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DC (Mizzou) v Shyatt (#5 FL)
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BeaverPoke
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Shyatt>DC.
NowherePoke
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BeaverPoke said:
Based on what?
MWC winning percentage:
DC: 42%
Shy: 38% (and likely to go lower)
Basketball gets to schedule a bunch of cupcakes to boost the winning percentage, but what really matters is how you compete against your peers (conference mates) and by any quantitative measure they have both failed at UW. DC has had more time, which obviously makes the comparison a little bit unfair to Shy (plus Shyatt had a nice WAC year for UW back in the 90's, but that is largely irrelevant now).
I feel like Shyatt is a quality game coach that struggles to get players, while DC has the players to compete better than our record indicates.
It's also entirely possible I have no idea what I am talking about.
Subcanis
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Our basketball conference is much stronger than football, so that is really an unfair comparison (esp if you look back at some of our conference FB losses :x...).
I would say, IMHO, DC has underperformed while Shyatt has done... About right. I want, more than anything, for both to kick ass and take names, but I truly feel DC inherited a better program than HS.
I would say, IMHO, DC has underperformed while Shyatt has done... About right. I want, more than anything, for both to kick ass and take names, but I truly feel DC inherited a better program than HS.
BeaverPoke
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Another thing to think about, comparing the 2, is that when DC showed up Glenn left a better program to DC than Schroyer left to Shyatt.
And on top of that, when DC showed up he had a VERY hard MWC schedule, then the last 2 years have been easier.
the equivalent of that would be if UNLV, NM, and SDSU left the hoops conference right now (TCU, BYU, Utah).
Shyatt had NO time to get his first recruiting class considering he was playing in the Final 4 with Florida one week before we hired him.
Since then he has gotten Josh Adams, Derek Cooke, and Keonta Vernon and Trey Washington (those two have not played anything but highschool and AAU ball so it is a bit premature to say Shyatt has succeeded with grabbing those two, but odds are they are going to be pretty good, considering how well they are doing in high school and what they have done).
Anyways... this season is not lost. We can and will 3 more MWC games. Including the MWC Tourney. I think we beat UNLV, and AFA. And 1 game in the MWC Tourney.
Hopefully, we don't lose again. But games we have a chance at....UNLV, AFA, CSU, and the entire MWC Tourney, as crazy as it has been.
The season is not over...winning a few more, making the NIT, or even the CBI will not be a bad thing. As long as we play more than 2 games....
Give the boys a chance, and don't give up. Especially Coach Shyatt.
And on top of that, when DC showed up he had a VERY hard MWC schedule, then the last 2 years have been easier.
the equivalent of that would be if UNLV, NM, and SDSU left the hoops conference right now (TCU, BYU, Utah).
Shyatt had NO time to get his first recruiting class considering he was playing in the Final 4 with Florida one week before we hired him.
Since then he has gotten Josh Adams, Derek Cooke, and Keonta Vernon and Trey Washington (those two have not played anything but highschool and AAU ball so it is a bit premature to say Shyatt has succeeded with grabbing those two, but odds are they are going to be pretty good, considering how well they are doing in high school and what they have done).
Anyways... this season is not lost. We can and will 3 more MWC games. Including the MWC Tourney. I think we beat UNLV, and AFA. And 1 game in the MWC Tourney.
Hopefully, we don't lose again. But games we have a chance at....UNLV, AFA, CSU, and the entire MWC Tourney, as crazy as it has been.
The season is not over...winning a few more, making the NIT, or even the CBI will not be a bad thing. As long as we play more than 2 games....
Give the boys a chance, and don't give up. Especially Coach Shyatt.
fromolwyoming
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How did Glenn leave a better program? He recruited nada his last year, not to mention DC was forced to start a ton of true freshmen and underclassmen 3 years straight. There's a reason for that.BeaverPoke said:
NowherePoke
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BeaverPoke said:
Agree with some parts, disagree with others:
1. Glenn vs. Schroyer - While I like Joe Glenn, his last two years in MWC play were 2-6, 1-7 for a total of 3-13. Schroyer's last two years...3-13, 3-13. Hard to give an advantage either way, but I believe it is easy to turn over a roster in basketball as you only have 13 vs. 85, plus you really only need a core of 4-5 players, while FB requires depth across the board which you have to achieve with annual scholarship limits that basketball no longer faces after the elimination of the 5/8 rule.
2. Agree that DC had a harder schedule early, but he went 4-4 (.500) in his first MWC season. That appears to be a very long way off for Shyatt at this point.
3. You named 4 players out of his first 3 classes. Two of them haven't yet played for UW and the other two are struggling mightily right now.
4. Agree that the season isn't over. NIT is still a possibility. The Boss is a fantastic player and a game changer that can make the Pokes dangerous enough to steal a couple more wins and make the NIT. Need him healthy.
calpoke25
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Regardless of how much of an idiot shroyer may be, there's no doubt he could recruit talent on the bball court and there are some serious questions about the talent level we have going forward. Someone was alluding to a need to target one big time transfer every year and I hope the staff have some connections because this group needs a shot in the arm.
BeaverPoke
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calpoke25 said:
This team does not need a shot in the arm, we need another year of growth. Honestly we are blessed we have another chance at 20 wins this season.
Leonard had a breaking and entering and assault and really, should have been kicked off the team, and Luke, well we all know what happened lets not go there.
Could you imagine if we had a starting lineup of Gilmore Adams Grabau Sobey and Nance?
Remember that Desmar (punkass, I am glad he left) and M'Baye (douchebag, extra glad he left, (you guys don't think he is a doucher but my buddy and I had a run in with him once....blah blah blah long story short he is a douche bag))
Those two were our two best players from the year before.
If Coach Shyatt is anything like Coach Fisher we are on track for a national championship within the next 10 years.
Look at what Fisher did in his first 6 years at sdsu, he sucked. Had one good run in the MWC Tourney in year 3??? to win it all.
Who is to say this team can not do that?
We can win the MWC Tourney this year, but we can also lose the play-in game.
This team is soooo unpredictable.
Remember we are 2 shots away from being 6-6 in MWC play. That is not the same thing I was saying in FB season saying we are one brett smith away from being 9-3 or what ever. Literally 2 shots.
Coach Shyatt took a team that 20 games in 2 years losing its best 2 players to winning 21 in the following season.
And a really good chance at getting 20 wins this year.
I love this team, and I will always continue to love the Pokes.
In the future you guys will still consider me the super optimistic one on this board.
It's sports....it means nothing in the long run, let's cheer the team on like they can and will win?
Please? If not I am going to the OSU Baseball boards... for good.
Nah I'm joking I know you guys couldn't go on without me!
kansasCowboy
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BeaverPoke said:
Shyatt walked into a team that still had talent and three of them bolted. Making it slightly worse, but we still had Washington, Waddell, Luster and Cruze. Martinez was a question mark in Shyatt's first year.
DC didn't inherit ANYTHING! That's why we had 22 freshman playing significant time all year. Not only Significant time, but significant roles-QB, RB, WR, OL, DB, S, LB.
A basketball player can come out of high school and still do average. Even when starting. (Nance last year, Adams this year)
A starting Freshman QB? That's a whole other story, Not only that but a starting Freshman RB right behind him. That just doubles the pain. If you recall this is why most everyone had predicted us pure last and a possible one win team in DC's first year.
OrediggerPoke
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kansasCowboy said:
DC didn't inherit anything?? Yea, only 3 NFL players on defense.
You're so wrong says:
Tashaun Gipson
Chris Prosinski
Mitch Unrein
John Fletcher
Josh Biezuns
Gabe Knapton
Brian Hendricks
Weston Johnson
Shyatt>>>DC
OrediggerPoke
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calpoke25 said:
I agree. Shroyer may be the best recruiter UW has ever had. Outside of that, I wouldn't trust him to mow my grass.
kansasCowboy
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OrediggerPoke said:
Wow Oredigger! Seriously, everyone you listed was a defensive player. Again, hard to win games when you are using an entire freshman backfield . Freshman QB and RB. Not to mention lack of depth and young at WR and OL also had holes to fill.
Again, 22 freshman had significant playing time. Several were starting.
OrediggerPoke
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kansasCowboy said:
That was exactly my point. Apparently went over your head. Glenn recruited MUCH better defensive talent. DC recruits MUCH better skill position talent (QB, WR). As far as results on the field, it has basically been a wash. If the last two years hasn't proven to you that the defensive side of the ball is at least as important, then nothing will.
Once again, IMO, Shyatt>>>DC.
OrediggerPoke
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