Craig Bohl: Simply an illusionist?

[wyokoke]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

 

[BringBackStutzriem]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Thinking about this more, sure there are a few things that raise my eyebrows a little in relation to coaching decisions and play on the field.

However, at the end of the day and to everyone not associated with UW, the view is:

Well Hell…Wyoming might and we say might beat UNLV in that last game of the season but the reality is the Cowboys in Craig Bohl’s second season are looking at…
One…Maybe Two Wins
….which makes us wonder again:
What in the Hell were you thinking Craig Bohl taking the Wyoming job?

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And that is probably the most fair assessment of this situation.

 

[wyokoke]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

 

[BringBackStutzriem]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

"Sent players to the pros" doesn't reflect the fact that Glenn was the guy who was responsible for the Gipsons, Unrein, Pro, and that entire defense minus Shamiel Gary. The basic numbers you're citing are deceptive. You need to look at the actual quality of teams and programs Glenn beat vs. Christensen. Also, keep in mind that Christensen's final couple of seasons were spent coaching in a pseudo-watered down Mountain West that didn't include BYU or Utah (and, for the final two, TCU). Finally, some of the margin of defeat in those 2005-2007 seasons: yes, there were a few dismal blowout losses, but there were several nail biters against good teams that cost UW potential bowl bids in all three of those campaigns.

Glenn wasn't a great coach, but luck was rarely on his side with untimely/inexplicable turnovers and injuries. Christensen was simply a really bad coach.

 

[wyokoke]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

"Sent players to the pros" doesn't reflect the fact that Glenn was the guy who was responsible for the Gipsons, Unrein, Pro, and that entire defense minus Shamiel Gary. The basic numbers you're citing are deceptive. You need to look at the actual quality of teams and programs Glenn beat vs. Christensen. Also, keep in mind that Christensen's final couple of seasons were spent coaching in a pseudo-watered down Mountain West that didn't include BYU or Utah (and, for the final two, TCU). Finally, some of the margin of defeat in those 2005-2007 seasons: yes, there were a few dismal blowout losses, but there were several nail biters against good teams that cost UW potential bowl bids in all three of those campaigns.

Glenn wasn't a great coach, but luck was rarely on his side with untimely/inexplicable turnovers and injuries. Christensen was simply a really bad coach.

Yes, Dave was a really bad coach. And still our best since Tiller.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

"Sent players to the pros" doesn't reflect the fact that Glenn was the guy who was responsible for the Gipsons, Unrein, Pro, and that entire defense minus Shamiel Gary. The basic numbers you're citing are deceptive. You need to look at the actual quality of teams and programs Glenn beat vs. Christensen. Also, keep in mind that Christensen's final couple of seasons were spent coaching in a pseudo-watered down Mountain West that didn't include BYU or Utah (and, for the final two, TCU). Finally, some of the margin of defeat in those 2005-2007 seasons: yes, there were a few dismal blowout losses, but there were several nail biters against good teams that cost UW potential bowl bids in all three of those campaigns.

Glenn wasn't a great coach, but luck was rarely on his side with untimely/inexplicable turnovers and injuries. Christensen was simply a really bad coach.

Yes, Dave was a really bad coach. And still our best since Tiller.

He was probably the best since 2000. Dimel was a better coach based on record. Unfortunately, that was during a time when a team had to earn a bowl birth. DC got to bowls with Glenn's recruits aside from his two great QB pickups....ACS and Brett.

 

[wyokoke]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

"Sent players to the pros" doesn't reflect the fact that Glenn was the guy who was responsible for the Gipsons, Unrein, Pro, and that entire defense minus Shamiel Gary. The basic numbers you're citing are deceptive. You need to look at the actual quality of teams and programs Glenn beat vs. Christensen. Also, keep in mind that Christensen's final couple of seasons were spent coaching in a pseudo-watered down Mountain West that didn't include BYU or Utah (and, for the final two, TCU). Finally, some of the margin of defeat in those 2005-2007 seasons: yes, there were a few dismal blowout losses, but there were several nail biters against good teams that cost UW potential bowl bids in all three of those campaigns.

Glenn wasn't a great coach, but luck was rarely on his side with untimely/inexplicable turnovers and injuries. Christensen was simply a really bad coach.

Yes, Dave was a really bad coach. And still our best since Tiller.

He was probably the best since 2000. Dimel was a better coach based on record. Unfortunately, that was during a time when a team had to earn a bowl birth. DC got to bowls with Glenn's recruits aside from his two great QB pickups....ACS and Brett.

Saying Dimel is fair. But I'll add, without DCs qb, we don't get that bowl win with Glenn's guys. ACS won us probably 3 games that year.

 

[alyssa]

Some of you posters need to go to the Wyoming athletics website and pull up the depth chart. You will not find a younger roster in the country right now.

One of the other teams I follow is younger (starters only) than Wyoming on offense with a first year coach. The team has scored 134 points in 4 games to Wyoming's 84 and has a 1-3 record to Wyoming's 0-4. They have also played 2 top 5 teams and a top 10 FCS team. The defense is a big whole so not helping out.

Their defense is only a little more experienced than Wyoming's but so bad.
The special teams is only a little more experienced than Wyoming's.

 

[cowboyz]

So back to the main architect over at The War.

So for those of you ready to already (after 16 games!) label Craig Bohl a bust, I ask you, was his success at NDSU, and his highly thought of coaching pedigree from most within the CFB industry, has his previous success had to do with nothing more than smoke and mirrors? Explain for me please, if you can, his monstrous success at NDSU winning THREE (3) straight championships and an overall record of 108-44 in 11 seasons in Fargo.

You mean he knew what kinds of players to recruit in Fargo - but in Laramie he is out of his element? All of a sudden Craig Bohl has turned stupid?

Please elaborate and tell me how and where Craig Bohl lost his fastball...in 16 football games to date.

It took him 9 years to win that first Championship, so maybe he's on a slow burn towards that goal. The part I don't get is not "why can't he win in the FBS if won in the FCS", but the fact that he was 7-3 vs. FBS teams, with his FCS teams, and some of them were pretty good teams from good conferences. He's proven he can win at the FBS level, with a better winning percentage than most FBS coaches ever achieve. Yet here he is with an FBS program and shooting blanks. Maybe he is truly on a 5 year plan to flush out the old guard and end up with the team he needs, and not chasing bonuses to make bowl games. Then again, maybe he hasn't a clue. My guess is that it's somewhere in the middle, and I hope closer to the 5 year plan.

 

[BringBackStutzriem]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

"Sent players to the pros" doesn't reflect the fact that Glenn was the guy who was responsible for the Gipsons, Unrein, Pro, and that entire defense minus Shamiel Gary. The basic numbers you're citing are deceptive. You need to look at the actual quality of teams and programs Glenn beat vs. Christensen. Also, keep in mind that Christensen's final couple of seasons were spent coaching in a pseudo-watered down Mountain West that didn't include BYU or Utah (and, for the final two, TCU). Finally, some of the margin of defeat in those 2005-2007 seasons: yes, there were a few dismal blowout losses, but there were several nail biters against good teams that cost UW potential bowl bids in all three of those campaigns.

Glenn wasn't a great coach, but luck was rarely on his side with untimely/inexplicable turnovers and injuries. Christensen was simply a really bad coach.

Yes, Dave was a really bad coach. And still our best since Tiller.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

Coach A beat:
-Virginia
-TCU
-Tennessee
-UCLA
-Ole Miss
-BYU
-Utah

And had a 7-point loss to the eventual undefeated Fiesta Bowl champion (Boise State).

Coach B beat:
-Fresno State

And had a 31-point loss to the eventual #2 team in the country (Texas) where Wyoming led at one point late in the first half.

As far as caliber of teams, the overall state of the product, etc., you couldn't convince me that we were closer to turning the corner with DC than with Glenn. Glenn twice had us on the verge - in 2005 and 2007 - and it all went sour on a series of inexplicable plays and some genuinely bad luck. Keep in mind that the New Mexico Glenn couldn't get past was a MUCH different animal than the doormat Christensen walked over every year...oh, wait, he lost to a winless Lobo team in 2010.

Even in the down times, we had something pretty memorable to celebrate in each of Glenn's seasons.

2003: Probably the final time Wyoming ever defeated BYU and CSU in the same season

2004: The first bowl win in decades, and a win over a UCLA team from a Big-5 conference (those are few-and-far between, and Glenn got most of them) that had several lasting NFL players.

2005: A 4-1 start and perhaps the last true "big-time" game at War Memorial Stadium (vs. TCU). Oh, and a series-sweep of an SEC opponent.

2006: The best overall Wyoming team of the 21st century. The heartbreaking losses definitely put a damper because we were left wondering what could have been, but no one will soon forget looking at a scoreboard that read "Wyoming 31, Utah 0" over a Utah team that finished with a winning record. Keep in mind we've beaten a total of 10 FBS/Division I teams since 2000 that had winning records. This was the second-most impressive. Oh, and there was the blanking of CSU. And the near-upset of Boise.

2007: Another promising campaign that tailspun into catastrophe, but it still featured two better wins than any that DC ever recorded as head coach. Glenn's 23-3 masterpiece over eventual 9-4 Virginia is still, by miles, the best win Wyoming has recorded this century. And there was also, perhaps, Wyoming's final win ever over TCU.

2008: Yes, it was a dismal, rotten, no-good season. But it still featured this.

And, as far as I'm concerned, it's still the most memorable/stunning image of Wyoming football in the 2000's. It doesn't matter how bad Tennessee was that season...Wyoming beat a Fulmer-coached Vols team in Neyland Stadium, and it happened under Glenn. DC never had a win that remotely rivaled it.

 

[wyokoke]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

"Sent players to the pros" doesn't reflect the fact that Glenn was the guy who was responsible for the Gipsons, Unrein, Pro, and that entire defense minus Shamiel Gary. The basic numbers you're citing are deceptive. You need to look at the actual quality of teams and programs Glenn beat vs. Christensen. Also, keep in mind that Christensen's final couple of seasons were spent coaching in a pseudo-watered down Mountain West that didn't include BYU or Utah (and, for the final two, TCU). Finally, some of the margin of defeat in those 2005-2007 seasons: yes, there were a few dismal blowout losses, but there were several nail biters against good teams that cost UW potential bowl bids in all three of those campaigns.

Glenn wasn't a great coach, but luck was rarely on his side with untimely/inexplicable turnovers and injuries. Christensen was simply a really bad coach.

Yes, Dave was a really bad coach. And still our best since Tiller.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

Coach A beat:
-Virginia
-TCU
-Tennessee
-UCLA
-Ole Miss
-BYU
-Utah

And had a 7-point loss to the eventual undefeated Fiesta Bowl champion (Boise State).

Coach B beat:
-Fresno State

And had a 31-point loss to the eventual #2 team in the country (Texas) where Wyoming led at one point late in the first half.

As far as caliber of teams, the overall state of the product, etc., you couldn't convince me that we were closer to turning the corner with DC than with Glenn. Glenn twice had us on the verge - in 2005 and 2007 - and it all went sour on a series of inexplicable plays and some genuinely bad luck. Keep in mind that the New Mexico Glenn couldn't get past was a MUCH different animal than the doormat Christensen walked over every year...oh, wait, he lost to a winless Lobo team in 2010.

Even in the down times, we had something pretty memorable to celebrate in each of Glenn's seasons.

2003: Probably the final time Wyoming ever defeated BYU and CSU in the same season

2004: The first bowl win in decades, and a win over a UCLA team from a Big-5 conference (those are few-and-far between, and Glenn got most of them) that had several lasting NFL players.

2005: A 4-1 start and perhaps the last true "big-time" game at War Memorial Stadium (vs. TCU). Oh, and a series-sweep of an SEC opponent.

2006: The best overall Wyoming team of the 21st century. The heartbreaking losses definitely put a damper because we were left wondering what could have been, but no one will soon forget looking at a scoreboard that read "Wyoming 31, Utah 0" over a Utah team that finished with a winning record. Keep in mind we've beaten a total of 10 FBS/Division I teams since 2000 that had winning records. This was the second-most impressive. Oh, and there was the blanking of CSU. And the near-upset of Boise.

2007: Another promising campaign that tailspun into catastrophe, but it still featured two better wins than any that DC ever recorded as head coach. Glenn's 23-3 masterpiece over eventual 9-4 Virginia is still, by miles, the best win Wyoming has recorded this century. And there was also, perhaps, Wyoming's final win ever over TCU.

2008: Yes, it was a dismal, rotten, no-good season. But it still featured this.

And, as far as I'm concerned, it's still the most memorable/stunning image of Wyoming football in the 2000's. It doesn't matter how bad Tennessee was that season...Wyoming beat a Fulmer-coached Vols team in Neyland Stadium, and it happened under Glenn. DC never had a win that remotely rivaled it.

That's fair. And despite arguing this, I like the hell out of Joe, and really couldn't stand Dave. But, Dave had better results, its that simple. And yes, one of the bowls was with a lot of Glenn's players, but Glenn doesn't win that or even get to that bowl. Cause Glenn doesn't bring in ACS.

 

[BringBackStutzriem]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

"Sent players to the pros" doesn't reflect the fact that Glenn was the guy who was responsible for the Gipsons, Unrein, Pro, and that entire defense minus Shamiel Gary. The basic numbers you're citing are deceptive. You need to look at the actual quality of teams and programs Glenn beat vs. Christensen. Also, keep in mind that Christensen's final couple of seasons were spent coaching in a pseudo-watered down Mountain West that didn't include BYU or Utah (and, for the final two, TCU). Finally, some of the margin of defeat in those 2005-2007 seasons: yes, there were a few dismal blowout losses, but there were several nail biters against good teams that cost UW potential bowl bids in all three of those campaigns.

Glenn wasn't a great coach, but luck was rarely on his side with untimely/inexplicable turnovers and injuries. Christensen was simply a really bad coach.

Yes, Dave was a really bad coach. And still our best since Tiller.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

Coach A beat:
-Virginia
-TCU
-Tennessee
-UCLA
-Ole Miss
-BYU
-Utah

And had a 7-point loss to the eventual undefeated Fiesta Bowl champion (Boise State).

Coach B beat:
-Fresno State

And had a 31-point loss to the eventual #2 team in the country (Texas) where Wyoming led at one point late in the first half.

As far as caliber of teams, the overall state of the product, etc., you couldn't convince me that we were closer to turning the corner with DC than with Glenn. Glenn twice had us on the verge - in 2005 and 2007 - and it all went sour on a series of inexplicable plays and some genuinely bad luck. Keep in mind that the New Mexico Glenn couldn't get past was a MUCH different animal than the doormat Christensen walked over every year...oh, wait, he lost to a winless Lobo team in 2010.

Even in the down times, we had something pretty memorable to celebrate in each of Glenn's seasons.

2003: Probably the final time Wyoming ever defeated BYU and CSU in the same season

2004: The first bowl win in decades, and a win over a UCLA team from a Big-5 conference (those are few-and-far between, and Glenn got most of them) that had several lasting NFL players.

2005: A 4-1 start and perhaps the last true "big-time" game at War Memorial Stadium (vs. TCU). Oh, and a series-sweep of an SEC opponent.

2006: The best overall Wyoming team of the 21st century. The heartbreaking losses definitely put a damper because we were left wondering what could have been, but no one will soon forget looking at a scoreboard that read "Wyoming 31, Utah 0" over a Utah team that finished with a winning record. Keep in mind we've beaten a total of 10 FBS/Division I teams since 2000 that had winning records. This was the second-most impressive. Oh, and there was the blanking of CSU. And the near-upset of Boise.

2007: Another promising campaign that tailspun into catastrophe, but it still featured two better wins than any that DC ever recorded as head coach. Glenn's 23-3 masterpiece over eventual 9-4 Virginia is still, by miles, the best win Wyoming has recorded this century. And there was also, perhaps, Wyoming's final win ever over TCU.

2008: Yes, it was a dismal, rotten, no-good season. But it still featured this.

And, as far as I'm concerned, it's still the most memorable/stunning image of Wyoming football in the 2000's. It doesn't matter how bad Tennessee was that season...Wyoming beat a Fulmer-coached Vols team in Neyland Stadium, and it happened under Glenn. DC never had a win that remotely rivaled it.

That's fair. And despite arguing this, I like the hell out of Joe, and really couldn't stand Dave. But, Dave had better results, its that simple. And yes, one of the bowls was with a lot of Glenn's players, but Glenn doesn't win that or even get to that bowl. Cause Glenn doesn't bring in ACS.

I hear where you're coming from. Like I said, I think we can agree to disagree. Appreciate the diplomatic response. The sad reality is that neither one of them quite ended up being what we wished they could have been. Hopefully we get there someday.

 

[wyokoke]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

"Sent players to the pros" doesn't reflect the fact that Glenn was the guy who was responsible for the Gipsons, Unrein, Pro, and that entire defense minus Shamiel Gary. The basic numbers you're citing are deceptive. You need to look at the actual quality of teams and programs Glenn beat vs. Christensen. Also, keep in mind that Christensen's final couple of seasons were spent coaching in a pseudo-watered down Mountain West that didn't include BYU or Utah (and, for the final two, TCU). Finally, some of the margin of defeat in those 2005-2007 seasons: yes, there were a few dismal blowout losses, but there were several nail biters against good teams that cost UW potential bowl bids in all three of those campaigns.

Glenn wasn't a great coach, but luck was rarely on his side with untimely/inexplicable turnovers and injuries. Christensen was simply a really bad coach.

Yes, Dave was a really bad coach. And still our best since Tiller.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

Coach A beat:
-Virginia
-TCU
-Tennessee
-UCLA
-Ole Miss
-BYU
-Utah

And had a 7-point loss to the eventual undefeated Fiesta Bowl champion (Boise State).

Coach B beat:
-Fresno State

And had a 31-point loss to the eventual #2 team in the country (Texas) where Wyoming led at one point late in the first half.

As far as caliber of teams, the overall state of the product, etc., you couldn't convince me that we were closer to turning the corner with DC than with Glenn. Glenn twice had us on the verge - in 2005 and 2007 - and it all went sour on a series of inexplicable plays and some genuinely bad luck. Keep in mind that the New Mexico Glenn couldn't get past was a MUCH different animal than the doormat Christensen walked over every year...oh, wait, he lost to a winless Lobo team in 2010.

Even in the down times, we had something pretty memorable to celebrate in each of Glenn's seasons.

2003: Probably the final time Wyoming ever defeated BYU and CSU in the same season

2004: The first bowl win in decades, and a win over a UCLA team from a Big-5 conference (those are few-and-far between, and Glenn got most of them) that had several lasting NFL players.

2005: A 4-1 start and perhaps the last true "big-time" game at War Memorial Stadium (vs. TCU). Oh, and a series-sweep of an SEC opponent.

2006: The best overall Wyoming team of the 21st century. The heartbreaking losses definitely put a damper because we were left wondering what could have been, but no one will soon forget looking at a scoreboard that read "Wyoming 31, Utah 0" over a Utah team that finished with a winning record. Keep in mind we've beaten a total of 10 FBS/Division I teams since 2000 that had winning records. This was the second-most impressive. Oh, and there was the blanking of CSU. And the near-upset of Boise.

2007: Another promising campaign that tailspun into catastrophe, but it still featured two better wins than any that DC ever recorded as head coach. Glenn's 23-3 masterpiece over eventual 9-4 Virginia is still, by miles, the best win Wyoming has recorded this century. And there was also, perhaps, Wyoming's final win ever over TCU.

2008: Yes, it was a dismal, rotten, no-good season. But it still featured this.

And, as far as I'm concerned, it's still the most memorable/stunning image of Wyoming football in the 2000's. It doesn't matter how bad Tennessee was that season...Wyoming beat a Fulmer-coached Vols team in Neyland Stadium, and it happened under Glenn. DC never had a win that remotely rivaled it.

That's fair. And despite arguing this, I like the hell out of Joe, and really couldn't stand Dave. But, Dave had better results, its that simple. And yes, one of the bowls was with a lot of Glenn's players, but Glenn doesn't win that or even get to that bowl. Cause Glenn doesn't bring in ACS.

I hear where you're coming from. Like I said, I think we can agree to disagree. Appreciate the diplomatic response. The sad reality is that neither one of them quite ended up being what we wished they could have been. Hopefully we get there someday.

Whats REALLY sad is that we're debating which coach with win percentage around 43% is the best of this century, and calling a 6-6 team the best of the last 15 years.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

If Glenn hired Stitt, things would be much different now.

 

[wyokoke]

If Glenn hired Stitt, things would be much different now.

Was there ever anything behind this, or are you just saying that cause-well Stitt is a badass? Just curious if there was some connection I didn't know about. Also, the same could be said for if Christensen hired someone like Breske, no?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

If Glenn hired Stitt, things would be much different now.

Was there ever anything behind this, or are you just saying that cause-well Stitt is a badass? Just curious if there was some connection I didn't know about. Also, the same could be said for if Christensen hired someone like Breske, no?

I don't think Stitt was ever on Glenn's radar but who knows. Personally, that is one thing I like about UNLV's high school coach. He wasn't tied to anyone and went out and got himself a top notch staff. I think that might be why some fcs coaches fail at the fbs level. They bring along fcs staff rather than seeking out the best staff available.

WYO and UNLV will be interesting to watch. Two programs in futility. 1 hires FCS champ who brings his guys. 1 hires high school coach who seeks out seasoned staff. Both historically bad with deep rooted problems. Who (if either) rises up from the cellar.

 

[wyokoke]

If Glenn hired Stitt, things would be much different now.

Was there ever anything behind this, or are you just saying that cause-well Stitt is a badass? Just curious if there was some connection I didn't know about. Also, the same could be said for if Christensen hired someone like Breske, no?

I don't think Stitt was ever on Glenn's radar but who knows. Personally, that is one thing I like about UNLV's high school coach. He wasn't tied to anyone and went out and got himself a top notch staff. I think that might be why some fcs coaches fail at the fbs level. They bring along fcs staff rather than seeking out the best staff available.

WYO and UNLV will be interesting to watch. Two programs in futility. 1 hires FCS champ who brings his guys. 1 hires high school coach who seeks out seasoned staff. Both historically bad with deep rooted problems. Who (if either) rises up from the cellar.

I agree, it'll be interesting. I hate to say it but Sanchez looks better than Bohl did 1/3 of a season in IMO. We'll see what happens

 

[kansasCowboy]

If Glenn hired Stitt, things would be much different now.

Was there ever anything behind this, or are you just saying that cause-well Stitt is a badass? Just curious if there was some connection I didn't know about. Also, the same could be said for if Christensen hired someone like Breske, no?

I know Stitt is good, and sports a great Offense, but what is he doing in year one with FCS power Montana?

 

[wyokoke]

If Glenn hired Stitt, things would be much different now.

Was there ever anything behind this, or are you just saying that cause-well Stitt is a badass? Just curious if there was some connection I didn't know about. Also, the same could be said for if Christensen hired someone like Breske, no?

I know Stitt is good, and sports a great Offense, but what is he doing in year one with FCS power Montana?

Is that a rhetorical or an actual question? Cause I have no clue, I saw them beat NDSU, and thought they looked good, and thought that offense was fun to watch week 1 but haven't checked on them since