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Burman

The president has an email address. This is Wyoming. We can talk to our officials and they will listen. I have emailed Burman on more than one occasion and always gotten a response. The pres needs to hear what the perception of the common booster is and what we want the mindset of our athletic department to be going forward.
 
LasCrucesPoke said:
I just think his lack of vision and reactionary ways bother people. I would like a guy maybe not quite as exuberant as CSU's AD, but at least he thinks and dreams big instead of a "well, we're Wyoming so" mentality that Burman has with always plenty of excuses. We all know there are challenges to being Wyoming but we don't want to hear about them, we know what they are. We want to hear how we're going to overcome them or how we are overcoming them. A lot of people have challenges, but don't make excuses. Burman makes a living with those excuses. He has been responsible for some nice renovations, also give Glenn credit for that. Why are we shooting for top facility in the region when we should be shooting for top facility in the nation? Oh, yeah cause we're just Wyoming... and we should just be thankful for what we have...
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Nailed it.

My further thoughts (although I am certain everyone already knows):

I believe Burman has dummied down the position and job - to a manageable level. He, and his staff, are only going to work as hard as they need to, for little 'ol Wyoming. You know - doing "more with less" bullshit. There is no fire, no go-getter, no vision, no asprirations to be the best (even in the shitty MWC), nothing. All the facility stuff (Wildcatter, RAC, IPF, etc.) was WAY before Burman, and can be attributed to Joe Glenn and Gary Barta, and Phil Dubois as well. Hell I would question whether the AA was in the works prior to Burman - and would ask what Burman has in future planning 10 - 15 years down the road...as a real AD department should have / know. His hires on his staff are questionable as well - from top to bottom - and he even has a handful of retreads that have no business trying to run a D1 athletic program - NO BUSINESS! I could go on, and on, and on...

:willybs: :tickedoff: :evil:
 
I'd like to also clarify that although I suggested a new mantra of: "Here at Wyoming we play for Championships', that I'm more than aware that playing for a 'championship' each & every year is simply not possible.

However, this 'mantra' (or something similar to it) must become a consistent state of mind and it must be ingrained into the entire University Athletic department 365 days a year, year after year after year.

The goal and objective HAS TO BE on being the best and striving to be the best at all times even when you don't finish first.

Only an enormous cultural and institutional change at Wyoming, throwing off the shackles of an attitude that suggests doing enough to get by is acceptable...only when this mentality is thrown out the door for good can Wyoming ever hope to be much more than what they have been: mediocre to sub-mediocre.

If the current administration is not interested in wholesale changes in attitude and in expectations - then throw them out and bring in some fresh new blood who won't be satisfied with living in a status-quo world in Laramie.

They need to hold a press conference and announce that Wyoming Football & Basketball (I don't care about any other sports) has reached the dawning of a new day in Laramie.

Anything less and we're all wasting each others time.
 
CSU is building a 100 Million dollar stadium, but all I hear from our athletic dept. is - "Our budget won't allow that" - which is used as an excuse for every failure in our athletic dept. It is my understanding that Wyoming has had budget surpluses in the billions, while Colorado's state budget is in negative numbers.
 
WYCowboy said:
CSU is building a 100 Million dollar stadium, but all I hear from our athletic dept. is - "Our budget won't allow that" - which is used as an excuse for every failure in our athletic dept. It is my understanding that Wyoming has had budget surpluses in the billions, while Colorado's state budget is in negative numbers.
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And I hope they build that palace, I hope they win a lot of games, draw big crowds, become the kind of program with the kind of vision I'd love to see Wyoming acquire...in my way of thinking the better CSU does, the more pressure it puts on the administration in Laramie to 'Cowboy Up'...to keep up. Great post, WYCowboy!
 
WYCowboy said:
CSU is building a 100 Million dollar stadium, but all I hear from our athletic dept. is - "Our budget won't allow that" - which is used as an excuse for every failure in our athletic dept. It is my understanding that Wyoming has had budget surpluses in the billions, while Colorado's state budget is in negative numbers.
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More like a 250 million dollar, on campus, stadium at CSewe.

And why would Burman and his lame duck staff want to work that hard, to get to a budget figure of even 50 million? Let alone, a budget figure that would compete with shit teams like Iowa State (etc)!

The guy (Burman) has gone on record many times, saying how he likes where UW's budget falls in the new landscape of the MWC - and that he feels we fit good there, instead of having to try and grow the budget to compete with former conference mates Utah, bWHYu, TCU.
 
WYCowboy said:
CSU is building a 100 Million dollar stadium, but all I hear from our athletic dept. is - "Our budget won't allow that" - which is used as an excuse for every failure in our athletic dept. It is my understanding that Wyoming has had budget surpluses in the billions, while Colorado's state budget is in negative numbers.
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The legislature controls the money not the athletic department. Unfortunately, the majority of Wyoming people do not feel as strongly about the necessity of a strong athletics program as we do here. It is a short sighted view but that is the current reality.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
The legislature controls the money not the athletic department. Unfortunately, the majority of Wyoming people do not feel as strongly about the necessity of a strong athletics program as we do here. It is a short sighted view but that is the current reality.
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True. But that mentality is everywhere Ore, in every state. It isn't new (and exclusive) to Wyoming. We need a complete makeover and way of thinking change.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
WYCowboy said:
CSU is building a 100 Million dollar stadium, but all I hear from our athletic dept. is - "Our budget won't allow that" - which is used as an excuse for every failure in our athletic dept. It is my understanding that Wyoming has had budget surpluses in the billions, while Colorado's state budget is in negative numbers.
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The legislature controls the money not the athletic department. Unfortunately, the majority of Wyoming people do not feel as strongly about the necessity of a strong athletics program as we do here. It is a short sighted view but that is the current reality.
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The coaches, the AD, the UW President, the Trustees, & the legislators who do support UW and it's athletic department need to harass the state legislature and governor unmercifully until it gets some results or makes headlines on media all over the state/country. The present mindset is "out of hearing or sight, out of mind". Our present athletic department doesn't want to ruffle any feathers.
 
This thread is an eye opener. Even though I am very good at what I do....I fear for my job on a daily basis. I work my ass off and go above and beyond what is expected to me. And the fact our AD appears to be content pisses me off. You are a Wyoming graduate and from the state of Wyoming....why in the hell wouldn't you want to do the best to make the University of Wyoming the best is can be. You should be ashamed of yourself if you're just collecting a paycheck. Start with getting rid of gold and bring back skiing. Bring back a sport in which we can actually win national titles in instead of finished 8th in a tournament in which the best score in school history is achieved. Make football the #1 priority. And get us back on track to what we once were. Make us proud....or get off the pot.

Go Pokes!!
 
I understand state dollars, there are going to be issues and obstacles. There should be. I'm a state employee in Colorado which essentially has been broke for a long time. If CSU gets a shiny stadium after state employees have had one raise in 7 years I'm going to shit a chicken. Our pay makes Wyoming state employee pay look reasonable and Denver is a little spendier of a place to live than Cheyenne. CSU is mobilizing (trying, and succeeding maybe not as quickly as they would like) their PRIVATE donors. They will get this done eventually. They will. They have less donors with less money than we do. We have lots of small boosters, but you know there are some big dogs out there. You don't think that if Burman (he doesn't) had a grand vision of a Wyoming that is TOP in the conference in athletics budget with dreams for a top basketball facility in the NATION and a top flight coaching staff with furthered football facility improvements, and programs that are expected to compete for championships instead of overachieving considering our bang for our buck mantra that we have now that you, me, and other private donors wouldn't open up the checkbook and say "tell me more"? Wyoming is breaking fundraising records with shit programs in just about every sport and no vision whatsoever. How have schools like Louisville, TCU, Baylor, Utah, Rutgers HELL even Texas State gotten so much better and we tread water? Texas State, LasCruces, are you crazy? Are they world beaters? No, but 3 years ago they were FCS with a 10,0000 seat stadium. Now they have a big named coach, a beautiful new 30,000+ stadium with luxury boxes, and they will continue to get better. Are you telling me that poor old Wyoming lacks the fanbase and donor support of Texas State University San Marco with a billion other teams in Texas to root and play for??? BULLSHIT! How is it these schools have ascended into big-time in college football? It helps that some of them have in-state talent no doubt, but there is so much competition for those Texas kids...MONEY, LEADERSHIP, AND COMMITTMENT TO IMPROVEMENT AND EXCELLENCE. Oh, and our state coffers are full. Another land-grant afterthought school in a little town that has ascended with albeit major donor support and a little bit of controversy? Oklahoma State....Oh hey Pres!
 
Some great comments in this thread. One comment I heard from Burman in an interview last year apparently sums up his sentiments and dovetails with comments made on this board:

"We know who we are."

Really, Tom?

Coaches and athletes will read or hear about these types of comments from the AD. How does this play into their mindsets?

A lot of good things have happened or are happening, facilities-wise, at UW. Sports-wise, WBB is in good hands. So is wrestling. We're hoping Papa Shy can get the Pokes back to being a tough out (while possibly turning it up a notch on the recruiting trail in the future.) I don't know what to think about football right now.

I just wished at times Burman's verbal messages were more of the "top of the mountain" type with regards to all-around expectations.
 
First off Schroyer didn't recruit hardly any of those players on the championship basketball team he wasn't even coaching with UW until the NCAA tournament year. He was at byu before that.

Second if you want to blame Burman for the bad BB hire which we all agree on and the mediocre football which we would like to be better, then give him credit for the positives he has done too.

Football counting 2012 he has 37 overall wins ten better than the seven years before he arrived. Better but we all agree not where we want to be

Girls BBall WNIT champs
Wrestling tournament champs the last four years and conference champs in three seasons
Volleyball has been improved and the violations it seems are from the coach only
Soccer has improved

Facility improvements:
War Memorial
UniWyo Sports Complex
IPF
Tennis
Golf
Soccer
Fieldhouse

Overall I think Burman has done a good job. Besides who wants to go back to the prairie gold?
 
thirtyseven said:
First off Schroyer didn't recruit hardly any of those players on the championship basketball team he wasn't even coaching with UW until the NCAA tournament year. He was at byu before that.

Second if you want to blame Burman for the bad BB hire which we all agree on and the mediocre football which we would like to be better, then give him credit for the positives he has done too.

Football counting 2012 he has 37 overall wins ten better than the seven years before he arrived. Better but we all agree not where we want to be

Girls BBall WNIT champs
Wrestling tournament champs the last four years and conference champs in three seasons
Volleyball has been improved and the violations it seems are from the coach only
Soccer has improved

Facility improvements:
War Memorial
UniWyo Sports Complex
IPF
Tennis
Golf
Soccer
Fieldhouse

Overall I think Burman has done a good job. Besides who wants to go back to the prairie gold?
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He hired Schroyer, that should have been the end of Burman. He then gave Schroyer an extension, he should have been fired for that mistake. I don't if DC was or is a bad hire, can't figure this one out but I am losing patience with trying to figure it out.

You want to give credit to improved volleyball and soccer? Yippee, just what I value in a quality Athletic Department. Where is the money made? Have we had success in either sport over the last 10 years?

Sure he hired Shyatt but did even consider anyone else? He had boosters telling him that Shyatt should have been hired instead of Schroyer. So he pacified those boosters, I am sure it wasn't his idea.

Facility improvements are great but once again does he deserve any of the credit for those? Almost all the improvements we have seen over the last 10 years were in the capital facilities plan long before Burman became AD. I would be curious to see what vision he has for future improvements outside of the documented capital facilities plans.

Kudos for bringing back gameday gold. That is about all I can truly give him credit for accomplishing in 10 years.

Overall, he has not done what needs to be done to lead UW to the top of the Mountain West Conference in any sport or any aspect of athletics. I vote for a change.
 
thirtyseven said:
Girls BBall WNIT champs **Not A Burman Hire**

Wrestling tournament champs the last four years and conference champs in three seasons **True - Woot!**

Volleyball has been improved and the violations it seems are from the coach only **Not Really - Burman hired Yerty**

Soccer has improved **Not Really - Burman fired a good coach and lost another**

Facility improvements:

War Memorial **Well Before Burman**

UniWyo Sports Complex **Well Before Burman - Thank Noble / Barta for the FIB Donation**

IPF **Thank Barta & Glenn**

Tennis **Thank Barta & Glenn**

Golf **True - Woot, and thank you Hearn**

Soccer **See Above - Burman Fired a great coach, and lost another to CU**

Fieldhouse **Huh? - Place is a run down Asbestos filled nightmare**

Overall I think Burman has done a good job. Besides who wants to go back to the prairie gold? **Thank Coach DC & Nike**
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This thread has proven one thing clearly - and that is that WYOMING fans are passionate and are sick and tired of the status quo and want and expect more...MUCH more.

I applaud you all, and its my hope that keep bringing the hits here.

GREAT stuff.
 
Admirable passion, which is great. But to get a lot better relatively quickly, given where we are in the scheme of college athletics, we need two thing:

1. A lot more money, and

2. Lower academic standards.

That's not going to happen so, as many of you suggest, we have to focus on incremental changes.
 
SnowyRange said:
Admirable passion, which is great. But to get a lot better relatively quickly, given where we are in the scheme of college athletics, we need two thing:

1. A lot more money, and

2. Lower academic standards.

That's not going to happen so, as many of you suggest, we have to focus on incremental changes.
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Quality coaches and athletic department personnel would be a start.
 
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