BSU @ UW : Game Thread

[r12]

  Not like UW isn't putting anything into the programs in terms of facilities, coaches, etc. and it almost goes beyond reasoning that they can consistently be this bad.

Maybe coaches and facilities aren't the problem.

 

[HiCountryCowboy]

Embarrassing for sure. I worry more about providing Bohl the resources he needs than anything else. I have 0 confidence in our Administration's ability to do so.

Hopefully Bohl can succeed despite our administration.

Exactly!

But we did almost beat Nebraska last year so their is that for the admin to hang their hat on for the next 25 years or so.

 

[laxwyo]

Wasn't tommy 4-4 for 70 yds and some rushing yards before he threw pick 6? Jesus, he hasn't gotten to play all year. I thought he looked pretty good

 

[Adv8RU12]

I hate to be a downer, but this will look exactly the same next year against the top tier teams. Why? Because the offense is to old fashioned - too predictable - too old school smash-mouth style. Works in D-II because of the caliber of players Bohl could get relative to other D-II schools. Doesn't work in D-I.

Seems to work for teams like Alabama.

I should have expanded my last sentence by "Doesn't work in D-I at a place like Wyoming against top tier teams".
No way can Wyoming recruit the caliber of players that Alabama does.

 

[fromolwyoming]

I hate to be a downer, but this will look exactly the same next year against the top tier teams. Why? Because the offense is to old fashioned - too predictable - too old school smash-mouth style. Works in D-II because of the caliber of players Bohl could get relative to other D-II schools. Doesn't work in D-I.

Seems to work for teams like Alabama.

I should have expanded my last sentence by "Doesn't work in D-I at a place like Wyoming against top tier teams".
No way can Wyoming recruit the caliber of players that Alabama does.

SDSU has been pretty successful. If they could just find a decent QB, they would be set. And Bohl made it work pretty damn good at NDSU, turning them into a juggernaut and even rolling through teams like K-State. Give him time to get his players into the system. Right now, he's been working with players who had been recruited and playing in a spread offense for the last 5 years. It takes time to transition. Already, some of the players he's brought in have made some pretty big impacts. Brian Hill being the most obvious, but also true freshmen Ryan Cummings at LT has been pretty solid. Defense, well, they were practically ignored under DC for 5 years, it takes time to correct that.

The biggest thing right now is the o-line. The o-line for the spread offense is going to be smaller, but quicker (supposedly, though that didn't happen very well under DC). The o-line for the pro-style offense depends more on size and power. So once we can get linemen more suited to the pro-style offense, it should start getting better.

 

[mwc fan]

Wasn't tommy 4-4 for 70 yds and some rushing yards before he threw pick 6? Jesus, he hasn't gotten to play all year. I thought he looked pretty good

He did look pretty good, then the pick and some bad throws made him look bad. He did start out well though. I feel bad for Ruffran though, no Tds all year so far. Also Hills legs look tired, he's lost his burst from getting over worked. Next week will be tough without Kirk although i heard A coach say we do get wick back, which will definitely help the offense against New Mexico. This will be a game for pride and to avoid being dead last in the Mountain div. If we only hit that fg against San Jose this game would actually mean something. Crap!!!!

 

[HiCountryCowboy]

Wasn't tommy 4-4 for 70 yds and some rushing yards before he threw pick 6? Jesus, he hasn't gotten to play all year. I thought he looked pretty good

He did look pretty good, then the pick and some bad throws made him look bad. He did start out well though. I feel bad for Ruffran though, no Tds all year so far. Also Hills legs look tired, he's lost his burst from getting over worked. Next week will be tough without Kirk although i heard A coach say we do get wick back, which will definitely help the offense against New Mexico. This will be a game for pride and to avoid being dead last in the Mountain div. If we only hit that fg against San Jose this game would actually mean something. Crap!!!!

Rufran only has himself to blame. Dropped a perfectly thrown ball on his outside shoulder that likely would've gone for six. Seniors can't do that.

 

[Slow Hand]

I hate to say I told you so but I am going to.... ha ha. Realistically we won't beat good teams with this style of offense because it stagnates the offensive point production and the dated "Tampa Two" defense can't stop anyone without great athletes. Coach Bohl's system took the strength of our team and made it irrelevant. Our receiving corps was average at best and that can only be accredited to the scheme because we had relatively the same athletes as years before. I like Coach Bohl but he has to step into this century if he wants to beat teams at the D1 level consistently. Now I am not advocating a hurry up offense but I am saying that we have to mix up a little new with the old. Interestingly enough when DC was here everyone put the blame on the offense because they put the defense on the field too much....now I am hearing people say that the running backs' legs look tired, the receivers can't get separation, the O-line can't get it done, they aren't in good enough shape........yada yada yada! Sounds like the same ol' shit with a different melody to me. On another note the high incidents of injuries have to be looked at! When have we ever had this many ACL and over use injuries in the history of our program? Having a vision is one thing but trying to reach it in one season is ludicrous! The volume of reps and the expectations in spring ball and during the season is incredible. Most of you have NO IDEA what the players endure. Many of the overuse injuries like stress fractures and strains are not even publicized on the official injury list because the players could be considered "not relevant." In other words they don't play on Sat. Soooo I guess what I am saying is I like Coach Bohl's vision but I think his implementation of it was a bit overzealous. Bottom line is we aren't any better this year than we were last. Oh well there is always next year. LOL

 

[WestWYOPoke]

A) How many ACLs have we had? 3,4, maybe 5? That's about par for the course for a NCAA football program.

B) There is no official injury report....at least not one released to the public, that info is confidential.

 

[Slow Hand]

A) How many ACLs have we had? 3,4, maybe 5? That's about par for the course for a NCAA football program.

B) There is no official injury report....at least not one released to the public, that info is confidential.

We have had 9 ACLs and maybe ten after this week not par for years past. I am referring to the published list that ESPN uses on National TV.

 

[Slow Hand]

Here is a partial list. This is missing the players who don't play on Saturdays. You can add 4 or maybe 5 ACLs to this list and probably 3 stress fractures all in the foot.
http://www.statfox.com/cfb/injuries.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[fromolwyoming]

I hate to say I told you so but I am going to.... ha ha. Realistically we won't beat good teams with this style of offense because it stagnates the offensive point production and the dated "Tampa Two" defense can't stop anyone without great athletes. Coach Bohl's system took the strength of our team and made it irrelevant. Our receiving corps was average at best and that can only be accredited to the scheme because we had relatively the same athletes as years before. I like Coach Bohl but he has to step into this century if he wants to beat teams at the D1 level consistently. Now I am not advocating a hurry up offense but I am saying that we have to mix up a little new with the old. Interestingly enough when DC was here everyone put the blame on the offense because they put the defense on the field too much....now I am hearing people say that the running backs' legs look tired, the receivers can't get separation, the O-line can't get it done, they aren't in good enough shape........yada yada yada! Sounds like the same ol' shit with a different melody to me. On another note the high incidents of injuries have to be looked at! When have we ever had this many ACL and over use injuries in the history of our program? Having a vision is one thing but trying to reach it in one season is ludicrous! The volume of reps and the expectations in spring ball and during the season is incredible. Most of you have NO IDEA what the players endure. Many of the overuse injuries like stress fractures and strains are not even publicized on the official injury list because the players could be considered "not relevant." In other words they don't play on Sat. Soooo I guess what I am saying is I like Coach Bohl's vision but I think his implementation of it was a bit overzealous. Bottom line is we aren't any better this year than we were last. Oh well there is always next year. LOL

1. Paragraphs are not only your friends, but ours as well.

2. You're really judging Bohl's offense year one in transition from the spread? This ain't NCAA Football 14 where you can automatically adjust a player's stats to be more suitable to another style of offense. The o-line (which is where every offense begins) was recruited for the spread, meaning they are naturally going to be smaller and more attuned to the zone blocking system. The pro-style requires a larger o-line. And if he can get those kinds of players at NDSU, he can get them here. It just takes more than 1 year.

3. Bohl's Tampa 2 is a different kind than usual. Someone posted a link to how he adjusted it a while back to accommodate the more spread/pass oriented offenses that have become prevalent in football. He made it work pretty damn well at NDSU. Once again, give him time. Because not only was our defense destroyed by injuries, but they were recruited to only slow down opposing defenses and were otherwise ignored by DC the last 5 years. They showed flashes, but much like the offense, it takes time to get the guys needed for the defense.

4. It takes any coach more than 1 year to transition a team from one style of football to practically it's opposite, Bohl included.

5. SDSU runs a similar offense and has quite a bit of success, if they could only find a good QB, and a better OC, they would have a good chance of winning 10 games a season. Hell, NDSU, where Bohl came from, ran the ball down other team's throats, including teams like K-State, Minnesota, and even the sheep. The offense, and defense too, for that matter, work. He just needs time to get the guys he needs to implement them.

6. By year 3, we should be seeing signs of where the program is actually headed, rather than jumping to conclusions in year 1. Especially with things like "Oh, we need to run a gimmicky offense because no one at our level can run a pro-style offense!" or "Bohl and company need to get into the 20th century! Their offensive and defensive philosophies are too old fashioned!" So chill out on those and give the staff a chance before you judge them.

 

[Slow Hand]

I am not argueing the fact that it is going to take time...in fact you have reiterated my point. Expecting a transition in year one is ludicrous. I guess my point is that I feel like many of the injuries are because of over use issues. The driving question in my head is "are we in better shape than we were last year." I am not sure we are. When I watch practices and games I see the same level of exhaustion as I have in the past. Perhaps the driving force in practice is teaching kids how to finish. Maybe it is a mental state, or maybe it is just to get rid of the riffraff. I don't know. Using SDSU as an example is a poor use of empirical evidence as we have no aspirations to ever be like SDSU. As far as paragraphs are concerned.......well they are way over-rated. Ha Ha Ha!

 

[Slow Hand]

Oh I forgot....NDSU arguments have little or no merit at the D1 level.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Oh I forgot....NDSU arguments have little or no merit at the D1 level.

*sigh*

NDSU, and all of FCS for that matter, ARE Div 1. That's why they've been able to play such teams. And still makes it valid.

 

[Slow Hand]

Oh I forgot....NDSU arguments have little or no merit at the D1 level.

*sigh*

NDSU, and all of FCS for that matter, ARE Div 1. That's why they've been able to play such teams. And still makes it valid.

Not valid, an occasional win doesn't make it valid. The same could have been said of Joe Glen.

 

[Slow Hand]

.....and BTW a head coach is only as good as his assistants. we have some work to do in that department. LOL

 

[joshvanklomp]

I hate to be a downer, but this will look exactly the same next year against the top tier teams. Why? Because the offense is to old fashioned - too predictable - too old school smash-mouth style. Works in D-II because of the caliber of players Bohl could get relative to other D-II schools. Doesn't work in D-I.

Seems to work for teams like Alabama.

I should have expanded my last sentence by "Doesn't work in D-I at a place like Wyoming against top tier teams".
No way can Wyoming recruit the caliber of players that Alabama does.

Alabama's not the only one. Minnesota's a prime example, with facilities disadvantage and lacking a storied recent past and all.

Maybe you should ask San Jose State if that style is too old-fashioned to work in FBS: http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/14game04.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Hayduke]

Oh I forgot....NDSU arguments have little or no merit at the D1 level.

*sigh*

NDSU, and all of FCS for that matter, ARE Div 1. That's why they've been able to play such teams. And still makes it valid.

Not valid, an occasional win doesn't make it valid. The same could have been said of Joe Glen.

I agree to some extent. However, I don't think Bohl is a Joe Glenn. I think with patience and recruiting, UW will contend in the MWC. But, this year, and especially this last game, has shown us that our cupboard is pretty bare.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

It takes time. Look at basketball. We've been clawing up the ladder and knocking on the door since Shyatt arrived. This is the first year we actually have all the pieces to make a run. And he only worries about what, 12 players on his roster. bohl has to worry about 80+. It's going to take time to build the skill and depth. We'll get there.