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DC gets contract extended through 2014 season.
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fromolwyoming
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A bit soon for it, as I would have waited a few more years. But he did bring in a good recruiting class and won a bowl game in his first year.
This is great news, IMO. His sophomore season will tell a lot of about his coaching aptitude, but if he's successful this season, I'm glad we have him locked up for a while.
Hopefully he grooms up one of the assistants to stay here and coach the team.. otherwise, we'll be starting all over again.
I don't think this contract extension helps UW in any way what-so-ever. Lets say we continue to improve and rise up the national radar...DC will likely jump ship for a bigger coaching gig anyways. If we take a turn for the worse, then we get stuck with a coach who we can't afford to buyout. I've been happy with what Burman has done as AD for the most part, but this makes me wonder if he learned anything from the Schroyer extension at all. These extensions after mediocre seasons can really come back to bite UW if things don't go as planned. I know some of you are going to say this is an entirely different situation because DC is much more of a hot commodity, but $180K isn't going to be enough of an incentive to keep a coach from moving to a big name school if they come calling. Hell, many of those BCS schools will offer DC $180K as a bonus if he wins the home opener against some DII school.
My personal opinion is that Burman is attempting to build a reputation for himself and UW as being a place where coaches get rewarded and have good job security if they perform. Personally, I don't think that is the right approach to take at UW. I'm fine with UW being a stepping-stone school for coaches to build a name for themselves before heading to more storied programs much like Boise State and Utah have done. The fact is that UW will never be able to afford to pay the salaries that bigger programs can and will never have the same prestige associated with it.
My personal opinion is that Burman is attempting to build a reputation for himself and UW as being a place where coaches get rewarded and have good job security if they perform. Personally, I don't think that is the right approach to take at UW. I'm fine with UW being a stepping-stone school for coaches to build a name for themselves before heading to more storied programs much like Boise State and Utah have done. The fact is that UW will never be able to afford to pay the salaries that bigger programs can and will never have the same prestige associated with it.
I don't know about anybody else, but I was impressed with what DC did with the UW football program in the short amount of time he has been here. Our facilities are mostly built and upgraded at this point, maybe we can start paying our coaches a competitive wage now. The people of Wyoming need to really support the team now.
I don't mind the extension if he keeps his base salary. If he continues to improve the program and gets bowl wins does it hurt? I think he will leave with two more bowl wins or with one conf championship so I don't think it will hurt us.
Does anyone know how much DC makes with incentives? I am guessing he makes over 500 k with incentives. Does Dave get any of the Cowboy Joe Money? Would that money be counted towards his overall salary?
Does anyone know how much DC makes with incentives? I am guessing he makes over 500 k with incentives. Does Dave get any of the Cowboy Joe Money? Would that money be counted towards his overall salary?
fromolwyoming
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I would think that each incentive is worth a ifferent amount, like making it to a regular bowl, will give you so much, but making it to a BCS bowl will give you far more.marcuswyo said:
TSpoke
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I think this is a great thing. It shows some commitment from the school and from coach c. One thing that really bothers me about our fanbase is the fogone conclusion and resignation that if a coach has any success here he is going to leave. Might it happen sure. and if DC has enough success here to warrent a big time job and the school can promote within and keep the same system then good luck to him in the future but i think things are starting to change some within college football. Coaches arent automatically running to the jobs in the bcs schools. Just look at wittingham at utah, patterson at tcu, and peterson at boise state. Those coaches have turned down opportunities to leave for "bigger" schools. In my opinion they turned down those opportunities and prob more pay for the security in knowing they wont be fired after one bad season. Even Troy calhoun apparently turned down the tennesee job to stay at AF. The MWC is a conference on the rise and I think coaches see that.
So might DC leave at some point in the future.....maybe but don't just assume it will happen. If dave conntinues success and in a year or two gets us a confernce championship then pay him around what the other big guys in the conference are making and see what happens. Just my :twocents:
So might DC leave at some point in the future.....maybe but don't just assume it will happen. If dave conntinues success and in a year or two gets us a confernce championship then pay him around what the other big guys in the conference are making and see what happens. Just my :twocents:
Bryoming
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This really isn't that big of a deal. It's only a one year extension, and they didn't change the contract at all. All this is doing is showing HCDC that UW is committed to having him there and will reward him for doing well. As for all the talk of UW being a stepping stone school...go f yourself. That's the first thing that comes up on all of these boards the minute we see a glimmer of hope for the football program. Stop being so damn negative. If the program starts winning bowls and conference championships on a regular basis we will be willing to pay a coach to keep the momentum going.
WYO1016 said:
Go fuck myself? Listen, you don't have to agree with everything that I say, but that kind of talk is way out of line. I'd be happy to meet up and throw some fists if thats what you are looking for. Maybe you're bigger than me. Maybe not. Maybe you will beat my ass. Maybe I'll beat your ass. I don't really care. I'm down to suffer a lot a pain on principle alone when somebody talks to me like that. Feel free to send me a message and we can exchange numbers and get this little scuffle planned out.
Now, I'll address the argument in your post. First of all, I don't think UW will ever be able to offer a coach the money that most BCS schools could. In fact, I don't think UW could offer a coach the same compensation that the top teams in our conference could. That isn't a slam on UW...it's just the reality of things. We may be able to offer more money than we currently are if a coach starts consistently winning, but the problem is that it's most likely too little, too late. For example, if DC goes 7-5 and wins another bowl game to finish 8-5 this season, he will be a hot candidate already. Will UW be willing to step up and triple or quadruple his salary after only 2 decent seasons? I would argue not.
calpoke25
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TheRealUW said:
But if we go 8-5, I still don't see him being a hot enough commodity to have big time schools coming after him and that still wouldn't warrant a pay raise of 3x. DC makes more than just 180K, his overall compensation package last year was 600K, with the ability to earn up to 750K in incentives.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2009-coaches-contracts-database.htm
Heck even Urban Meyers BASE salary is only 250K. DC makes similar already to what many low-level BCS schools pay. He only warrants a raise of double or triple his salary if he starts winning conference titles. 8-5 isn't going to warrant that kind of interest.
calpoke25 said:
Base salaries dont' really mean a whole lot. That "other income" category is money that is mostly guaranteed by the university. That is why Urban Meyer was the 3rd highest paid coach in college football last year. Base salaries are rarely where BCS coaches makes the majority of their money. Whenever ESPN talks about contracts, the amount they spout off inlcudes that "other income" because the university is obligated to make sure the coach gets most of that money. The "total income" category is the best indicator of how much a coach makes because that encompasses all the money the coach is guaranteed to make that year. Using that category, DC was the 8th highest paid coach in the MWC last year, ahead of only UNLV. I saw that BYU didn't report, but I think it's fair to assume they pay Bronco better than we do DC. Also, DC was compensated better than only ONE BCS school last year, and that was Washington State.
The fact that you stated DC doesn't deserve a significant increase in his compensation until he starts winning conference championships speaks directly to the point I made earlier. I think your thought process is very much in line with the majority of the Cowboys fan base. Where I think you are mistaken is the fact that you think another winning record with a bowl win won't draw DC interest from big name schools. I'm not saying schools like Michigan or USC would come calling for DC, but I do think a team like Maryland, Arizona State, or Minnesota would be highly interested. Those are all teams whose coach has a legitimate chance of being fired if they don't succeed this year. Maryland is currently paying their coach roughly $1.9 million. Arizona State...$1.5 million. Minnesota...$1.0 million. Now I'm not saying they would start DC off at the same salary, but they could definitely offer him significantly more money than we currently are.
I hope people realize I'm not trying to bash UW. I'm a fan through and through and they are the ONLY college team I will ever cheer for. I'm simply trying to make the point that UW is going to need to be willing to pony up a lot of cash early on if we want to keep a good coach around or another team will. Of course, the downside to that is that if things go south, UW isn't so flush with money that they can afford to buy out an expensive contract. Bigger schools can afford to take that chance because they have a little bit more cash to throw around. It puts UW in a really tough situation, and I think the best approach is to try and keep assistans in line to take over when the head coach leaves. Just my opinion though.
calpoke25
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TheRealUW said:
If he somehow manages to go 8-5 next year, he will certainly start to pop up on the radar for some lower level teams like you mentioned. But I doubt they would make a serious push for him just yet, depending on who our 8 wins are against.
But you are also showing off a classic part of the cowboy fan base with your constant worrying about the coach leaving. Why worry about that right now? He has a tall task ahead of him to get to 8-5 next year, so why worry about that right now? You already made my point for me, UW will never have the kind of cash to throw around that other schools have.
All we can hope for is one of two things, IF and I mean IF it gets to the point where bigger schools are making a serious push at our coach we can offer him as big of raise as we can afford. That coach can either take our generous offer or jump ship for a couple extra hundred thousand. Its up to the coach at that point. Our job is to ensure we have the right infrastructure and replacement if needed.
As a Fan of UW, we just don't have that kind of control, so why worry about it? If the time comes we will make our best offer and then its up to DC to take it or not. You are trying to say that we can take back control by offering him a fat contract up front while he is still unproven, but then later on say that we don't have the money to compete with bigger schools. Well the correct answer is the latter. Even if we offer him a fat contract right now, someone else can always offer bigger.
We will never have the money to offer that bigger schools do, so why tie ourselves down to a yet unproven coach? (Don't get me wrong, I think he is doing an excellent job and is on his way, but he still isn't proven as a HC.) All we can do at Wyoming is make our best offer and hope for the best. But we will never be in a position of control.
Here's what I don't understand. The State of Wyoming is in better shape financially than just about every other state and we only have one 4 year university. Why is it that we are paying our coaches at a level that is 8th in the MWC and our athletic budget is also 8th in the MWC?
If the MWC would become an AQ conference, that would help our athletic budget tremendously. That may never happen and I sure wouldn't want to bet on it happening. :brick:
If the MWC would become an AQ conference, that would help our athletic budget tremendously. That may never happen and I sure wouldn't want to bet on it happening. :brick:
