Burman

[NowherePoke]

First off Schroyer didn't recruit hardly any of those players on the championship basketball team he wasn't even coaching with UW until the NCAA tournament year. He was at byu before that.

Second if you want to blame Burman for the bad BB hire which we all agree on and the mediocre football which we would like to be better, then give him credit for the positives he has done too.

Football counting 2012 he has 37 overall wins ten better than the seven years before he arrived. Better but we all agree not where we want to be

Girls BBall WNIT champs
Wrestling tournament champs the last four years and conference champs in three seasons
Volleyball has been improved and the violations it seems are from the coach only
Soccer has improved

Facility improvements:
War Memorial
UniWyo Sports Complex
IPF
Tennis
Golf
Soccer
Fieldhouse

Overall I think Burman has done a good job. Besides who wants to go back to the prairie gold?

McPeachy mostly covered it. Very few of the items you ascribe to Burman were actually achieved by him and some of them are negatives, not positives. The volleyball program mired in NCAA sanctions after Burman hired a coach from Memphis who had previously been involved in NCAA violations. If that happened in a revenue sport, everyone would be in up in arms about how Wyoming hired a cheater and got what they deserved as a result (not that I think what Yerty did was that bad to be honest, it's the stupidity of the situation that bothers me).

We have 3 sports that are consistently successful:

Women's Basketball - Joe Legerski - not a Burman hire
Swimming and Diving - Tom Johnson - not a Burman hire
Wrestling - Mark Branch - Burman's best hire, but easy to do when just fully funding the program makes you a Top 30 program.

We range from mediocre to awful in the remaining sports.

We are the laughingstock of the MWC and are continually held up as such due to our lack of conference titles. Everybody else in the league (including Fresno in just one year) dominates us by that measure.

 

[thirtyseven]

I understand that some of the fundraising and planning happened before Burman but it remains a fact that he is the one who has overseen the projects. As far as loosing a coach to the Pac 12 what coach at Wyoming would not leave for a Pac 12 job other than Legerski? And we know his roots are in WY.

You are probably the same people who wanted our best basketball coach (McClain) in 25 years fired b/c of a couple bad seasons.

I will ask you the same question about Burman that I asked people about McClain. Who are you going to get? Who do you know out there who will be better? Who knows the culture of Wyoming better?

 

[ELKMT]

Thirty Seven, Burman fired McClain and wanted to make a coach change there when he started as an AD. Surely we can find an AD who wouldn't fire our best coach in 25 years and replace him with the worst hire of all time? Burman needs to go, let the new AD evaluate DC.

 

[McPeachy]

I understand that some of the fundraising and planning happened before Burman but it remains a fact that he is the one who has overseen the projects. As far as loosing a coach to the Pac 12 what coach at Wyoming would not leave for a Pac 12 job other than Legerski? And we know his roots are in WY.

You are probably the same people who wanted our best basketball coach (McClain) in 25 years fired b/c of a couple bad seasons.

I will ask you the same question about Burman that I asked people about McClain. Who are you going to get? Who do you know out there who will be better? Who knows the culture of Wyoming better?

He didn't oversee the projects. The UW facilities, planning, engineering, construction, marketing, etc., departments oversaw the projects. He wasn't involved, with the exception of an occasional "update" from the above mentioned teams.

As far as the Pac 12 deal (soccer) - that had nothing to do with it. Salary - to - Salary UW was right there, but there was some underlying tones and lack of management (as far as the AD department as a whole) that shoved Danny out the door. Just because it is a Pac 12 job, doesn't make it better (for many reasons). And that doesn't explain the previous (very qualified) coach being fired either.

I think that BuckyMac lost it at UW, so yes. Could he have regained it, with the right support from the AD department - absolutely. Why Heathbar was given the resources that BuckyMac wasn't, is another slam against Burman. Burman had a hard-on for BuckyMac, and he wanted his boy at UW - Heathbar. If anything, Burman should have lost his job from this series of events alone! You are help making my case for getting rid of Burman, by bringing up Bucky.

There are many, many candidates to take over at Wyoming. We need a go-getter, a visionary, a Jack Graham. We don't need somebody that knows the culture, we need somebody that can CHANGE the current culture! Tom has failed on numerous accounts, and has more failures that successes. Buchanan was passive with Burman, and I don't really know why. I don't know many careers / jobs you can have these days, and succeed <50% of the time and still get a paycheck.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

There are many, many candidates to take over at Wyoming. We need a go-getter, a visionary, a Jack Graham.

I don't think we need anybody like Jack Graham. We need a visionary and I would not put Jack Graham in that category. I think there are plenty of candidates out there. The only reason Burman has the job is because is a Wyoming native. I supported the hire but am extremely disappointed in what he has accomplished or should I say his lack of accomplishments.

He should have been fired for the Schroyer debacle. The Cowboy Joe Club is a mess with no continuity in that department. And I love the seat tax you have to pay now to CJC for good seats in a half full arena or stadium. Makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[WyoAlum1987]

Better than Burman?
Hell we dont even need to recruit to do that. We could just run em though the chute and pick one-cuz we cant hardly do worse

 

[NowherePoke]

I understand that some of the fundraising and planning happened before Burman but it remains a fact that he is the one who has overseen the projects. As far as loosing a coach to the Pac 12 what coach at Wyoming would not leave for a Pac 12 job other than Legerski? And we know his roots are in WY.

You are probably the same people who wanted our best basketball coach (McClain) in 25 years fired b/c of a couple bad seasons.

I will ask you the same question about Burman that I asked people about McClain. Who are you going to get? Who do you know out there who will be better? Who knows the culture of Wyoming better?

He didn't oversee the projects. The UW facilities, planning, engineering, construction, marketing, etc., departments oversaw the projects. He wasn't involved, with the exception of an occasional "update" from the above mentioned teams.

As far as the Pac 12 deal (soccer) - that had nothing to do with it. Salary - to - Salary UW was right there, but there was some underlying tones and lack of management (as far as the AD department as a whole) that shoved Danny out the door. Just because it is a Pac 12 job, doesn't make it better (for many reasons). And that doesn't explain the previous (very qualified) coach being fired either.

I think that BuckyMac lost it at UW, so yes. Could he have regained it, with the right support from the AD department - absolutely. Why Heathbar was given the resources that BuckyMac wasn't, is another slam against Burman. Burman had a hard-on for BuckyMac, and he wanted his boy at UW - Heathbar. If anything, Burman should have lost his job from this series of events alone! You are help making my case for getting rid of Burman, by bringing up Bucky.

There are many, many candidates to take over at Wyoming. We need a go-getter, a visionary, a Jack Graham. We don't need somebody that knows the culture, we need somebody that can CHANGE the current culture! Tom has failed on numerous accounts, and has more failures that successes. Buchanan was passive with Burman, and I don't really know why. I don't know many careers / jobs you can have these days, and succeed <50% of the time and still get a paycheck.

+1

 

[BJC]

I understand state dollars, there are going to be issues and obstacles. There should be. I'm a state employee in Colorado which essentially has been broke for a long time. If CSU gets a shiny stadium after state employees have had one raise in 7 years I'm going to shit a chicken. Our pay makes Wyoming state employee pay look reasonable and Denver is a little spendier of a place to live than Cheyenne. CSU is mobilizing (trying, and succeeding maybe not as quickly as they would like) their PRIVATE donors. They will get this done eventually. They will. They have less donors with less money than we do. We have lots of small boosters, but you know there are some big dogs out there. You don't think that if Burman (he doesn't) had a grand vision of a Wyoming that is TOP in the conference in athletics budget with dreams for a top basketball facility in the NATION and a top flight coaching staff with furthered football facility improvements, and programs that are expected to compete for championships instead of overachieving considering our bang for our buck mantra that we have now that you, me, and other private donors wouldn't open up the checkbook and say "tell me more"? Wyoming is breaking fundraising records with shit programs in just about every sport and no vision whatsoever. How have schools like Louisville, TCU, Baylor, Utah, Rutgers HELL even Texas State gotten so much better and we tread water? Texas State, LasCruces, are you crazy? Are they world beaters? No, but 3 years ago they were FCS with a 10,0000 seat stadium. Now they have a big named coach, a beautiful new 30,000+ stadium with luxury boxes, and they will continue to get better. Are you telling me that poor old Wyoming lacks the fanbase and donor support of Texas State University San Marco with a billion other teams in Texas to root and play for??? BULLSHIT! How is it these schools have ascended into big-time in college football? It helps that some of them have in-state talent no doubt, but there is so much competition for those Texas kids...MONEY, LEADERSHIP, AND COMMITTMENT TO IMPROVEMENT AND EXCELLENCE. Oh, and our state coffers are full. Another land-grant afterthought school in a little town that has ascended with albeit major donor support and a little bit of controversy? Oklahoma State....Oh hey Pres!

AGREE! Tired of hearing "can't recruit to wyo etc" Facilities......mtns!...close to Denver...etc etc..CFB is changing and lets not have wyo left behind......and seriously.....good reference to Stillwater.....lets make Wyo a destination....sorry about the rant!