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BYU to return to Mountain West? BYU AD: 'never say never'

ragtimejoe1 said:
I would take much greater joy in watching their program slowly die due to their arrogant decisions. It would pleasure me more to see us and our conference playing for a NY6 bowl while they slip further into irrelevance. I say to hell with the battle. Win the war. Let the bastards rot.
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^^^^^This.

Let's see if they can squirm their way into the Big 12. If not, it's going to be extremely enjoyable to see them wither on the independence vine and die or come crawling back to the MWC to beg for re-admittance.
 
On a separate note we already have byu's bedfellow (usu) in our conference. Adding byu would mean they have even more power than before. Screw that.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
On a separate note we already have byu's bedfellow (usu) in our conference. Adding byu would mean they have even more power than before. Screw that.
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Yep.

Right now they're starting to realize that their throne they think they sit on isn't as shiny as it used to be.

Give them a couple more years and they'll realize that it isn't a throne at all: it's a sawed off tree stump, all alone in the middle of a forest burning down around them.

The weasels deserve to burn.
 
Does anyone miss Blaine Fowler, Todd Christensen or any of the other countless BYU t.v. personalities talking shit about Wyoming every time we play them on t.v.? If I ever have to listen to the arrogance of their t.v. personalities spouting off Wyoming hate to all of our recruits watching on t.v. I think I'll vomit and burn down the temple in Provo.
 
Exactly and how can people forget that we were a heartbeat away from being absolutely fucked because of byu's and usu's Project. Had byu succeeded, the WAC would have survived and MWC imploded. It had devastating potential for us. Luckily Hair sniffed it out in time.
 
To me, the conference has never been the same since BYU and Utah left. Now that TCU is also gone, this is the weakest conference I can remember. BYU has a national following as well as the entire state of Utah following them.
Having them as a rival again would be great. Let's get rid of San Jose st. or Hawaii, or both of them. The long term viability of the MWC would improve dramatically if BYU was let back in. Every school In the conference would view BYU as a big game. Boise state is the only team in the league you can say that about right now.
 
I agree that conference strength is historically low right now. I agree that Hawaii and San Jose need to get punted into the middle of the Pacific ocean.

I don't agree that adding BYU right now is necessary. Right now, they will negotiate a deal that ensures they are always successful if they re-enter the league. They have all the negotiation power.

When the MWC was formed, we didn't have a dominant football program. We had a lot of above average football programs. It had a lot less garbage at the bottom of the league, but the top of the league was similar to the MWC now. Eventually, the only way to win the MWC was to finish undefeated and qualify for a BCS game. TCU was a smart addition. Utah rose up off of the Olympic committee rebuild of their athletics facilities to become dominant. The MWC became so good that the Pac 12 and B1G had to meet to dismantle us, because they couldn't compete with us on the field. That all started with a league similar to the one we have now.

The cream will rise to the top in the MWC again. If we learned anything, we should keep the league small and trim the fat from the bottom of the league. Let's get rid of the expensive trip(Hawaii) and the team that drags our conference down in basketball(SJSU). We need to contract: not expand. That environment will foster competition and allow our top teams to reach the level that TCU and Utah reached.

BYU's handful of cards gets weaker with every passing year. Eventually it might be right to add them, but only when they realize that they aren't getting a special deal. That will only come as their desperation builds and their status continues to drop.

If anything, the MWC needs to dump the garbage. We certainly don't need to add a spoiled cry baby that wants a bigger cut than everyone else because they have 40 million idiots tuned into BYU tv.
 
Junky is 100% correct. They can't come back because they won't play on an even field. Add them in with Utah State ( BYU lite) and they will have a even more power. Let them die as a program,they deserve it. Hell, I wish we didn't have to play any school from Utah.
 
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
What was this BYU/USU deal and how do they have any "power" over anything? I'm out of the loop I guess
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It was dubbed "the project" and usu's president gleefully wrote in emails about how Kustra's world was crumbling around him. In a nutshell, byu had not announced indy and was in the process. The WAC was the best option for olympic sports. They knew once they left, the MWC was try to reload with WAC teams so they demanded a 5 mill exit penalty for all WAC teams to screw over the MWC. Rumors were that they and Benson were soliciting UNLV and SUDS as well as BSU. Had it succeeded, the MWC would have been screwed big-time.

byu is a butt-hurt egotistical maniac with no regard for anything but feeding their ego. You don't allow something like that back in. They are not going to get into a P5 and indy isn't sustainable. They need refuge in the MWC until they figure out another alternative to feed their ego. Likely, they group with their little brother usu and get BSU on board for some sort of East-West conference. They take those 3 and get 3 others to follow (FSU, SUDS, UNLV, or something) to partner with Cinci, UCONN, et. al. in the East. It would take time and may not be successful, but I will guarantee that whatever byu works towards would not be in the best interest of WYO.

The game has changed. Do we need them to get the NY6 bid? No. Do they increase our bball bids? No. Do they significantly increase our financial bottom line? No. There simply is no reason to risk adding byu. It only helps them.
 
They help with the ny6 bid and would definitely have bumped the mwc up a bid in basketball. They would help the conference in competitiveness, but they will screw over everyone else in this conference to improve their opportunities with no hesitation. The only way they are back in is with a huge buy in and an even bigger buyout. Half of me wants them in so I can root against them more than I do now and the other half wants them to rot in the bed they made.
 
We earned the NY6 bid without byu and our average number of bids has been the same since they left. The league just had a down year last year.

byu does nothing for us. You don't invite a snake into your home. There has yet to be a villain imagined that is as bad as byu.
 
As much satisfaction as it would give me to break it off in byu in Provo every other year, it's just not a smart move for the conference. We have absolutely nothing to gain. As others have mentioned we would have to cater to their every whim if they are let back in. I say let 'em rot.
 
Cowboy Junky said:
I agree that conference strength is historically low right now. I agree that Hawaii and San Jose need to get punted into the middle of the Pacific ocean.

When the MWC was formed, we didn't have a dominant football program. We had a lot of above average football programs. It had a lot less garbage at the bottom of the league, but the top of the league was similar to the MWC now. Eventually, the only way to win the MWC was to finish undefeated and qualify for a BCS game. TCU was a smart addition. Utah rose up off of the Olympic committee rebuild of their athletics facilities to become dominant. The MWC became so good that the Pac 12 and B1G had to meet to dismantle us, because they couldn't compete with us on the field. That all started with a league similar to the one we have now.

The cream will rise to the top in the MWC again. If we learned anything, we should keep the league small and trim the fat from the bottom of the league. Let's get rid of the expensive trip(Hawaii) and the SJSU

If anything, the MWC needs to dump the garbage.
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Sorry, but the irony of these statements makes me laugh.
You do realize both of these teams beat us right?
You realize we are "that team" right? Picked to finish in the bottom two. The team that other teams currently see the schedule and view it is a bye week. The cream will rise, but as of Saturday, Aug 22 @ 9:18 AM, we are the dead weight in most people's view outside (and even inside) the conf. Us preaching about ridding dead weight is ironic.

UW will never reach TCU Utah prominence. And that's ok. That's just reality. Currently there is BSU, then everyone less. Even then, it has taken over a decade of constant winning.
 
djm19 said:
Cowboy Junky said:
I agree that conference strength is historically low right now. I agree that Hawaii and San Jose need to get punted into the middle of the Pacific ocean.

When the MWC was formed, we didn't have a dominant football program. We had a lot of above average football programs. It had a lot less garbage at the bottom of the league, but the top of the league was similar to the MWC now. Eventually, the only way to win the MWC was to finish undefeated and qualify for a BCS game. TCU was a smart addition. Utah rose up off of the Olympic committee rebuild of their athletics facilities to become dominant. The MWC became so good that the Pac 12 and B1G had to meet to dismantle us, because they couldn't compete with us on the field. That all started with a league similar to the one we have now.

The cream will rise to the top in the MWC again. If we learned anything, we should keep the league small and trim the fat from the bottom of the league. Let's get rid of the expensive trip(Hawaii) and the SJSU

If anything, the MWC needs to dump the garbage.
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Sorry, but the irony of these statements makes me laugh.
You do realize both of these teams beat us right?
You realize we are "that team" right? Picked to finish in the bottom two. The team that other teams currently see the schedule and view it is a bye week. The cream will rise, but as of Saturday, Aug 22 @ 9:18 AM, we are the dead weight in most people's view outside (and even inside) the conf. Us preaching about ridding dead weight is ironic.

UW will never reach TCU Utah prominence. And that's ok. That's just reality. Currently there is BSU, then everyone less. Even then, it has taken over a decade of constant winning.
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I agree with everything except this statement. Its not ok. It pisses me off. Why can every other school in this geographical area of the country find success while we mire in shittyness (SP?)? I refuse to believe we CAN'T make a step to a BSU type level. We will never be Alabama or Ohio State, but I think Bohl can get us to a point where we're the team to beat, we're the team bummed by an 8 win season. Not this year, and probably not next, but I think within Bohl's first 4 years we will see a shift in perception and on the field performance.
 
It is okay that we never get to Utah, TCU, or BSU levels? Is that you Tommy?

For hell's sake. We can get there and it is not okay if we don't.
 
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
djm19 said:
Cowboy Junky said:
I agree that conference strength is historically low right now. I agree that Hawaii and San Jose need to get punted into the middle of the Pacific ocean.

When the MWC was formed, we didn't have a dominant football program. We had a lot of above average football programs. It had a lot less garbage at the bottom of the league, but the top of the league was similar to the MWC now. Eventually, the only way to win the MWC was to finish undefeated and qualify for a BCS game. TCU was a smart addition. Utah rose up off of the Olympic committee rebuild of their athletics facilities to become dominant. The MWC became so good that the Pac 12 and B1G had to meet to dismantle us, because they couldn't compete with us on the field. That all started with a league similar to the one we have now.

The cream will rise to the top in the MWC again. If we learned anything, we should keep the league small and trim the fat from the bottom of the league. Let's get rid of the expensive trip(Hawaii) and the SJSU

If anything, the MWC needs to dump the garbage.
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Sorry, but the irony of these statements makes me laugh.
You do realize both of these teams beat us right?
You realize we are "that team" right? Picked to finish in the bottom two. The team that other teams currently see the schedule and view it is a bye week. The cream will rise, but as of Saturday, Aug 22 @ 9:18 AM, we are the dead weight in most people's view outside (and even inside) the conf. Us preaching about ridding dead weight is ironic.

UW will never reach TCU Utah prominence. And that's ok. That's just reality. Currently there is BSU, then everyone less. Even then, it has taken over a decade of constant winning.
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I agree with everything except this statement. Its not ok. It pisses me off. Why can every other school in this geographical area of the country find success while we mire in shittyness (SP?)? I refuse to believe we CAN'T make a step to a BSU type level. We will never be Alabama or Ohio State, but I think Bohl can get us to a point where we're the team to beat, we're the team bummed by an 8 win season. Not this year, and probably not next, but I think within Bohl's first 4 years we will see a shift in perception and on the field performance.
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I think you are right with Wyo having the ability to become the new team to beat.
Like you said, not this season, but we can make a big step this season.
The Pokes have a great chance to win a lot of games this season due to the amount of 50/50 toss-up games on the schedule. If the Pokes can come out on top of most of those close games and win a bowl game, they can hit a 9 win mark this season.

9 wins against a shitty schedule yes, but 9 wins at the end of the day.
Then a similar schedule next season. Swap Wazzu for Nebraska. Swap North Dakota for Cal Davis. Swap Appy State for Northern Illinois (in Laramie). Same 8 MWC teams. Same EMU team.

Really this season (2015) and next season (2016) have incredibly similar schedules. 8 MWC teams. 1 EMU. 1 FCS. 1 P5. 1 other G5.

If the Pokes want to make some noise, now is the time to do it. 15 wins over the next two seasons should be a good mark to hit. Anything above that would be great.
That could help the Pokes climb to a bigger level. But, fail now, and we are screwed for a really long time.
 
djm19 said:
Cowboy Junky said:
I agree that conference strength is historically low right now. I agree that Hawaii and San Jose need to get punted into the middle of the Pacific ocean.

When the MWC was formed, we didn't have a dominant football program. We had a lot of above average football programs. It had a lot less garbage at the bottom of the league, but the top of the league was similar to the MWC now. Eventually, the only way to win the MWC was to finish undefeated and qualify for a BCS game. TCU was a smart addition. Utah rose up off of the Olympic committee rebuild of their athletics facilities to become dominant. The MWC became so good that the Pac 12 and B1G had to meet to dismantle us, because they couldn't compete with us on the field. That all started with a league similar to the one we have now.

The cream will rise to the top in the MWC again. If we learned anything, we should keep the league small and trim the fat from the bottom of the league. Let's get rid of the expensive trip(Hawaii) and the SJSU

If anything, the MWC needs to dump the garbage.
Click to expand...


Sorry, but the irony of these statements makes me laugh.
You do realize both of these teams beat us right?
You realize we are "that team" right? Picked to finish in the bottom two. The team that other teams currently see the schedule and view it is a bye week. The cream will rise, but as of Saturday, Aug 22 @ 9:18 AM, we are the dead weight in most people's view outside (and even inside) the conf. Us preaching about ridding dead weight is ironic.

UW will never reach TCU Utah prominence. And that's ok. That's just reality. Currently there is BSU, then everyone less. Even then, it has taken over a decade of constant winning.
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Who cares who beat us. I think everyone will agree that we're not anywhere near our ceiling for competition or success. San Jose has an RPI of 330+ in basketball, every season. They cost the MWC a bid to the dance every year. Even when they're having a successful season for their football standards they still draw(I don't care what they report) close to 10,000. They have no history in this conference and no ambition/ability to make things better. They are a damned anchor to the league.

Hawaii is in the middle of the Pacific ocean. It's a trip that you almost always lose, regardless of the quality of their team because of the unique travel challenges and time zone differences. They don't add anything to the MWC and are only an affiliated member.

TCU in the Wac 16 was god awful. They we're an anchor to their conference for twenty years. They decided to invest more and through some shrewd moves they built their program to a nationally dominant one. Utah was an average Wac/MWC team until the olympic committee built them a new stadium. They spun that investment into a ticket to the Pac 12.

Adding a whole bunch of mouths to feed didn't elevate the old Wac. It turned it into the disaster known as the Wac 16. Bigger isn't better when it comes to the mountain time zone and football. When we formed the MWC, we eliminated the dead weight and it elevated Utah, TCU to big 5 leagues while making the MWC one of the most successful football leagues in America.

Bending over to the Borg and allowing them to cut a special deal will only ensure that BYU dominates us in conference for the next 30 years while taking all the benefits/profits for themselves.

We need to worry about our own league and our own team. Adding a crap load of bad teams like SJSU and Hawaii has cost us a yearly bid to the NCAA tournament while ensuring we have one more team to cut into the conference profits.

We need to learn from our recent history. The Wac 16 was an unmitigated disaster. The MWC(eight teams until we added TCU) led to two of our teams getting invited to the big five because the Pac 12 and B1G couldn't compete with our champion on the field of play.

San Joser and Hawaii have no business in this league. Nor does BYU with an agenda to pimp us out for their own benefit.
 
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