4-8, and everything else about him is just PURE speculation, is better than Shyatt is kind of foolish.
What has Bohl done? Like, really actually done that we can all agree that he has done? "Changing the culture" doesn't count. Glenn changed the culture. Christensen changed the culture. Bohl changing the culture doesn't mean anything. He has 4 wins and got shit on the same way Christensen did by the big teams.

I know that Bohl is building something. Don't try and jump down my throat for not being 100% on board with him. But at Wyo, the coaches are always building for the future. So as of year 1, he is 3 wins and 1 bowl win behind what many on here want to call one of the worst coaches we have ever had.

 

[wyokoke]

I give Shyatt a B. We've actually gotten better each year and his first class is graduating. Next year will probably be a slight rebuilding year but I don't expect to be in gutter. The year after that, I hope we are close to where we are now. Shyatt is building it. Sure we'd like to be in the dance and we're all disappointed but he's done a good job from where we started

I'd agree with this strongly, even if you don't have your awesome sig anymore

 

[DocHolliday]

I too am sick of the "he's better than Schroyer" stuff.

I am also sick of the "Bohl is the right guy, but is Shyatt?" stuff.

Shyatt should obviously be outperforming Schroyer. So just because we hit 20 wins with 330+ OOC and in an average conference, doesn't mean we should just THANK GOD IT'S NOT SCHROYER.
Shyatt should be winning 25 here. Shyatt should be competing for MWC titles. Shyatt should be taking us to the NIT and Big Dance on a yearly basis. Not the CBI.

And Bohl? Fuckin' please. 4 wins. 1 of them was gift-wrapped by FAU. The football team sucks. And to think a guy who went 4-8, and everything else about him is just PURE speculation, is better than Shyatt is kind of foolish.
What has Bohl done? Like, really actually done that we can all agree that he has done? "Changing the culture" doesn't count. Glenn changed the culture. Christensen changed the culture. Bohl changing the culture doesn't mean anything. He has 4 wins and got shit on the same way Christensen did by the big teams.

I know that Bohl is building something. Don't try and jump down my throat for not being 100% on board with him. But at Wyo, the coaches are always building for the future. So as of year 1, he is 3 wins and 1 bowl win behind what many on here want to call one of the worst coaches we have ever had.

Craig Bohl's inaugural season almost doesn't even count to me.

His first year was one where it was nothing more than a foundation year - a year to evaluate, recalibrate the program, and then build from there. The guy inherited a dumpster fire with not a single ready to play QB on his roster.

I feel tons better about the future of Wyoming Football in terms of what the zenith of that program can be with Bohl than I do with Shyatt at the helm of Wyoming basketball.

Don't misunderstand me, I am not dumping on Shyatt without acknowledging the positives he's brought to the program...I just wonder if he is the guy to take us to that next crucial step along the way.

 

[wyokoke]

I too am sick of the "he's better than Schroyer" stuff.

I am also sick of the "Bohl is the right guy, but is Shyatt?" stuff.

Shyatt should obviously be outperforming Schroyer. So just because we hit 20 wins with 330+ OOC and in an average conference, doesn't mean we should just THANK GOD IT'S NOT SCHROYER.
Shyatt should be winning 25 here. Shyatt should be competing for MWC titles. Shyatt should be taking us to the NIT and Big Dance on a yearly basis. Not the CBI.

And Bohl? Fuckin' please. 4 wins. 1 of them was gift-wrapped by FAU. The football team sucks. And to think a guy who went 4-8, and everything else about him is just PURE speculation, is better than Shyatt is kind of foolish.
What has Bohl done? Like, really actually done that we can all agree that he has done? "Changing the culture" doesn't count. Glenn changed the culture. Christensen changed the culture. Bohl changing the culture doesn't mean anything. He has 4 wins and got shit on the same way Christensen did by the big teams.

I know that Bohl is building something. Don't try and jump down my throat for not being 100% on board with him. But at Wyo, the coaches are always building for the future. So as of year 1, he is 3 wins and 1 bowl win behind what many on here want to call one of the worst coaches we have ever had.

Craig Bohl's inaugural season almost doesn't even count to me.

His first year was one where it was nothing more than a foundation year - a year to evaluate, recalibrate the program, and then build from there. The guy inherited a dumpster fire with not a single ready to play QB on his roster.

I feel tons better about the future of Wyoming Football in terms of what the zenith of that program can be with Bohl than I do with Shyatt at the helm of Wyoming basketball.

Don't misunderstand me, I am not dumping on Shyatt without acknowledging the positives he's brought to the program...I just wonder if he is the guy to take us to that next crucial step along the way.

I get that, but also if Bohl's first season is a "throwaway", shouldn't Shyatt's be too?

Edit:I see it wasn't you that put the yearly record up, my mistake