CSU to Big 12

[djm19]

What I have read doesn't come from fans, but from Big 12 articles I have read. It has BYU all worried here in Utah

 

[J-Rod]

What I have read doesn't come from fans, but from Big 12 articles I have read. It has BYU all worried here in Utah

LOL I know. I'm just saying, give it 6 months. Rams will fall back to being average without Grayson, attendance will return to normal (meaning it goes from bad to horrible), and the flavor of the month will be no more. We literally just did this with Fresno.

Big XII Expansion Speculation! Featuring in the West: BYU, Boise State, and flavor of the month MW team!

Reality is, like fromolwyoming said, if the Big XII expands...they'll expand East.

 

[TSpoke]

IF the big 12 expands andytime soon. CSU will have the best chance out of the MWC to go. They will definately be in any discussion about expansion. However, I think they will go east(if the expand at all) and get Cinci and a florida school(UCF, USF)

 

[J-Rod]

The talk of Oklahoma leaving for the SEC and Texas going to the Pac-12 is suddenly growing. That IMO is more likely than expansion. The "other 6" in the Big XII might be looking for new homes in that case.

...but CSU isn't going anywhere. Terrible program with no fans and an awful market (the Denver connection is exaggerated). Besides, if the motivation is T.V. market, they'll absolutely move East. If they move West at all, it will be to increase the strength of the Big XII. That's the only reason to move West.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

The talk of Oklahoma leaving for the SEC and Texas going to the Pac-12 is suddenly growing. That IMO is more likely than expansion. The "other 6" in the Big XII might be looking for new homes in that case.

...but CSU isn't going anywhere. Terrible program with no fans and an awful market (the Denver connection is exaggerated). Besides, if the motivation is T.V. market, they'll absolutely move East. If they move West at all, it will be to increase the strength of the Big XII. That's the only reason to move West.

I have heard nothing about this and am quite intrigued by it. How does it play out for those remaining? Jump ship to new conference? Form new conference with teams like BYU, CSU, etc.? Why would Texas want to leave for the Pac12?

 

[McPeachy]

The travesty in the entire situation, is that CSewe has primed themselves for a move, while UW has sat idly by and done very little. CSewe (Frank / Graham) really did position the school for this by hiring McElwain / Miles / Eustachy, and paying them at the top of the conference. They also gained a TON of press with the on-campus stadium thing, and whether or not we agree, it certainly aids to talk of realignment. The stadium project got CSewe more press and face-time since damn near anything at that shithole of a school.

The last 10 years at UW, even with the blip MWC tournament championship this past March, have been largely trying to just keep up with our downgraded conference (no TCU, Utah, bWHYu), and failing at even doing just that.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

The travesty in the entire situation, is that CSewe has primed themselves for a move, while UW has sat idly by and done very little. CSewe (Frank / Graham) really did position the school for this by hiring McElwain / Miles / Eustachy, and paying them at the top of the conference. They also gained a TON of press with the on-campus stadium thing, and whether or not we agree, it certainly aids to talk of realignment. The stadium project got CSewe more press and face-time since damn near anything at that shithole of a school.

The last 10 years at UW, even with the blip MWC tournament championship this past March, have been largely trying to just keep up with our downgraded conference (no TCU, Utah, bWHYu), and failing at even doing just that.

I think you undervalue our coaches. I have no argument for the Sheeps stadium. Kudos for them. But the Bohl hiring and Shyatt's pedigree are just as valuable as McElwain and Pukestachy. And our renovated basketball facility is way better and more of a draw than that gymnasium they have down there. AND, the HATC is a bigger draw nationally than anything CSU, BYU, ANYONE can boast about right now. While it will never happen under the current regime, we have just as much a chance of leaving for a P5 than anyone else does if were only looking at off the field attributes.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

While it will never happen under the current regime, we have just as much a chance of leaving for a P5 than anyone else does if were only looking at off the field attributes.

I disagree with this. We have some decent to nice facilities but we don't have a market, no national appeal, small fan base that attends games, no real advertising appeal, and no chance at developing those.

While others' chance is slim at getting a P5 invite, ours is 0.

 

[cali2wyo]

While it will never happen under the current regime, we have just as much a chance of leaving for a P5 than anyone else does if were only looking at off the field attributes.

I disagree with this. We have some decent to nice facilities but we don't have a market, no national appeal, small fan base that attends games, no real advertising appeal, and no chance at developing those.

While others' chance is slim at getting a P5 invite, ours is 0.

Our fan base goes to games?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

The talk of Oklahoma leaving for the SEC and Texas going to the Pac-12 is suddenly growing. That IMO is more likely than expansion. The "other 6" in the Big XII might be looking for new homes in that case.

...but CSU isn't going anywhere. Terrible program with no fans and an awful market (the Denver connection is exaggerated). Besides, if the motivation is T.V. market, they'll absolutely move East. If they move West at all, it will be to increase the strength of the Big XII. That's the only reason to move West.

I have heard nothing about this and am quite intrigued by it. How does it play out for those remaining? Jump ship to new conference? Form new conference with teams like BYU, CSU, etc.? Why would Texas want to leave for the Pac12?

I'm telling you, contraction is most likely. It starts with implosion of the Big 12. The best teams move on and the rest are left in a conference that will become a Gang of 6 member.

You can more easily identify 15 teams in the P5 that don't belong than you can find worthy candidates to add to the P5.

An NFL style elite CFB league would absorb all (or most) revenue associated with CFB and could be split among fewer teams.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

While it will never happen under the current regime, we have just as much a chance of leaving for a P5 than anyone else does if were only looking at off the field attributes.

I disagree with this. We have some decent to nice facilities but we don't have a market, no national appeal, small fan base that attends games, no real advertising appeal, and no chance at developing those.

While others' chance is slim at getting a P5 invite, ours is 0.

Our fan base goes to games?

:lol: Buys tickets?

 

[McPeachy]

The travesty in the entire situation, is that CSewe has primed themselves for a move, while UW has sat idly by and done very little. CSewe (Frank / Graham) really did position the school for this by hiring McElwain / Miles / Eustachy, and paying them at the top of the conference. They also gained a TON of press with the on-campus stadium thing, and whether or not we agree, it certainly aids to talk of realignment. The stadium project got CSewe more press and face-time since damn near anything at that shithole of a school.

The last 10 years at UW, even with the blip MWC tournament championship this past March, have been largely trying to just keep up with our downgraded conference (no TCU, Utah, bWHYu), and failing at even doing just that.

I think you undervalue our coaches. I have no argument for the Sheeps stadium. Kudos for them. But the Bohl hiring and Shyatt's pedigree are just as valuable as McElwain and Pukestachy. And our renovated basketball facility is way better and more of a draw than that gymnasium they have down there. AND, the HATC is a bigger draw nationally than anything CSU, BYU, ANYONE can boast about right now. While it will never happen under the current regime, we have just as much a chance of leaving for a P5 than anyone else does if were only looking at off the field attributes.

I completely did not intend to undervalue our current coaches. I would take Shyatt over Eustachy anyday, without question. I also agree though, that 1/2 of the AA is better than anything in FC. The lower half. And yes, the HATC is a huge draw, but let's see that get done first - as well as the other 1/2 of the AA. The HATC is not getting the press even near what an on campus stadium is getting in Colorado. Hopefully that changes, we'll see.

I think maybe Miles was a notch up from Shyatt a couple years ago. And I know that Miles was heads and shoulders above Heath LOL. McElwain is a notch up on Bohl as it sits right now - and the jury is still out, but I have brown and gold glassed faith it won't be that way in 3 or so years. I don't think we need to bring up who was a better coach between McElwain & Christiansen.

It took McElwain & Miles to make UW move. Remember the "million-dollar" comment? UW has been nothing shy of followers and keepers-up for the past 10 years...which was my primary point. We needed to be (and continue to need to be) the visionary, the buzz, the hype, the leader...not the follower. In our world these days, it is all about the mentions, retweets, blogs, editorials, articles, and likes.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

While it will never happen under the current regime, we have just as much a chance of leaving for a P5 than anyone else does if were only looking at off the field attributes.

I disagree with this. We have some decent to nice facilities but we don't have a market, no national appeal, small fan base that attends games, no real advertising appeal, and no chance at developing those.

While others' chance is slim at getting a P5 invite, ours is 0.

I do not disagree with most of your points. My comment was directed at the poster earlier mentioning coaches and facilities as a reason CSU may have had a shot at moving or realigning. Rereading my post, I didnt do a great job of getting my point across. We do not have the market thats for sure.

Where I do disagree is current and future facilities. If/when the AA gets done, it will be the premiere arena this side of the country. The HATC is going to be a game changer. It will be the best facility of its kind in the country, if not all of North America.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Where I do disagree is current and future facilities. If/when the AA gets done, it will be the premiere arena this side of the country. The HATC is going to be a game changer. It will be the best facility of its kind in the country, if not all of North America.

I do agree and think our facilities are very good for a G5 member and good for college sports in general. I think they can help with recruiting, but the best facilities in all of college sports wouldn't get us P5 invite. The best facilities in all of college football + 40K avg football attendance + multiple 10+ win seasons + a NY6 bowl game win + multiple NCAA appearances + a couple of Sweet 16 runs + ...... still won't get us a P5 invite.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Where I do disagree is current and future facilities. If/when the AA gets done, it will be the premiere arena this side of the country. The HATC is going to be a game changer. It will be the best facility of its kind in the country, if not all of North America.

I do agree and think our facilities are very good for a G5 member and good for college sports in general. I think they can help with recruiting, but the best facilities in all of college sports wouldn't get us P5 invite. The best facilities in all of college football + 40K avg football attendance + multiple 10+ win seasons + a NY6 bowl game win + multiple NCAA appearances + a couple of Sweet 16 runs + ...... still won't get us a P5 invite.

I don't think theres any arguing that. Screw the P5.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Thought this column from a small-town KS sports editor was interesting...

It’s time for the Big 12 to be the Big 12 once again, and after last year’s debacle of seeing TCU and/or Baylor – both sporting only one blemish to its record – getting left out of the first-ever playoff is and should be an embarrassment to the conference. It’s time for a change.

However, Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsey told the Associated Press at the media days: “We have to recruit better. We have to develop better. We have to play better. We have to win the big games when we have a chance to win the big games.”

Will that really help matters? Doubt it.

Why would a recruit want to come play for a Big 12 school when he knows he won’t have an opportunity to play for a national title? Same can be asked about the coaches. As far as the big games are concerned, is there truly a “big game” with no true championship? Even with a new tiebreaker procedure in place, the rest of the nation will see a tie, and things will continue to be status quo until they add two more teams and bring back the championship game.

Until then, it does not bode well for the conference.

There is a simple solution to the matter – add the Colorado State University Rams and the University of Wyoming Cowboys.

http://www.chanute.com/sports/article_e09f159a-2ff5-11e5-9c01-fbf73e24a09f.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Thats kinda crazy he named both schools outright. I would welcome that. Better conference, much better recruits. Bohl's type of football fits the Big 12 too. We would fit well. Lets hope this gains some traction. We do indeed have one of the better rivalries in all of college sports.

 

[laxwyo]

I like that guy

 

[BeaverPoke]

I've always thought that if Wyo or CSU wanted to go P5 it would be the Big12, and if the Big12 wanted to add a couple programs that actually fit geographically, and fit in, and had a real rivalry, Wyo and CSU were the two they should go after.

But, even then it makes like... zero sense. Okay, it makes like the tiniest bit of sense ever. Just a small sliver.

Too bad Wyo and CSU aren't constantly Top 25 teams bringing 30K+ per game talking about expanding stadiums out of NECESSITY. It would actually make a little bit more sense.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I've always thought that if Wyo or CSU wanted to go P5 it would be the Big12, and if the Big12 wanted to add a couple programs that actually fit geographically, and fit in, and had a real rivalry, Wyo and CSU were the two they should go after.

But, even then it makes like... zero sense. Okay, it makes like the tiniest bit of sense ever. Just a small sliver.

Too bad Wyo and CSU aren't constantly Top 25 teams bringing 30K+ per game talking about expanding stadiums out of NECESSITY. It would actually make a little bit more sense.

I think both could make the jump to top 25 teams with a move like this. The recruiting game would be a lot easier thats for sure