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CBI: Wyo @ Texas A&M

BeaverPoke

BeaverPoke

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18-14 MWC team @ a 17-15 SEC team.

Here's a couple things I have noticed about A&M:
They won 6 straight games to start the season and since have gone 11-15.
They finished 8-10 in SEC play.

Both Wyo and A&M put up 65.2 points per game (although ESPN has us as the 305th scoring team and them as the 308th scoring team).

The defenses aren't all that different either.
Wyo gives up 61.8 points per game, and is 18th in the NCAA in scoring defense.
Texas A&M isn't far behind us though. 35th at 63.4 points per game.

Offenses are the same, defenses we are slightly ahead.
But, obviously 3/4 of our games we played with a first team MWC player and all defensive player.

So the advantage probably goes to the Aggies, especially at home.

But Brett Smith > Johnny Manziel plus we got Josh Adams. Pokes win 64-62 in College Station.
 
can't let the SEC moniker bother us, can't see a sell out crowd for this type of tourney down there, I like our chances
 
stymeman said:
can't let the SEC moniker bother us, can't see a sell out crowd for this type of tourney down there, I like our chances
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No sell out crowds in either the CBI or CIT. Average attendance for the first round of the CBI in 2012 was 1,891 and for the CIT it was 1,597. The largest 1st round attendance in the CBI was at Princeton - 3,012 people. Largest first round attendance for the CIT was at Utah Valley and it was 2,334. In comparison, first round in the NIT averaged 3,917 and the biggest attendance was 13,190 for the Iowa versus Dayton contest. As you can see, interest in the CBI and CIT is not real high. It will probably be like playing at SJSU for crowd size.
 
stymeman said:
GO POKES, doubtful but any chance if Hankerson rejoins us or not????
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Would it make a difference if he did? I mean presumably he has not been practicing with the team so would certainly have lost some edge. What I expect is that Hankerson will never again see the court (except municipal) at Wyoming again.
 
After checking out the Texas A&M boards, as soon as a topic about the upcoming game is started, someone brings up how incompetant their AD and/or head coach is and the thread devolves into a ranting mess.

I'm not fully aware of their past history, but has Texas A&M ever been much of a basketball powerhouse to warrant their fans reactions?
 
BeaverPoke said:
18-14 MWC team @ a 17-15 SEC team.

Here's a couple things I have noticed about A&M:
They won 6 straight games to start the season and since have gone 11-15.
They finished 8-10 in SEC play.

Both Wyo and A&M put up 65.2 points per game (although ESPN has us as the 305th scoring team and them as the 308th scoring team).

The defenses aren't all that different either.
Wyo gives up 61.8 points per game, and is 18th in the NCAA in scoring defense.
Texas A&M isn't far behind us though. 35th at 63.4 points per game.

Offenses are the same, defenses we are slightly ahead.
But, obviously 3/4 of our games we played with a first team MWC player and all defensive player.

So the advantage probably goes to the Aggies, especially at home.

But Brett Smith > Johnny Manziel plus we got Josh Adams. Pokes win 64-62 in College Station.
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This CBI game is way more for the coaches developing young players and touting that the team went to the "post season" than it is for the fan. Do they even print in the newspapers (other than the hometown newspaper) which ever team wins the CBI? I can not remember the team winning the CBI as get any type of props what so ever, so this really is like kissing your sister. Can't say that I am excited and I have no doubt that I will check the sports broadcast to see who wins, and I certainly hope that the Pokes win, but come on, CBI for the second year in a row.....

The apologists will constantly point to Nance and his injury....but where is the depth after 2 1/2 years? Good teams that go to the NCAA's and many of the teams in the NIT have depth, CBI teams, well........they kiss their sister and say, see we went to the post season.....but the post season tournament no one has heard of unless they are diehard basketball fans.
 
stymeman said:
can't let the SEC moniker bother us, can't see a sell out crowd for this type of tourney down there, I like our chances
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Good way to gain some confidence going into next season. And a good way to reward Sobey and Granberry for their hard work.

They might be outmanned at this point in the season, but the Pokes were starting to play some good basketball again.

Go Pokes!!
 
PotatoCreekPete said:
BeaverPoke said:
18-14 MWC team @ a 17-15 SEC team.

Here's a couple things I have noticed about A&M:
They won 6 straight games to start the season and since have gone 11-15.
They finished 8-10 in SEC play.

Both Wyo and A&M put up 65.2 points per game (although ESPN has us as the 305th scoring team and them as the 308th scoring team).

The defenses aren't all that different either.
Wyo gives up 61.8 points per game, and is 18th in the NCAA in scoring defense.
Texas A&M isn't far behind us though. 35th at 63.4 points per game.

Offenses are the same, defenses we are slightly ahead.
But, obviously 3/4 of our games we played with a first team MWC player and all defensive player.

So the advantage probably goes to the Aggies, especially at home.

But Brett Smith > Johnny Manziel plus we got Josh Adams. Pokes win 64-62 in College Station.
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This CBI game is way more for the coaches developing young players and touting that the team went to the "post season" than it is for the fan. Do they even print in the newspapers (other than the hometown newspaper) which ever team wins the CBI? I can not remember the team winning the CBI as get any type of props what so ever, so this really is like kissing your sister. Can't say that I am excited and I have no doubt that I will check the sports broadcast to see who wins, and I certainly hope that the Pokes win, but come on, CBI for the second year in a row.....

The apologists will constantly point to Nance and his injury....but where is the depth after 2 1/2 years? Good teams that go to the NCAA's and many of the teams in the NIT have depth, CBI teams, well........they kiss their sister and say, see we went to the post season.....but the post season tournament no one has heard of unless they are diehard basketball fans.
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Im happy for the team to make the CBI. Nat happy or satisfied with getting to the CBI this year. But with how the season went its nice to give the team some more basketball to play. Every game that Adams and Cooke play without Nance is a great learning expereince. If we could win a few games in the tourney and play 5 or so extra games that would be great for the experience level of this team. Plus I really enjoy watching this group play even though they haven't been that successful last couple games. Really enjoyed watching Adams grow as a basketball palyer. So overall Im happy and glad they get to play in the CBI but Im not bragging about it.

Depth takes a while to biuld and I think we are on schedule for depth. We should see a lot more next year i beleive.
 
fromolwyoming said:
After checking out the Texas A&M boards, as soon as a topic about the upcoming game is started, someone brings up how incompetant their AD and/or head coach is and the thread devolves into a ranting mess.

I'm not fully aware of their past history, but has Texas A&M ever been much of a basketball powerhouse to warrant their fans reactions?
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Kind of. Billy Gillispie coached there for three years and completely turned them around. Should of stayed there in my opinion, because Kentucky wasn't a good fit.

I wish Eric Hyman was the AD at Wyoming.
 
i just glad the final games are on a national TV network, CBS SportsNetwork, we all get that, it'll be good for our younger players like you said!!!! Esp if Josh has another monster dunk, but it won't be on any TV, show them SEC people who we are...lol
 
hithere said:
fromolwyoming said:
After checking out the Texas A&M boards, as soon as a topic about the upcoming game is started, someone brings up how incompetant their AD and/or head coach is and the thread devolves into a ranting mess.

I'm not fully aware of their past history, but has Texas A&M ever been much of a basketball powerhouse to warrant their fans reactions?
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Kind of. Billy Gillispie coached there for three years and completely turned them around. Should of stayed there in my opinion, because Kentucky wasn't a good fit.

I wish Eric Hyman was the AD at Wyoming.
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3 years isn't much. Having an occassional down year but otherwise being really good (consistent NCAA and NIT invites along with conference titles thrown in) over the long haul would merit being a powerhouse.
 
PotatoCreekPete said:
BeaverPoke said:
18-14 MWC team @ a 17-15 SEC team.

Here's a couple things I have noticed about A&M:
They won 6 straight games to start the season and since have gone 11-15.
They finished 8-10 in SEC play.

Both Wyo and A&M put up 65.2 points per game (although ESPN has us as the 305th scoring team and them as the 308th scoring team).

The defenses aren't all that different either.
Wyo gives up 61.8 points per game, and is 18th in the NCAA in scoring defense.
Texas A&M isn't far behind us though. 35th at 63.4 points per game.

Offenses are the same, defenses we are slightly ahead.
But, obviously 3/4 of our games we played with a first team MWC player and all defensive player.

So the advantage probably goes to the Aggies, especially at home.

But Brett Smith > Johnny Manziel plus we got Josh Adams. Pokes win 64-62 in College Station.
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This CBI game is way more for the coaches developing young players and touting that the team went to the "post season" than it is for the fan. Do they even print in the newspapers (other than the hometown newspaper) which ever team wins the CBI? I can not remember the team winning the CBI as get any type of props what so ever, so this really is like kissing your sister. Can't say that I am excited and I have no doubt that I will check the sports broadcast to see who wins, and I certainly hope that the Pokes win, but come on, CBI for the second year in a row.....

The apologists will constantly point to Nance and his injury....but where is the depth after 2 1/2 years? Good teams that go to the NCAA's and many of the teams in the NIT have depth, CBI teams, well........they kiss their sister and say, see we went to the post season.....but the post season tournament no one has heard of unless they are diehard basketball fans.
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And you know, typical potato has to come and give his two negative cents, even after pretty much everyone on here has already said exactly what you decided to rant. With exception of one thing. I know you probably don't follow basketball all that well, and that's okay, so please don't act like the expert that you are not.
First, this would be our third CBI in a row.
And second if you don't remember anyone who's won the tourney, let me enlighten you:
Just starting at 2008; Tulsa Beat Bradley in three. Since Tulsas gone 19-13, 17-14, 17-15 and now in the NCAA. (There are more seasons involved there, but I can't get them on my phone.)
2009; Oregon St. Beat Utep in three.
2010; VCU beat St. Louis in two games, both teams have made the NCAA the last couple of years.
2011; Oregon beat Creighton in three games, both are in the NCAA.
2012; Pitt beat WSU in Three games. Pitt now running in the NCAA.
2013; Santa Clara beat George Mason in three. I'd say one of these teams will be either NIT or NCAA bound next year.
There have been other top teams involved in this tourney aswell that haven't made it to the championship or won it all:
Virginia, Washington, Cincy, Wichita St., Stanford, Texas, Boise St, Weber St.
I would say all these programs and their success would make this a decent tourney.
 
That is the thing, If you win the CBI you almost earn that NCAA bid the following year as long as you don't have a melt down. It's a really good way for a small team to get their foot in the door. But once again you have to win it.
 
kansasCowboy said:
PotatoCreekPete said:
BeaverPoke said:
18-14 MWC team @ a 17-15 SEC team.

Here's a couple things I have noticed about A&M:
They won 6 straight games to start the season and since have gone 11-15.
They finished 8-10 in SEC play.

Both Wyo and A&M put up 65.2 points per game (although ESPN has us as the 305th scoring team and them as the 308th scoring team).

The defenses aren't all that different either.
Wyo gives up 61.8 points per game, and is 18th in the NCAA in scoring defense.
Texas A&M isn't far behind us though. 35th at 63.4 points per game.

Offenses are the same, defenses we are slightly ahead.
But, obviously 3/4 of our games we played with a first team MWC player and all defensive player.

So the advantage probably goes to the Aggies, especially at home.

But Brett Smith > Johnny Manziel plus we got Josh Adams. Pokes win 64-62 in College Station.
Click to expand...

This CBI game is way more for the coaches developing young players and touting that the team went to the "post season" than it is for the fan. Do they even print in the newspapers (other than the hometown newspaper) which ever team wins the CBI? I can not remember the team winning the CBI as get any type of props what so ever, so this really is like kissing your sister. Can't say that I am excited and I have no doubt that I will check the sports broadcast to see who wins, and I certainly hope that the Pokes win, but come on, CBI for the second year in a row.....

The apologists will constantly point to Nance and his injury....but where is the depth after 2 1/2 years? Good teams that go to the NCAA's and many of the teams in the NIT have depth, CBI teams, well........they kiss their sister and say, see we went to the post season.....but the post season tournament no one has heard of unless they are diehard basketball fans.
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And you know, typical potato has to come and give his two negative cents, even after pretty much everyone on here has already said exactly what you decided to rant. With exception of one thing. I know you probably don't follow basketball all that well, and that's okay, so please don't act like the expert that you are not.
First, this would be our third CBI in a row.
And second if you don't remember anyone who's won the tourney, let me enlighten you:
Just starting at 2008; Tulsa Beat Bradley in three. Since Tulsas gone 19-13, 17-14, 17-15 and now in the NCAA. (There are more seasons involved there, but I can't get them on my phone.)
2009; Oregon St. Beat Utep in three.
2010; VCU beat St. Louis in two games, both teams have made the NCAA the last couple of years.
2011; Oregon beat Creighton in three games, both are in the NCAA.
2012; Pitt beat WSU in Three games. Pitt now running in the NCAA.
2013; Santa Clara beat George Mason in three. I'd say one of these teams will be either NIT or NCAA bound next year.
There have been other top teams involved in this tourney aswell that haven't made it to the championship or won it all:
Virginia, Washington, Cincy, Wichita St., Stanford, Texas, Boise St, Weber St.
I would say all these programs and their success would make this a decent tourney.
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You really think that Wyoming has a snowball in Hell's chance of winning the CBI? You may call my two cents negative, I call it realistic. Some people have difficulty dealing with reality you just appear to be one of them. I am not ragging on the players just looking at the program as a whole and seeing the lack of depth that this program has. Hopefully with the addition of Barnes and maybe another big next year this issue will be addressed.

Frankly speaking, I follow basketball fairly closely as I coached many years ago HS ball in Colorado, which shows how really little you know. I enjoy seeing how Adams has come out and taken charge but on the other hand Grabau has disappeared again on the offensive end of the court when we have needed him most late in the season, or are you going to ignore this? This is NOT the time of year to have a floor leader disappear totally on the offensive end. Grabau either really helps the team offensively or he really disappears, you need more consistency out of your floor leader IMO. Cooke also disappeared when we needed him in the tournament. We lose Sobey and Granberry which is going to be tough but I am impressed the way that they have stepped up. But without any type of interior game this team is not going anywhere, negative or not that is the truth and you sticking your head in the sand isn't going to make that problem suddenly disappear.

Adams is an exciting player and he is the ONLY player that is coming back next season (aside from Nance) that can be counted on for consistency on the offensive end of the court, or are you going to ignore this reality as well? Under Coach Shyatt Wyoming has tended to put too much emphasis on one or two players to carry the team, or are you going to ignore this reality as well? Wyoming needs to have more CONSISTENT scoring across the board from more players to be a truly championship team.
 
The most important post of this thread.

Men's Basketball: Texas A&M vs Wyoming (CBI First Round) Free live video of Texas A&M Men's Basketball vs Wyoming in the first round of the CBI at Reed Arena. Broadcast time 7 p.m.
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Never cease to amaze me Potato.

To start, I don't think I ever said once that we'd win the CBI tourney. You came to that conclusion on your own. I even listed significant programs that played in the CBI, but didn't win. What I did do is clarify for you how respectable the tourney actually is, since you decided to bad mouth it also. I gave you all sorts of info that you might want to know, besides if you follow basketball and WYO like you say you do, you should know some of he teams that's been in it the last three years running now. Also, let's not try and put words in my mouth and alter what I had actually wrote to try and better your argument. It's not going to work.
So now, please explain to me what reality I struggle dealing with, would you? If it's depth, or lack thereof, we've discussed it day after day after day after day. You pound that subject, yet I don't know anyone that disagrees with you about it. But we get what should be good news about the Cowboys being able to continue their season, and it's Potato bringing "reality" to us again. It's amazing, you never falter. I forgot how you apparently can keep a level head in times of good news, when obviously it's the rest of us who tend to struggle. Thanks for bringing reality back to us. We truly needed it. (But come to think of it, I don't remember one person arguing lack of depth with you.)
I also don't recall ignoring the fact that Grabau hasn't brought much to the table in terms of points here lately. In fact, if I recall an earlier post where I questioned whether it might be do to the injury he suffered to his hand earlier last month. Cause that was about the time his point production went down, and his 3pt % began to slip significantly. If you used to coach, just as I have/do, I'd think you would've considered this aswell, instead of complaining about it and labeling it an excuse. As far as his consistency, I'd say overall he was rather consisten, still avgs 10.4 ppg, even with his drop off lately. He's scored 8 or more points in 22 of his 32 games. I'd say that is pretty damn good, plus he's our Ft guy avging 90%. And to think he'll come back better next year. That's not an excuse.
Cooke disappeared? Really? The same Cooke who only avgd 5 points and 5 boards a game a month ago. Who up'd his avg in six game to 6.1 ppg and 6rpg? The same guy that struggled as Wyomings "only big" on the floor against UNLV and yet still managed 7 pts and 11 Rebs? That's not considered disappearing.
And to finish, I honestly have no idea where you come to any kind of inclination that I'm sticking my head in the sand at these "problems".
Shyatt has put too much emphasis on one or two players? Wow! Let me correct you right there.
This years scoring avg per player:
Nance 15.4; Adams 12.9; Grabau 10.4; Sobey 9.8; Cooke 6.1; Granberry 6.0; Hankerson 5.1
Last year:
Martinez 14.5; Washington 12.9; Gilmore 12.0; Nance 10.1; Adams 6.6; Grabau 5.8
Shyatts first year back:
Washington 12.6; Cruz 12.2; Martinez 12.2; Waddell 9.4; Luster 5.4; Nance 4.1
Those are numbers of a team that spreads the wealth, that is in NO way relying on one or two guys. You want a team that relys heavy on one guy? Look at Creighton. That team is absolutely nothing without McDermott. We were a team that relied heavy on Ewing and Jones (two players) under Shroyer. We relied heavy on Jay Straight (one player) at the fall of the McClain years.
Do you know the things you write or do you just prefer to spit personal thoughts on threads and decide to treat everyone else like the idiot?
 
kansasCowboy said:
Never cease to amaze me Potato.

To start, I don't think I ever said once that we'd win the CBI tourney. You came to that conclusion on your own. I even listed significant programs that played in the CBI, but didn't win. What I did do is clarify for you how respectable the tourney actually is, since you decided to bad mouth it also. I gave you all sorts of info that you might want to know, besides if you follow basketball and WYO like you say you do, you should know some of he teams that's been in it the last three years running now. Also, let's not try and put words in my mouth and alter what I had actually wrote to try and better your argument. It's not going to work.
So now, please explain to me what reality I struggle dealing with, would you? If it's depth, or lack thereof, we've discussed it day after day after day after day. You pound that subject, yet I don't know anyone that disagrees with you about it. But we get what should be good news about the Cowboys being able to continue their season, and it's Potato bringing "reality" to us again. It's amazing, you never falter. I forgot how you apparently can keep a level head in times of good news, when obviously it's the rest of us who tend to struggle. Thanks for bringing reality back to us. We truly needed it. (But come to think of it, I don't remember one person arguing lack of depth with you.)
I also don't recall ignoring the fact that Grabau hasn't brought much to the table in terms of points here lately. In fact, if I recall an earlier post where I questioned whether it might be do to the injury he suffered to his hand earlier last month. Cause that was about the time his point production went down, and his 3pt % began to slip significantly. If you used to coach, just as I have/do, I'd think you would've considered this aswell, instead of complaining about it and labeling it an excuse. As far as his consistency, I'd say overall he was rather consisten, still avgs 10.4 ppg, even with his drop off lately. He's scored 8 or more points in 22 of his 32 games. I'd say that is pretty damn good, plus he's our Ft guy avging 90%. And to think he'll come back better next year. That's not an excuse.
Cooke disappeared? Really? The same Cooke who only avgd 5 points and 5 boards a game a month ago. Who up'd his avg in six game to 6.1 ppg and 6rpg? The same guy that struggled as Wyomings "only big" on the floor against UNLV and yet still managed 7 pts and 11 Rebs? That's not considered disappearing.
And to finish, I honestly have no idea where you come to any kind of inclination that I'm sticking my head in the sand at these "problems".
Shyatt has put too much emphasis on one or two players? Wow! Let me correct you right there.
This years scoring avg per player:
Nance 15.4; Adams 12.9; Grabau 10.4; Sobey 9.8; Cooke 6.1; Granberry 6.0; Hankerson 5.1
Last year:
Martinez 14.5; Washington 12.9; Gilmore 12.0; Nance 10.1; Adams 6.6; Grabau 5.8
Shyatts first year back:
Washington 12.6; Cruz 12.2; Martinez 12.2; Waddell 9.4; Luster 5.4; Nance 4.1
Those are numbers of a team that spreads the wealth, that is in NO way relying on one or two guys. You want a team that relys heavy on one guy? Look at Creighton. That team is absolutely nothing without McDermott. We were a team that relied heavy on Ewing and Jones (two players) under Shroyer. We relied heavy on Jay Straight (one player) at the fall of the McClain years.
Do you know the things you write or do you just prefer to spit personal thoughts on threads and decide to treat everyone else like the idiot?
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You attacked me first brain stem, or do you not remember. I was giving my two cents about the team, said nothing to you or about you and you attacked me because of my opinion. I realize that talk of consistency is over your head so I will type slowly just for you. This is what I am talking about consistency about Grabau:

Conference Season: Grabau's stats

Nevada - 14 points
New Mexico - 24 points
@ Boise St. - 0 points
San Jose St. - 4 points
@ Air Force - 0 points
@ Nevada - 13 points
@ Fresno St. - 14 points
Utah St. - 15 points
@ New Mexico - 12 points
@ UNLV - 11 points
San Diego St. - 17 points
@ San Jose St. - 18 points
Fresno St. - 8 points
@ CSU - 9 points
Air Force - 3 points
Boise St. - 13 points
@ Utah St. - 7 points
CSU - 3 points
Tourn. (UNLV) - 0 points

Grabau is either hot or cold, its called inconsistency. During the middle of the season he was scoring nicely but the first 5 games of the season he would go from scoring 24 points in one game to 0 points in the next game, i.e. evidence of lack of consistency on the offensive end of the court. The last 7 games of the season, Grabau would go from 9 points to 3 points in the next game and then to 13 points and then down to 7 points and then even further down to 3 and 0 points. This is your floor general and he is inconsistent. You try and point out his season average and say see...he is consistent. You would say overall that he is rather consistent, it is because you want to see it that way and stick your head in the sand and ignore the ups and downs in his scoring over the season.

It is evident that Shyatt puts a lot of emphasis on a player or two because when Nance went down, Wyoming had NO answer, no response.

You stick your head in the sand because you ignore the reality of the stats and give excuses even if you want to deny it.

Remember again KansasCowboy you attacked me personally first because of my opinion and post...I didn't mention you in mine nor did I attack you. You want to say gee why did you attack me I did nothing. Friend, you do stick your head in the sand because some stats are uncomfortable to you, you pick and chose stats that you wish to point out while ignoring others. Your knowledge of basketball isn't as great as you maybe want to say it is. Maybe before you personally attack someone for their opinion you should make sure that you have looked at everything first.
 
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