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Christensen needs to be fired

DINOCOSTA said:
Tell you what, for a team that has looked as HORRIBLE as the POKES have looked through 3 games, a defense that looks as though they're playing with 6 instead of 11, the hilarious amount of yards all 3 teams have rolled against us, the lack of disgust coming from the locker room after yesterday's disgrace...for ANYONE to say this team is simply 'snake bit' and maybe just missing winning some games -- anyone pointing to any sunshine within the midst of this shit storm of a young season...bottom line I question your motivation and your credibility.

Give us all a huge break and stop insulting us.

I don't like the fact we have lost but I don't see any good coming out of bitching about it. I try to find the positives and really do think this team can win 6 games. If this doesn't happen I will be the first one hating on the pokes, but until then I will remain positive and hope for the best. If we absolutely got our hinges knocked off in these games I would be singing a different tune too. We aren't losing by 30 points to these guys, we have been close. I think the biggest issue is we are not as good as we thought we could be coming into the season and that's miffed alot of people.
 
pokefanchaz7 said:
DINOCOSTA said:
Tell you what, for a team that has looked as HORRIBLE as the POKES have looked through 3 games, a defense that looks as though they're playing with 6 instead of 11, the hilarious amount of yards all 3 teams have rolled against us, the lack of disgust coming from the locker room after yesterday's disgrace...for ANYONE to say this team is simply 'snake bit' and maybe just missing winning some games -- anyone pointing to any sunshine within the midst of this shit storm of a young season...bottom line I question your motivation and your credibility.

Give us all a huge break and stop insulting us.

I don't like the fact we have lost but I don't see any good coming out of bitching about it. I try to find the positives and really do think this team can win 6 games. If this doesn't happen I will be the first one hating on the pokes, but until then I will remain positive and hope for the best. If we absolutely got our hinges knocked off in these games I would be singing a different tune too. We aren't losing by 30 points to these guys, we have been close. I think the biggest issue is we are not as good as we thought we could be coming into the season and that's miffed alot of people.
+1
 
pokefanchaz7 said:
DINOCOSTA said:
Tell you what, for a team that has looked as HORRIBLE as the POKES have looked through 3 games, a defense that looks as though they're playing with 6 instead of 11, the hilarious amount of yards all 3 teams have rolled against us, the lack of disgust coming from the locker room after yesterday's disgrace...for ANYONE to say this team is simply 'snake bit' and maybe just missing winning some games -- anyone pointing to any sunshine within the midst of this shit storm of a young season...bottom line I question your motivation and your credibility.

Give us all a huge break and stop insulting us.

I don't like the fact we have lost but I don't see any good coming out of bitching about it. I try to find the positives and really do think this team can win 6 games. If this doesn't happen I will be the first one hating on the pokes, but until then I will remain positive and hope for the best. If we absolutely got our hinges knocked off in these games I would be singing a different tune too. We aren't losing by 30 points to these guys, we have been close. I think the biggest issue is we are not as good as we thought we could be coming into the season and that's miffed alot of people.
I think there's a tale of two bars by which we measure success. I think a lot of Wyoming fans expect us to compete at the same level as teams like Boise State, Utah, and BYU*. I'm one of them. To say losing by only two points to an FCS team in our own house is somehow a positive is the other bar, one that's gotten to the point of being intolerable, and one that's expressed in the apparent attitude of Coach Christensen and the defense.
 
Wyovanian said:
pokefanchaz7 said:
DINOCOSTA said:
Tell you what, for a team that has looked as HORRIBLE as the POKES have looked through 3 games, a defense that looks as though they're playing with 6 instead of 11, the hilarious amount of yards all 3 teams have rolled against us, the lack of disgust coming from the locker room after yesterday's disgrace...for ANYONE to say this team is simply 'snake bit' and maybe just missing winning some games -- anyone pointing to any sunshine within the midst of this shit storm of a young season...bottom line I question your motivation and your credibility.

Give us all a huge break and stop insulting us.

I don't like the fact we have lost but I don't see any good coming out of bitching about it. I try to find the positives and really do think this team can win 6 games. If this doesn't happen I will be the first one hating on the pokes, but until then I will remain positive and hope for the best. If we absolutely got our hinges knocked off in these games I would be singing a different tune too. We aren't losing by 30 points to these guys, we have been close. I think the biggest issue is we are not as good as we thought we could be coming into the season and that's miffed alot of people.


I think there's a tale of two bars by which we measure success. I think a lot of Wyoming fans expect us to compete at the same level as teams like Boise State, Utah, and BYU*. I'm one of them. To say losing by only two points to an FCS team in our own house is somehow a positive is the other bar, one that's gotten to the point of being intolerable, and one that's expressed in the apparent attitude of Coach Christensen and the defense.

There was a time that we did compete (and often beat) two of those teams mentioned, but that has not happened for quite a while. I find that and the attitude of those who are ok with losing to an FCS team in our own house intolerable also.
 
No one is saying that we should be positive after our loss to Cal Poly. But seriously, let's think this through... All I hear is that we can't win when we only have Brett trying. Really! I looked at the injury list A lot of our top guys were out for this game. So far our top Wide out in Herron, Offensive leader in Smith, One of our starting guards and one that also got hurt during the game. We had practically nothing but backups playing in this game. The same for our defensive side of the ball. Huff was out and I think one of our LB's.
We lost A LOT of firepower for Cal Poly. I'm not making excuses. You would hope our back ups would be good enough to still be able to take it to an FCS school, but then again, I've been watching the score this year and it seems that the FCS is taking it to ALL FBS schools. There have been several FCS wins this year, sadly Wyoming is one of those, but even SDSU and Nevada had a run for their money last saturday. And SDSU and Nevada hadn't lost starters for the game either.
Going back to the game. We ran alot of what we run when Smith is out there, but the difference in the intangibles between Smith and Kirkegaard really showed. Smith has the ability to see the entire field, Kirk, not very well, Smith can make the play from a broken down play, Kirk Throws it away and usually refuses to run and even when he does run, it's not a threat. We run the same screens and out routes with Smith. Kirk couldn't find the guy in time. Herron is the go to guy for screen passes and his not being in this game showed. Several times Rufran an McNeill and even Claiborne were open on their cross routes and Kirk refused to split the D and get them the ball, something Smith could have handled.
If you want to talk about running the ball, I honestly thought that our guys did a relatively nice job considering...We had NO passing game and it is already tough to run the ball from our type of spread. Cal Poly never had to respect the pass and kept everyone in the box. I'm surprised we even gained over 100 yards rushing just because of this. Wick, May and Miller all did well. Cal Poly could easily see when it was a run and yet we were still able to get yards on the ground. Not as many as we wanted/needed. But it showed a lot of promise.
When we get our firepower back, watch for a better running game. When we are healthy, we have an offense that can easily put up 30 points a game.
Defensively, this team reminds me a lot like the early 90's defenses we had under Tiller. We always had to shoot out other teams offensively to win games. Occasionally we would put together one or two good games a year, but we typically gave up an average of 25 or more points. I think this team will come in to its own. We have a young D. And it's in transition. This D has gone from one extreme to the other. We used to run a coverage based D, now we run a blitz based D. These guys have to get used to it. I agree that Tormey has struggled in the past, but he will need more than one year to get this D where it needs to be. Remember, he inherited a D that was already notoriously bad. And now on top of that it's young. If we have Smith and Herron back on saturday I think we will be fine, if it's Kirk then we will have a game similar to Cal Poly. If we can defeat the injury bug, we'll be fine.
I hate losing. I had actually reconsidered some of my thoughts and predictions that I had early before the season and easily saw us at 0-2. The injuries devastated us to this 0-3. I don't blame coaches for injuries. And I know what it's like to try to win with your top players out... Stop calling for heads and get ready for game 4!
 
This is freaking ridiculous. We've lost three games after two pretty good years, and now y'all are calling for DC's head? Grow up!

I'm not happy with the current situation, and I think DC has a lot of room to improve, but I think it's a little early in the season for this kind of talk. Let's see how things go when Brett comes back. Let's give DC and his staff a chance to right the ship. We've still got talent - at least on one side of the ball and a few players on the other - and I don't see any of the "loss of respect for the coaches" crap happening that y'all are talking about. We've still got an entire conference season to play, and who know what will happen over the next 10 weeks.

Honestly, the cure for this team is to go out and win a game. And not just to win, but to stomp on the neck of the opponent. I think that happens next week, mostly because of Smith. I think he puts the team on his shoulders and leads them to a win. I'm not willing to close the door on this team just yet.

GO POKES!
 
I seem to remember quite a few on here and gowyo and even on the espn conversations that were calling for DC's head right after the Utah State game last year. Needless to say they all shut up at the end of the year. Yet here we go again...
 
kansasCowboy said:
I seem to remember quite a few on here and gowyo and even on the espn conversations that were calling for DC's head right after the Utah State game last year. Needless to say they all shut up at the end of the year. Yet here we go again...

That was 1 game and instant turn around, Defense stepped up big time. This is an FCS team beatting us at home and we used the same fucking defense we used against Toledo. Rush 3 at most no blitz packages turning around 1 loss instantly you can save face.

Getting beat at home by an FCS team with a defense that looks and apparently plays lackadaisical his saving face required him to win this game. This was a must win for him I expected the pokes to come out fired up blitzing constantly something new but instead they literally sat on their hands and did nothing.
 
after 4 years with his recruits one would think that the team would get the gist of it, guess when you don't fit in to a place/program it may be time to be looking for other places to go and do
 
Rush 3 at most no blitz packages turning around 1 loss instantly you can save face.


Why would you blitz on an option team? You would do exactly what we did. You have a limited line and set up your D to go sideline to sideline. Sadly, they got two big runs. Thats what gave them the big numbers. You take out 140 yards off those runs and add in what they were averaging and they were struggling all day.
Everyone struggles to stop options. You are (no matter who you are) a bend but don't break D. Unfortunately, we broke twice. Someone wrote on a different thread how they were now concerned about the AFA game because of how we give up such big numbers on the ground. Come on people, Use your 1+1=2 noggins here. When a team is experienced in running option, they will get their yards on the ground. You just need to contain the redzone, long plays and limit the endzone.
Three years ago we lost 10-0. Our D played exceptional. And yet AFA had 69-267 rushing.
Two years ago we lose 14-20. Still contained, but gave up a couple big plays. AFA 71-379 rushing (that was the second most rushes they had on anybody all year) I was at that game, we contained well, we never really gave up a big play, they just constantly kept pounding away. But it cost them too. They had a couple guys get hurt. The point to this is when AFA put up similar numbers they were putting up 30 to 40 points a game. We contained the scoring. We bent, but didn't break.
Last year we won 25-17. Mostly due to our offense finally showing signs of life. AFA 63-312 rushing. And each time AFA ran for over 300 yards, they put up 30 to 60 points. We held them to 17.
Now put Cal Poly in the mix. Poly had 68-325 rushing. We held them to 24 points. Enough to win the game...Our offense is what struggled to get us the "W". Just like the previous two years with AFA. Our D broke down twice. But tightened up to only give up 10 more points the next 3 quarters.
So, when we get our offense back, I think we'll be fine.
 
kansasCowboy said:
I seem to remember quite a few on here and gowyo and even on the espn conversations that were calling for DC's head right after the Utah State game last year. Needless to say they all shut up at the end of the year. Yet here we go again...
I don't remember a lot of people calling for DC's head after the Utah State game last year. If they were, we should have listened. I seem to remember a lot of WTF just happened discussion, with a sprinkle of people calling for English's head. We still had a winning record and were still hyped, albeit a bit more cautious.
 
There are a number of opportunities where a blitz package could have been used, Sure you aren't going to blitz an option team EVERY DOWN but 2 games in a row we never looked so lack luster. We didn't show any sign of life at all it's like we were just there to be there but not to win.
 
wellpoke said:
This is freaking ridiculous. We've lost three games after two pretty good years, and now y'all are calling for DC's head? Grow up!

I'm not happy with the current situation, and I think DC has a lot of room to improve, but I think it's a little early in the season for this kind of talk. Let's see how things go when Brett comes back. Let's give DC and his staff a chance to right the ship. We've still got talent - at least on one side of the ball and a few players on the other - and I don't see any of the "loss of respect for the coaches" crap happening that y'all are talking about. We've still got an entire conference season to play, and who know what will happen over the next 10 weeks.

Honestly, the cure for this team is to go out and win a game. And not just to win, but to stomp on the neck of the opponent. I think that happens next week, mostly because of Smith. I think he puts the team on his shoulders and leads them to a win. I'm not willing to close the door on this team just yet.

GO POKES!
From what we've seen, I think the prospect of a winless or near-winless season has very much moved to the realm of possibility. When a 4th-year head coach goes from 2 bowl games in 3 years to a trainwreck season following a bowl season, it invites scrutiny.

Here's a scrutinizing question- how many games under Christensen have we came from being behind at halftime to win due to, at least in part, increased defensive production?
 
Winless or near winless? I guess I need to take off my brown and gold glasses. Because, even with Colby, we're still better than half the shitty teams in our conference. With Brett, I'd bet we still go bowling. Without Brett....we still win 4 games at a minimum.

Work to do? Of course. But we are nowhere near the Vic Koenning teams or most of what Joe Glenn put on the field.

Go Pokes!!
 
JimmyDimes said:
Winless or near winless? I guess I need to take off my brown and gold glasses. Because, even with Colby, we're still better than half the shitty teams in our conference. With Brett, I'd bet we still go bowling. Without Brett....we still win 4 games at a minimum.

Work to do? Of course. But we are nowhere near the Vic Koenning teams or most of what Joe Glenn put on the field.

Go Pokes!!

This is what I don't get about the sky is falling fan base around here. We were ugly last week, we also were without Our starting Middle Linebacker, Our Starting Strong Safety, Our starting Defensive lineman, Our Starting QB (and MVP) Our best wide reciever, and we lost our Starting Offensive lineman in practice the week of the game.

If we can get half of these players healthy (with Brett being most important) we beat all the lower teams in the MWC and will be competitive with just about everyone we play because their isn't a dominant defense in the league. The season is not over after three games.
 
JimmyDimes said:
Winless or near winless? I guess I need to take off my brown and gold glasses. Because, even with Colby, we're still better than half the shitty teams in our conference. With Brett, I'd bet we still go bowling. Without Brett....we still win 4 games at a minimum.

Work to do? Of course. But we are nowhere near the Vic Koenning teams or most of what Joe Glenn put on the field.

Go Pokes!!

Of course with what I said a moment ago... without Brett on the field we would have to see some drastic improvemant from our offense to win against anybody this year. Brett is the oil that makes that offensive machine go and without him their isn't a big difference between us and UNLV, New Mexico, CSU, or SDSU. With Brett I think we beat all of these teams easily.
 
JimmyDimes said:
Winless or near winless? I guess I need to take off my brown and gold glasses. Because, even with Colby, we're still better than half the shitty teams in our conference. With Brett, I'd bet we still go bowling. Without Brett....we still win 4 games at a minimum.

Work to do? Of course. But we are nowhere near the Vic Koenning teams or most of what Joe Glenn put on the field.

Go Pokes!!
In case you missed it- we're winless, 0-3, including losses at home to a MAC team and an FCS team. Like I said, how many Christensen-coached teams can you say came back and won because of second-half defensive adjustments? AFA took Michigan to the mat and BSU's running game seems to have found its, ahem, footing, UNR boatraced Cal, Fresno State hung over 60 on CU. Those are the teams we should measure ourselves by, not UNM, UNLV, or CSU. If you think otherwise, I'd have to say that's the "other bar" for success I referred to. Call it the "FCS bar".

I'm not saying "fire Christensen", I'm not even saying "fire Tormey". I'm saying Christensen needs to be made aware that no one is indispensable, and that a loss to an FCS opponent in the War pretty much cancels out two "just-for-fun" bowl appearances in which one was an absolute embarrassment. The appearance of a lack of urgency on the part of himself and his players and staff isn't making a very strong case for him, because when looked at closely, his record is a little shaky when it comes to urgency.
 
pokefanchaz7 said:
JimmyDimes said:
Winless or near winless? I guess I need to take off my brown and gold glasses. Because, even with Colby, we're still better than half the shitty teams in our conference. With Brett, I'd bet we still go bowling. Without Brett....we still win 4 games at a minimum.

Work to do? Of course. But we are nowhere near the Vic Koenning teams or most of what Joe Glenn put on the field.

Go Pokes!!

This is what I don't get about the sky is falling fan base around here. We were ugly last week, we also were without Our starting Middle Linebacker, Our Starting Strong Safety, Our starting Defensive lineman, Our Starting QB (and MVP) Our best wide reciever, and we lost our Starting Offensive lineman in practice the week of the game.

If we can get half of these players healthy (with Brett being most important) we beat all the lower teams in the MWC and will be competitive with just about everyone we play because their isn't a dominant defense in the league. The season is not over after three games.

In all fairnness, IMO, our D has looked like dogs%$# all year. Not just Cal Poly.
 
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