Craig Bohl: Simply an illusionist?

[Yabadabadoo]

I don't concur in the least that a winless season or a 1-11 campaign to be the ultimate black cloud that would set the program back to the abyss in which we could never recover. This nonsense being perpetuated is laughable. There is opportunity at The War, and the inspiration to become part of a group that turns the tide. Bohl will keep recruiting the Wyoming profile player - and we shall rise. Oh, how we shall rise.

 

[Brew_Poke]

I don't concur in the least that a winless season or a 1-11 campaign to be the ultimate black cloud that would set the program back to the abyss in which we could never recover. This nonsense being perpetuated is laughable. There is opportunity at The War, and the inspiration to become part of a group that turns the tide. Bohl will keep recruiting the Wyoming profile player - and we shall rise. Oh, how we shall rise.

Dude, it's been 15 years of this shit. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining, lol. Feel free to really and truly believe 'next year's the year,' but don't expect the rest of we jaded fuckers to join you.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

I don't concur in the least that a winless season or a 1-11 campaign to be the ultimate black cloud that would set the program back to the abyss in which we could never recover. This nonsense being perpetuated is laughable. There is opportunity at The War, and the inspiration to become part of a group that turns the tide. Bohl will keep recruiting the Wyoming profile player - and we shall rise. Oh, how we shall rise.

Dude, it's been 15 years of this shit. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining, lol. Feel free to really and truly believe 'next year's the year,' but don't expect the rest of we jaded fuckers to join you.

You and the rest of the 'jaded fuckers' will be going football orgasmic when all is said and done. I guarantee it.

 

[wyokoke]

Yeah it's gonna be great when he is the second coming...of Joe Glenn

 

[Yabadabadoo]

Yeah it's gonna be great when he is the second coming...of Joe Glenn

Didn't you hear? Joe Glenn never found a quarterback.

 

[wyokoke]

Yeah it's gonna be great when he is the second coming...of Joe Glenn

Didn't you hear? Joe Glenn never found a quarterback.

He also was a D2 champion who came here, underwhelmed, and never really turned the corner. And never had a team this bad

 

[JimmyDimes]

Yeah it's gonna be great when he is the second coming...of Joe Glenn

Didn't you hear? Joe Glenn never found a quarterback.

He also was a D2 champion who came here, underwhelmed, and never really turned the corner. And never had a team this bad

A poster has pointed out Joe Glenn inherited a team full of upperclassmen. I can count 4 or 5 seniors who contribute. Joe also had 5 years to prove he wasn't the man. Bohl is being ripped a new one just 4 games into his 2nd season playing up to 5 seniors who contribute. And the juniors who contribute are mostly playing out of position (linebackers). Frustrating for all of us, but understandable for only a few.

 

[WyoBrandX]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

 

[wyokoke]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

 

[WyoBrandX]

I don't really see it that way. They had similar records. Glenn had the better wins. Hell, at least we could say we were holding our own OOC with Glenn around.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to tell me how Bohl did what he did at NDSU, and when he became so stuppid over the first 16 games?

 

[wyokoke]

I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to tell me how Bohl did what he did at NDSU, and when he became so stuppid over the first 16 games?

And conveniently ignoring this?

So back to the main architect over at The War.

So for those of you ready to already (after 16 games!) label Craig Bohl a bust, I ask you, was his success at NDSU, and his highly thought of coaching pedigree from most within the CFB industry, has his previous success had to do with nothing more than smoke and mirrors? Explain for me please, if you can, his monstrous success at NDSU winning THREE (3) straight championships and an overall record of 108-44 in 11 seasons in Fargo.

You mean he knew what kinds of players to recruit in Fargo - but in Laramie he is out of his element? All of a sudden Craig Bohl has turned stupid?

Please elaborate and tell me how and where Craig Bohl lost his fastball...in 16 football games to date.

Or maybe he was beating up on the Little Sisters of the Poor in FCS, same as Joe Glenn, and can't get it done in FBS?

 

[joshvanklomp]

Or maybe he was beating up on the Little Sisters of the Poor in FCS, same as Joe Glenn, and can't get it done in FBS?

When did Kansas State change its name?

 

[Yabadabadoo]

I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to tell me how Bohl did what he did at NDSU, and when he became so stuppid over the first 16 games?

And conveniently ignoring this?

So back to the main architect over at The War.

So for those of you ready to already (after 16 games!) label Craig Bohl a bust, I ask you, was his success at NDSU, and his highly thought of coaching pedigree from most within the CFB industry, has his previous success had to do with nothing more than smoke and mirrors? Explain for me please, if you can, his monstrous success at NDSU winning THREE (3) straight championships and an overall record of 108-44 in 11 seasons in Fargo.

You mean he knew what kinds of players to recruit in Fargo - but in Laramie he is out of his element? All of a sudden Craig Bohl has turned stupid?

Please elaborate and tell me how and where Craig Bohl lost his fastball...in 16 football games to date.

Or maybe he was beating up on the Little Sisters of the Poor in FCS, same as Joe Glenn, and can't get it done in FBS?

That's a suggestion, I'm looking for declarative and no doubt about it statements.

 

[wyokoke]

Okay, because he's not cut out for D1 ball.

 

[PokeTransplant]

I don't concur in the least that a winless season or a 1-11 campaign to be the ultimate black cloud that would set the program back to the abyss in which we could never recover. This nonsense being perpetuated is laughable. There is opportunity at The War, and the inspiration to become part of a group that turns the tide. Bohl will keep recruiting the Wyoming profile player - and we shall rise. Oh, how we shall rise.

Dude, it's been 15 years of this shit. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining, lol. Feel free to really and truly believe 'next year's the year,' but don't expect the rest of we jaded fuckers to join you.

John,

Right there with you, for the most part. We have been hearing the same excuses for years as to why Wyoming football is incapable of turning the corner.

1. AD sucks.
2. Lack of funding.
3. Can't recruit to Wyoming.
4. Lack of fan support.
etc.
etc.
etc.

Some on this board are concerned with the scorched earth policy that the current regime is implementing. I kind of take a different look at it. I am not concerned with instant gratification (even after 15+ years of disappointment), I want a coach to come in, not blow smoke up our asses, and build this program the way any successful program should be built. I really do believe that this is happening at this moment as we prognosticate on our beloved message board.

I honestly believe that Bohl is the right man for this job. I am not convinced that he has the right people around him. But, from what I can see, Craig Bohl is doing things the right way. I am encouraged by the type of recruits we are bringing in. Previous regimes were looking at stars from big name high schools...the current staff is finding those huge fish in the little ponds throughout the Midwest that have talent and ability, but are disregarded because some geek behind a computer doesn't deem them worthy.

I am not ready to bail off of the Bohl wagon just yet.

It will get better. This is being done the way it should have been done a long time ago...

 

[BringBackStutzriem]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

 

[WyoBrandX]

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Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

Yep - I lost track of why you were posting - or why i was posting. It sucks to hang on too but Glenn won several games that we shouldn't have. He lost quite a few games that we shouldn't have either. Hell, some of this was his recruiting abilities (maybe call it coaching abilities). He represented the state well.

I liked DC's offense - it really clicked well at times. But it certainly studdered. At the end of it, he brought a good wide receiving corps to wyoming, a decent running back or two, and some good quarterbacks.

Anything he did on the o-line or d-line was pretty weak. Anything he did with the linebackers, safeties, ends, it didn't matter to him. DC cared about offense.

I really hate to burn another year - I do. But I damn sure think Bohl might do it here. He's looking for 100 different guys than DC did. Lets hope finds the guys that like to knock the crap out each other!

 

[kansasCowboy]

I don't get people getting so excited over a few young guys contributing and equating that to being a badass recruiter. Christensen had just as many, if not more, young guys stepping up and contributing year after year. Yet somehow his horrible recruiting is to blame for this mess?

A FEW????

Almost our whole team out there is young recruits!

Pownell-leads the team in tackles in game one!

Epps- teams only int

Wingard- LEADS the team in tackles overall

Hill- leads the team in rushing

TWO STARTING TRUE FRESHMAN OLINE!
ONE STARTING OLINE SOPH who has been starting since 3/4 way through his Frosh year

Granderson- getting significant time on DLine

Kamana- significant defender

Preister- probably our best CB

Makranski- good in open field tackles

Parker, Price, Murphy, Tapscott, Harshman Mayfield have all gotten time and 4 of them have even scored in their careers already.

We're only 4 weeks in and have seen over 21 true frosh or RS frosh playing

The only reason you say they aren't good recruits is because we haven't won yet. But we in the same breath can admit that they are young and undersized.

No...

We have some of our better recruits in a long time.

By the way it wasn't DC's horrid recruiting to blame for this it was his killing off of our Defense five years ago.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

First, I do not think Bohl is an illusionist. I still think he can get this done. However, as I said, I've transitioned from I know he is the right guy to I think he is the right guy.

My main criticisms are 1) He and the staff came in with a little too much blowhard, IMO. It is extremely obvious that his "system" will not instill "Cowboy Tough--whatever the hell that is"; it will need to be recruited. Another approach would have been to try to install his system over time but work with the talent he had (rather than blow up the program). Methinks that Brett knew what was about to happen and just got the hell out. I get Bohl's approach of his way or the highway. His system or hit the bricks. Tear it completely apart and have nobody around that doesn't exactly fit his ideas. However, I think BSU does the best job in the country at adapting to the players they have. An example of forcing an ideal vs. adapting to what you have is DC and the 4-3. It wasn't long and he was back to the 3-4.

2) We were terribly under prepared for that opener and for the UNM game. The T2 requires good reads, strict discipline, etc. None of those are qualities of a young defense. Instead of this hard-headed T2 or bust philosophy, why not install an easier version of the 4-3 for the young guys? Maybe a few different looks that lets them play more and worry less about their zone? Regardless, the obvious lack of preparation is concerning to me.

3) The undisciplined play. You can be young and disciplined. Youth does not excuse the abundance of stupid penalties. I was hoping for a well-coached and well disciplined team. They may not beat the guy across from them, but they do the right things all the time.

4) I was hoping for better fundamentals--particularly tackling. I was hoping for more signs of toughness. If you've watched Michigan, you've seen a coach instill toughness in a group that wasn't tough. Before the fanboys fly off the handle, I'm not suggesting Bohl should be at Michigan's level. I'm only saying that is an example of a team that got tougher. I was hoping we would see something along those lines. Youth is not exclusionary to a tough, disciplined, and fundamentally sound team. Inadequate coaching is.

5) If it is true about telling the QBs not to slide, that might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard from a coaching staff. If I knew that was 100% true, then I would really question if this is the right staff.

6) Hiring Stanard.

7) NDSU beating 1 FBS team a year isn't the same as beating 11 a year and isn't an indicator of guaranteed success at Wyoming. NDSU also had the luxury of being on of the top dogs in FCS in terms of facilities and such. An equivalent might be if he took Valparaiso to the heights he took NDSU. To put it on a FBS equivalent, NDSU would be like an AZ State, Texas Tech, or something vs. Wyoming (Valparaiso). What I'm getting at is, it was relatively easy to get the best players in all of FCS to go to NDSU. Xs and Os are a whole lot easier if you simply have better Jims and Joes. IMO, Bohl is out of his element and it is showing somewhat.

Again, I still think Bohl will get this done but I don't think he is some mythical master and guru of football that can get young men to run through an iron wall. I think he is an experienced football coach who works hard, has high standards, and cares about the program. I also believe he will adjust to his new situation but adjust he must even if that means making changes in his staff.