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[jcintherock]

Tad Boyle:

What's the number????.....come on just tell Burman what it is so that we can rid ourselves of the joke that is Heath Schroyer.

How 'bout 4 years at 2.4 mil???

We need ya buddy

Seriously

Peace

 

[NowherePoke]

Tad Boyle:

What's the number????.....come on just tell Burman what it is so that we can rid ourselves of the joke that is Heath Schroyer.

How 'bout 4 years at 2.4 mil???

We need ya buddy

Seriously

Peace

You have connections JC, know anyone that has a few hundred grand laying around for the buyout? If so, give them Burman's number would you?

Scratch that...give them Buchanan's number, maybe Heath isn't the only change that needs to be made.....

This makes me physically ill.

 

[gopokes1399]

he cant be worse but not Tad Boyle dude is 22-51 in the Big Sky

 

[NowherePoke]

he cant be worse but not Tad Boyle dude is 22-51 in the Big Sky

You should look closer. I am not necessarily advocating Boyle, but that is very misleading. He took over a terrible program making the transition to D-1. This is what he has done:

Year 1: 4-24, 2 Big Sky Wins
Year 2: 13-16, 6 Big Sky Wins
Year 3: 14-18, 8 Big Sky Wins
Year 4: Currently 13-3, 2-1 in the Big Sky. Should contend with Montana and Weber for the title. Current RPI is 71.

That is amazing progress.

The other thing that is impressive about Boyle is that he was the top Assistant for Turgeon at Wichita St., and that program was/is very similar to Wyoming IMO. They took over WSU when it was at rock bottom. A once proud program (Xavier McDaniel era, etc.) with great fan support that had fallen on hard times. They built that program steadily from 9 wins to 15 to 18 to 21 and finally to 26 and the Sweet 16. I followed the program very closely (I moved to Wichita in 2001 before their 2nd year and left in 2005) and they did a tremendous job rebuilding both the on the court and off the court product. They had some assistance (WSU remodeled Koch arena during that time, top notch facility), but they created a crazy atmosphere for the games there.

They also played in a league (MVC) which is very comparable to the MWC.

A couple of other positives for Boyle:

1. Regional ties - A native of Greeley, he is a natural fit in the area.

2. Price - His contract at UNC is very small (total comp under 150k I believe). If we scratch up the cash to buy out Schroyer we won't be able to make a big money hire, or hire someone with a big buyout on their own. A low to mid level MWC salary (total comp in the 400-500k range) should be sufficient to hire Boyle if he is interested.


There are cons as well:

1. Turning around a program in the Big Sky is a lot different than doing so in the MWC. He has to recruit a higher caliber of player than he has at UNC. This is where I think his WSU experience is beneficial.

2. Took a long time to turn around UNC. Every year got progressively better, but it wasn't earth shattering.

3. Needs to prove he can build a consistent winner.


Having said all that, I have no doubt that Tad Boyle would be a significant upgrade over Heath Schroyer. However, I just spent a whole bunch of time typing about a scenario that has no chance of happening. I just don't see Heath being fired.

 

[jcintherock]

......Tad's team this year could finish in top five in this conference without having a legit D1 kid on the roster. Believe me, the dude can flat out coach. Spend 30 minutes at one of his practices and then head over to Heath's. The difference is disgusting....and yes I've done both in the same day.....twice. He could win here with the same caliber of kids that he's getting in Greeley.

There is nothing about Heath's approach that hints at him being a teacher. He's had three effin years to assemble this team and he acts like the deficiencies have snuck up on him. Idiot.

He proclaimed Djibril as being the new face of the Wyoming program (as well as Sylla being the new face of the MWC).....think about that. He was right though...Djibril is the new face. We have an entire team of some of the worst basketball I.Q. in the history of the game.....and he is the worst.....by far.

New face...................wow. If you had to rate the coaches in this league on "coaching" ability where would you rate Schroyer????

His recruiting philosophy is something like this: If the kid can run and jump but has all the qualities of a misfit toy......he'll take him. That's what we are.....a collection of misfit toys.


Seriously

 

[JimmyDimes]

I know another coach who took a crappy Big Sky team to the Big Sky title in three years. Maybe we don't want to go down that road again.

 

[Aaron]

Ive missed maybe 10 games in the last 15 years and I have never felt this upset over how a Wyoming team is doing. I cant stand listening to Heath squawk at his players on the sidelines anymore. I think this team has potential but not with a coach who obviously doesn't know what it takes to make a team play like a TEAM. If the season continues like this and he doesn't get fired I do believe Wyoming basketball will lose season ticket holders who have had the same 5 seats since my grandpa started getting them in the early 80s :evil:

 

[gopokes1399]

idk where i saw my numbers my bad we need someone

 

[Mayday]

I would love to see Tad Boyle end up in Laramie... couldn't agree more on how his coaching/teaching is night and day from Schroyer. He's doing a great job in Greeley with the limited talent he has...

 

[NowherePoke]

I know another coach who took a crappy Big Sky team to the Big Sky title in three years. Maybe we don't want to go down that road again.

It's a valid point, but the situations were quite a bit different. Heath took over a program that had gone 12-16 (6-8 in the Big Sky) the year before. He only exceeded that number once in his 3 years (his final year they won 19 games and the regular season Big Sky crown).

Boyle took over a program that was just making the transition to D-1 (and was hardly a D-2 power either).

One thing I disagree with JC on is his statement that Boyle could win in Laramie with the same caliber of kids he is getting in Greeley. I don't believe that is the case. However, I think he could recruit a higher caliber of player with the facilities, history, profile, media attention, and conference that UW has to offer.

Having said all of that. Whenever a change is made (whether it is sooner or later), I hope the search goes far beyond Boyle. There are many highly qualified assistants at successful programs that are ready to take over their own program. I am not informed enough to know who they are, but someone out there is.

 

[dapokes]

Tad Boyle would be a HUGE step up from Schroyer. I've seen and heard nothing but good things about Tad Boyle...he was a big reason why Wichita State was so good a few years ago. That family is really cool too. His nephew is a year younger than me...and Tad's brother is one of the coolest dudes around. This guy's personality wouldn't rub the CJC ppl the wrong way at all.

I think after what I've seen this season from Schroyer...his days are numbered.

 

[wyo 1]

I know another coach who took a crappy Big Sky team to the Big Sky title in three years. Maybe we don't want to go down that road again.

It's a valid point, but the situations were quite a bit different. Heath took over a program that had gone 12-16 (6-8 in the Big Sky) the year before. He only exceeded that number once in his 3 years (his final year they won 19 games and the regular season Big Sky crown).

Boyle took over a program that was just making the transition to D-1 (and was hardly a D-2 power either).

One thing I disagree with JC on is his statement that Boyle could win in Laramie with the same caliber of kids he is getting in Greeley. I don't believe that is the case. However, I think he could recruit a higher caliber of player with the facilities, history, profile, media attention, and conference that UW has to offer.

Having said all of that. Whenever a change is made (whether it is sooner or later), I hope the search goes far beyond Boyle. There are many highly qualified assistants at successful programs that are ready to take over their own program. I am not informed enough to know who they are, but someone out there is.

I don't know why you don't think he could compete with the same caliber of kid, UNC has wins over CSU, Air Force, TCU and Denver this year. we have lost to two of those and I'am not confident that we could win the other two, maybe Air Force. They also have win over SDSU within the last couple of years.

 

[NowherePoke]

I know another coach who took a crappy Big Sky team to the Big Sky title in three years. Maybe we don't want to go down that road again.

It's a valid point, but the situations were quite a bit different. Heath took over a program that had gone 12-16 (6-8 in the Big Sky) the year before. He only exceeded that number once in his 3 years (his final year they won 19 games and the regular season Big Sky crown).

Boyle took over a program that was just making the transition to D-1 (and was hardly a D-2 power either).

One thing I disagree with JC on is his statement that Boyle could win in Laramie with the same caliber of kids he is getting in Greeley. I don't believe that is the case. However, I think he could recruit a higher caliber of player with the facilities, history, profile, media attention, and conference that UW has to offer.

Having said all of that. Whenever a change is made (whether it is sooner or later), I hope the search goes far beyond Boyle. There are many highly qualified assistants at successful programs that are ready to take over their own program. I am not informed enough to know who they are, but someone out there is.

I don't know why you don't think he could compete with the same caliber of kid, UNC has wins over CSU, Air Force, TCU and Denver this year. we have lost to two of those and I'am not confident that we could win the other two, maybe Air Force. They also have win over SDSU within the last couple of years.

I guess I should have been clearer in what I meant by "compete". I mean compete in the top half of the league and maybe occasionally contend for a conference crown. With all due respect to guys like Figures and Beitzel, I just don't think that UNC's roster, no matter who the coach is, could consistently compete at the top of the league. Not against guys like Kawhi Leonard, Malcolm Thomas, Jimmer Fredette, Darrington Hobson, etc.

I could be wrong though. The one thing I know is that I wouldn't mind seeing what Boyle could do at UW. I think we should evaluate all options, but I wouldn't be upset at all if Boyle was coaching in Laramie.

 

[wyo 1]

I know another coach who took a crappy Big Sky team to the Big Sky title in three years. Maybe we don't want to go down that road again.

It's a valid point, but the situations were quite a bit different. Heath took over a program that had gone 12-16 (6-8 in the Big Sky) the year before. He only exceeded that number once in his 3 years (his final year they won 19 games and the regular season Big Sky crown).

Boyle took over a program that was just making the transition to D-1 (and was hardly a D-2 power either).

One thing I disagree with JC on is his statement that Boyle could win in Laramie with the same caliber of kids he is getting in Greeley. I don't believe that is the case. However, I think he could recruit a higher caliber of player with the facilities, history, profile, media attention, and conference that UW has to offer.

Having said all of that. Whenever a change is made (whether it is sooner or later), I hope the search goes far beyond Boyle. There are many highly qualified assistants at successful programs that are ready to take over their own program. I am not informed enough to know who they are, but someone out there is.

I don't know why you don't think he could compete with the same caliber of kid, UNC has wins over CSU, Air Force, TCU and Denver this year. we have lost to two of those and I'am not confident that we could win the other two, maybe Air Force. They also have win over SDSU within the last couple of years.

I guess I should have been clearer in what I meant by "compete". I mean compete in the top half of the league and maybe occasionally contend for a conference crown. With all due respect to guys like Figures and Beitzel, I just don't think that UNC's roster, no matter who the coach is, could consistently compete at the top of the league. Not against guys like Kawhi Leonard, Malcolm Thomas, Jimmer Fredette, Darrington Hobson, etc.

I could be wrong though. The one thing I know is that I wouldn't mind seeing what Boyle could do at UW. I think we should evaluate all options, but I wouldn't be upset at all if Boyle was coaching in Laramie.

oh ok, I agree with you. it would be interisting to see how he would do, but like you said, explore ALL options.

 

[NowherePoke]

FWIW, UNC moved to 14-3 with a win over Weber St. They are now tied with Weber and Montana at 3-1 in the Big Sky and have moved their RPI to 62. The win snapped a 15 game conference win streak for Weber.