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Call me an optimist but...

whyoh

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I like to find positive points in everything...and this year it has been special teams...a few missed FGs aside our special teams have looked top notch, and i believe that boise had such high offensice yardage partially because they NEEDED high offensive yardage to overcome the unfavorable field position A-Mac would leave them in

this week vs. AFA won't look quite as impressive in the P column but we were inches from McCoy dropping two punts inside the one that instead came back 20 yds

not to mention the blocked EP...if you watch the opponents FGs we almost always seem to be right in there close to a block

Keep it up, special forces, you work will pay off big soon
 
I agree that there are positives, special teams being one of them. We haven't actually attempted a field goal yet, so we haven't missed any. There was only the deflected PAT against BSU. But McCoy is picking up where he left off last year. It looks like another big year for the punt team. I also like that we held Air Force to their lowest point total so far this year, less than Oklahoma. I'm glad to see Alexander gaining some yards on the ground and seeing Bolger becoming another go-to guy.

My issue is the bland play calling. Against BSU we had some nice passes to Alexander (3 completions for 36 yards) and then abandoned it. Hopefully we'll open up things as the weeks progress.

Basically we're where we were last year:

win vs So. Utah (Weber)
loss to Texas (Texas)
loss to BSU (Colorado)
loss to Air Force (Air Force)

If we beat Toledo (FAU), we're back to square one. If we have the same results in conference we'll most likely go bowling again. SDSU looks tougher and we were fortunate to beat them last year, but maybe BYU will give us the win if we can't pull one off against SDSU. The problem is if we do go 2 - 6 the first 8 games, winning 4 conference games in a row will not be easy at all. None of them will roll over. Then again, maybe we'll surprise a couple of the teams that have been beating us lately.
 
I am still in depression. Air Force was a must win and we had it and lost it. That was truly a must win.

Lots of "IFs", but IF we beat Air Force, that would open up the door for a bowl game early on and leave room for a slip up along the way. Now, however, we need to rely on a true upset to go bowling again. Very disappointing.

Cell phone broken cause of Saturday. :brick:
 
i dont get the doomsdayers....why do we need a "true" upset to go bowling now? none of the teams we need to beat are any better than AFA, so how are they a "true" upset compared to last weekend. Sagarins ratings arent perfect, especially early in the season..but AFA is in the top 30, Toledo 80s, and SDSU is in the 70s, even BYU is in the 60s. then the last 3 are way down there like 130 plus. wyo is sitting at 100, but played much better. i think everyone is freaking out a little early. now IF we lose this weekend i will be freaking out as well.

if we beat toledo i think 6 - 6 is probable, and 8 - 4 is possible. we will be in good shape.

lose to toledo and i think 4 - 8 is probable.
 
cowboyz said:
We haven't actually attempted a field goal yet, so we haven't missed any. There was only the deflected PAT against BSU.


good call...my bad :bow:
 
Fullback41 said:
i dont get the doomsdayers....why do we need a "true" upset to go bowling now? none of the teams we need to beat are any better than AFA, so how are they a "true" upset compared to last weekend. Sagarins ratings arent perfect, especially early in the season..but AFA is in the top 30, Toledo 80s, and SDSU is in the 70s, even BYU is in the 60s. then the last 3 are way down there like 130 plus. wyo is sitting at 100, but played much better. i think everyone is freaking out a little early. now IF we lose this weekend i will be freaking out as well.

if we beat toledo i think 6 - 6 is probable, and 8 - 4 is possible. we will be in good shape.

lose to toledo and i think 4 - 8 is probable.


Fullback41 First I appreciate your optomism. We all love our Pokes and hope for the best. With your probable's and possible's, I would love to see it but watching all of our home games live, I am having a tough time thinking we can do it. Not to be negative but I think it would be really tough to do by the way we are playing/coaching.

If we do beat Toledo, which is not going to be an easy task at all, you said 8-4 is possible. That means we have to beat either TCU or Utah and run the table against BYU, SDSU, N Mex, UNLV and CSU.

I am just as big a fan as anyone else but I really think we should step back and take a look at it without the glasses on. TCU and Utah are realistically losses. BYU at their house even though they are way down from their usual would have to be considered a pretty big upset. SDSU is playing really good football and we would have to have the bounces go our way in Laramie. We couldn't stop S. Utah's offense from racking up the yards and SDSU has a pretty good offense. We will beat N Mex. UNLV had a bad game at Idaho which contrary to popular belief isn't an easy place to play. Besides that they have been respectable in their other games. Going to UNLV won't be a cake walk and I think will be a good fight for the Pokes but I think we could pull it out. We should beat CSU but with it being a hated rival, throw everything out the window cause it seems like it is always a close game. (Which would make me suicidal)

With that being said, if we win this weekend against Toledo, I see a 5-6 or possibly a 6-6 season at best. If we lose this weekend, 4-8 or 3-9 or worse. I truely hope you are right but am having a tough time seeing it.
 
Another positive. DC is extremely dedicated - look at the time stamp of his last Tweet. Watching video until 3 a.m. is a solid day of work.
 
I was in Vegas recently and listening to a local sports talk show. Dave Cokin was doing an analysis of a few teams and their upcoming conference schedules. One of his comments, "they still get to play Wyoming". Until we are looked at as tough opponent rather than a "get to play" opponent, then any win we get is an accomplishment. Last year, we beat vegas by 3, SDS by 3, CSU by 1, and New Mexico was our only blowout.

We need a miracle - not a card trick miracle- but a water into wine like miracle to beat one of the upper tier teams in our conference. Maybe at some point we'll have the talent to do it. But we are not even close right now.
 
bladerunnr said:
We need a miracle - not a card trick miracle- but a water into wine like miracle to beat one of the upper tier teams in our conference. Maybe at some point we'll have the talent to do it. But we are not even close right now.

Well, I think we finally have some talent in the skill positions... maybe adding 10 linemen on each side of the ball to our recruiting class wouldn't be such a bad idea. I seriously think that's our main issue. I guess our secondary's about to get worse again soon too, though.
 
bladerunnr said:
I was in Vegas recently and listening to a local sports talk show. Dave Cokin was doing an analysis of a few teams and their upcoming conference schedules. One of his comments, "they still get to play Wyoming". Until we are looked at as tough opponent rather than a "get to play" opponent, then any win we get is an accomplishment. Last year, we beat vegas by 3, SDS by 3, CSU by 1, and New Mexico was our only blowout.

We need a miracle - not a card trick miracle- but a water into wine like miracle to beat one of the upper tier teams in our conference. Maybe at some point we'll have the talent to do it. But we are not even close right now.

So, you're saying just because a Las Vegas local sports talk show said, "they still get Wyoming" we haven't accomplished anything? How about the fact we have beat UNLV 5 out of the last 6. We also won a bowl game last year. I'd say that is a better accomplishment than having a bunch of radio hacks say "at least we get Wyoming".

Who would you call the upper tier teams in our conference? TCU? Air Force is currently either the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league and without the help of two timely turnovers, I don't think you could say they would have won.

I'm with Fullback....don't get all the doomsday stuff. To each his own.
 
JimmyDimes said:
bladerunnr said:
I was in Vegas recently and listening to a local sports talk show. Dave Cokin was doing an analysis of a few teams and their upcoming conference schedules. One of his comments, "they still get to play Wyoming". Until we are looked at as tough opponent rather than a "get to play" opponent, then any win we get is an accomplishment. Last year, we beat vegas by 3, SDS by 3, CSU by 1, and New Mexico was our only blowout.

We need a miracle - not a card trick miracle- but a water into wine like miracle to beat one of the upper tier teams in our conference. Maybe at some point we'll have the talent to do it. But we are not even close right now.

So, you're saying just because a Las Vegas local sports talk show said, "they still get Wyoming" we haven't accomplished anything? How about the fact we have beat UNLV 5 out of the last 6. We also won a bowl game last year. I'd say that is a better accomplishment than having a bunch of radio hacks say "at least we get Wyoming".

Who would you call the upper tier teams in our conference? TCU? Air Force is currently either the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league and without the help of two timely turnovers, I don't think you could say they would have won.

I'm with Fullback....don't get all the doomsday stuff. To each his own.

Not just because some radio "hack" said it. Because if you went around the league, every team would call Wyoming a winnable game or a must win. You think Vegas or SDS or even Nm is afraid of us? I guarantee csewe isn't.

The upper tier is TCU, Utah, and BYU. They are the only teams in the league to win the MWC in recent memory.

Finally, yes, we won a bowl game last year. It was a nice end to the season. Let's not blow that out of proportion. We were a 6-6 team that won 5 close games and got blown out 4 times.

BTW, Jimmy, aren't you the one who talked about how good our BB team was going to be last year? It's nice to be positive but you sunshine pumpers are laughable. Anything negative and the poster is not a fan or a doomsday preacher.
 
My dime:

We competed against the AFA, and SUU. And for 20 or so gametime minutes at Texas. But the demoralizing debacle against Boise...was just that. They flat pounded the living shit out of us, and we were about as competitive as a turd going down the bowl. THAT is what frustrates me...when we don't compete like I think we should. We laid down against Boise, were vanilla as all hell, and never once showed that we were going to pull up our fucking panties and compete. That ass kicking still stings.

Now we sit at 1 & 3, and are faced with having to get it righted now, or there will be NOTHING left to play for this season. So great, we now have added pressure. That probably won't help things...but hey, Dave said he was here to win games, and "we will win games"...so Dave...it is all on you! And quite frankly, I think you can make it happen, but am pissed we are 1 & 3, with one of those "3" being a fucking disaster.
 
McPeachy said:
My dime:

We competed against the AFA, and SUU. And for 20 or so gametime minutes at Texas. But the demoralizing debacle against Boise...was just that. They flat pounded the living s##t out of us, and we were about as competitive as a turd going down the bowl. THAT is what frustrates me...when we don't compete like I think we should. We laid down against Boise, were vanilla as all hell, and never once showed that we were going to pull up our f##king panties and compete. That ass kicking still stings.

Now we sit at 1 & 3, and are faced with having to get it righted now, or there will be NOTHING left to play for this season. So great, we now have added pressure. That probably won't help things...but hey, Dave said he was here to win games, and "we will win games"...so Dave...it is all on you! And quite frankly, I think you can make it happen, but am pissed we are 1 & 3, with one of those "3" being a f##king disaster.

McPeachy,

I totally agree. The Boise game reminded me of the byu game last year. For some reason, we didn't show up. I would love to see us win a conference game that we were not expected to. Air force would have been that game.
 
bladerunnr said:
McPeachy said:
My dime:

We competed against the AFA, and SUU. And for 20 or so gametime minutes at Texas. But the demoralizing debacle against Boise...was just that. They flat pounded the living s##t out of us, and we were about as competitive as a turd going down the bowl. THAT is what frustrates me...when we don't compete like I think we should. We laid down against Boise, were vanilla as all hell, and never once showed that we were going to pull up our f##king panties and compete. That ass kicking still stings.

Now we sit at 1 & 3, and are faced with having to get it righted now, or there will be NOTHING left to play for this season. So great, we now have added pressure. That probably won't help things...but hey, Dave said he was here to win games, and "we will win games"...so Dave...it is all on you! And quite frankly, I think you can make it happen, but am pissed we are 1 & 3, with one of those "3" being a f##king disaster.

McPeachy,

I totally agree. The Boise game reminded me of the byu game last year. For some reason, we didn't show up. I would love to see us win a conference game that we were not expected to. Air force would have been that game.
Well, the way BYU is going, we actually have a shot at beating them this year.
 
Also call me an optimist...as I seem to be the only person who LIKED our gameplan against AF!

Seriously, AF did not expect us to go to the ground and it worked well in the first half. When you look at our team, the gameplan made perfect sense. The coached knew we had no depth (and little size) on the D-line and that AF would just wear us out and run for 600 yards if we tried to get into a shootout with them. So instead the coaches wanted to keep the clock moving in hopes of keeping the game close and giving us a chance to win it at the end of the game. Did they accomplish this goal??? YES!! Remember we trailed only by 6 with a few minutes remaining, it was apparent that at the point we would actually run the spread and throw the ball around...had it not been for the unfortunate fumble, I think we go in, score and win the game as AF is not a quick strike team.


So, call me an optimist...but the offensive play calling was very very well thought out IMO. (except for the repeated sweep to McNeil)
 
OrediggerPoke said:
So, call me an optimist...but the offensive play calling was very very well thought out IMO. (except for the repeated sweep to McNeil)

Actually, I agree with you Digger. I got frustrated with the end around like you, but overall I was pretty pleased with the effort and the gameplan. The int at the beginning and the fumble at the end killed us, and I can honestly say this time that we beat ourselves. I haven't been able to say that in a while. I can see improvement every game, and I think DC has us the boys on the right track. They'll put it together vs Toledo, and I think make a run to end the season starting at BYU.

GO POKES!
 
wellpoke said:
Actually, I agree with you Digger. I got frustrated with the end around like you, but overall I was pretty pleased with the effort and the gameplan. The int at the beginning and the fumble at the end killed us, and I can honestly say this time that we beat ourselves. I haven't been able to say that in a while. I can see improvement every game, and I think DC has us the boys on the right track. They'll put it together vs Toledo, and I think make a run to end the season starting at BYU.

GO POKES!

The gameplan was solid, I don't think anybody is questioning that (at least I am not). And to be honest, the execution wasn't real bad against AFA, but it was bad enough to lose the game. Yet, it wasn't even remotely close to that pathetic shitshow the prior week. Hell, my little girl's flag football team could have put up a bigger fight against the Broncos.

:tickedoff:
 
yes, i think if we beat toledo on the road we may be able to beat utah at home (we barely lost to them in slc last yr), and their strength of schedule is only 117, so who knows how good they really are yet.

also, if we beat toledo, i think we may be able to beat BYU in a down yr, we played AFA tougher than they did.

but i do also agree with mcpeachy & others, we need to compete with everyone, including top 5 schools. we havent done that since tiller left, (see close mid 90s losses to undefeated nebraska and BYU). i hated losing close ones but at least we were in them.

back to the afa game, if you had told me we would have the ball and a chance to win it with 3 minutes to go, i would have taken it, been happy. we have had a knack of winning those games in the past. i guess my feelings are that if we are only 6 pts worse than afa we will win a lot more games this year. i wouldn't be surprised if they beat utah by 6+. the odds on the toledo game also make me think we are close to breaking out.
 
You guys are honestly telling me that your worried about UNM, CSU and UNLV? Really? UNM has lost everything to be worried about. UNLV has coaching transition and CSU, well lets just say they've fared worse than we have so far this season. Don't tell me that CSU beating Idaho last week has you spooked? Seriously. get over it. Our Cowboys have lost to two top 5 (at the time) teams, and lost to a legit tough team in AF. To be honest. If your worried about this year, i guess you were really freaking last year when we lost to CU huh? I'd say we are better off this year. Plus we get Utah at home for the last time. Emotions will run high. And I have to say, The images of Utah coming to Laramie in 06 come to mind when we beat them 31-15. And BYU might just be a victory before they tuck tail and run aswell. And even if we happen to lose those games , I still see 6 wins and another bowl. Be honest with me here, are you all gonna whine like this if we go to a bowl at the end of this year? Because I know I'll be busting out the I told you so's. And I don't want to see any whiners saying anything then. this is really getting annoying with a lot of you.
There is a difference in stating a concern and whining.
 
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