Brett Smith: Greatest QB in WYO history.

[OrediggerPoke]

I have been saying since early in his freshman year that Brett Smith has the skill set to be the best quarterback in Wyoming history. I do believe he is the most talented QB in Wyoming history. However, unfortunately I believe that he has regressed this year. He seems to have lost that fire that made him so great. I really hope that we have not ruined him and that he can find that fire again.

As it stands now, Josh Wallwork still has the greatest single season as a Wyoming QB in my opinion.

 

[Wyovanian]

I have been saying since early in his freshman year that Brett Smith has the skill set to be the best quarterback in Wyoming history. I do believe he is the most talented QB in Wyoming history. However, unfortunately I believe that he has regressed this year. He seems to have lost that fire that made him so great. I really hope that we have not ruined him and that he can find that fire again.

As it stands now, Josh Wallwork still has the greatest single season as a Wyoming QB in my opinion.

:agree:

 

[kansasCowboy]

I have been saying since early in his freshman year that Brett Smith has the skill set to be the best quarterback in Wyoming history. I do believe he is the most talented QB in Wyoming history. However, unfortunately I believe that he has regressed this year. He seems to have lost that fire that made him so great. I really hope that we have not ruined him and that he can find that fire again.

As it stands now, Josh Wallwork still has the greatest single season as a Wyoming QB in my opinion.

:agree:

Playing against the "worst" schedule of opponents in the last 50 plus years. Seriously, even BYUs 14-1 record that year still gave our opponents a combined 60-80 record. Other than BYU who else did we play with even a significant record that year? SDS 8-3, and AFA 6-5. Pretty much everyone else was 0 to 4 win teams. I'm serious we haven't had a scheduled season like that since. Thank God! We've actually gained in our SOS. This years team probably would have had 8 to 10 wins playing 96's competition.

 

[COS Cowboy]

I have been saying since early in his freshman year that Brett Smith has the skill set to be the best quarterback in Wyoming history. I do believe he is the most talented QB in Wyoming history. However, unfortunately I believe that he has regressed this year. He seems to have lost that fire that made him so great. I really hope that we have not ruined him and that he can find that fire again.

As it stands now, Josh Wallwork still has the greatest single season as a Wyoming QB in my opinion.

Better than Randy Welniack?

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I have been saying since early in his freshman year that Brett Smith has the skill set to be the best quarterback in Wyoming history. I do believe he is the most talented QB in Wyoming history. However, unfortunately I believe that he has regressed this year. He seems to have lost that fire that made him so great. I really hope that we have not ruined him and that he can find that fire again.

As it stands now, Josh Wallwork still has the greatest single season as a Wyoming QB in my opinion.

:agree:

Playing against the "worst" schedule of opponents in the last 50 plus years. Seriously, even BYUs 14-1 record that year still gave our opponents a combined 60-80 record. Other than BYU who else did we play with even a significant record that year? SDS 8-3, and AFA 6-5. Pretty much everyone else was 0 to 4 win teams. I'm serious we haven't had a scheduled season like that since. Thank God! We've actually gained in our SOS. This years team probably would have had 8 to 10 wins playing 96's competition.

Look at our SOS this year. I would argue that the 1996 WAC was a better league than the 2013 MWC when compared to the overall NCAA. The MWC is bad (and perhaps the worst conference in the FBS this year). Athletes have gotten better since 1996, so I would hope this year's team would win 8 games against the competition in 1996; but, considering our defense I wouldn't even be sure of that.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I have been saying since early in his freshman year that Brett Smith has the skill set to be the best quarterback in Wyoming history. I do believe he is the most talented QB in Wyoming history. However, unfortunately I believe that he has regressed this year. He seems to have lost that fire that made him so great. I really hope that we have not ruined him and that he can find that fire again.

As it stands now, Josh Wallwork still has the greatest single season as a Wyoming QB in my opinion.

Better than Randy Welniack?

Yes, I think so.

 

[kansasCowboy]

I have been saying since early in his freshman year that Brett Smith has the skill set to be the best quarterback in Wyoming history. I do believe he is the most talented QB in Wyoming history. However, unfortunately I believe that he has regressed this year. He seems to have lost that fire that made him so great. I really hope that we have not ruined him and that he can find that fire again.

As it stands now, Josh Wallwork still has the greatest single season as a Wyoming QB in my opinion.

:agree:

Playing against the "worst" schedule of opponents in the last 50 plus years. Seriously, even BYUs 14-1 record that year still gave our opponents a combined 60-80 record. Other than BYU who else did we play with even a significant record that year? SDS 8-3, and AFA 6-5. Pretty much everyone else was 0 to 4 win teams. I'm serious we haven't had a scheduled season like that since. Thank God! We've actually gained in our SOS. This years team probably would have had 8 to 10 wins playing 96's competition.

Look at our SOS this year. I would argue that the 1996 WAC was a better league than the 2013 MWC when compared to the overall NCAA. The MWC is bad (and perhaps the worst conference in the FBS this year). Athletes have gotten better since 1996, so I would hope this year's team would win 8 games against the competition in 1996; but, considering our defense I wouldn't even be sure of that.

I glad you said that I'll bust out the numbers for you. This year is a far cry greater than 96.

 

[mwc fan]

Brett is out there busting his butt along with Wick, Tedder and Ruffran. You cant say those guys dont want to win. The major problem besides the play calling is the offensive line. Every turnover we had on offense was the result of crappy blocking. Brett running for his life, Wick getting hammered right at the line, hurried throws to avoid a sack. It was awful to watch. I dont care who you have at Qb or Rb the result would probably be the same. I also dont get CDC trying to turn his line into a power blocking scheme. The line isnt athletic enough to pull a guard or tackle. They arent quick enough to zone block and They were getting beat with a three man rush for gods sake.
I have no clue what is going on with the center position. The starter is week to week and even that changes mid game. The Defensive line is good but they have no depth and are spent after the half. CDC says hes bringing in 10-12 JC recruits. I hope they are all linemen and not anymore receivers.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Brett is out there busting his butt along with Wick, Tedder and Ruffran. You cant say those guys dont want to win. The major problem besides the play calling is the offensive line. Every turnover we had on offense was the result of crappy blocking. Brett running for his life, Wick getting hammered right at the line, hurried throws to avoid a sack. It was awful to watch. I dont care who you have at Qb or Rb the result would probably be the same. I also dont get CDC trying to turn his line into a power blocking scheme. The line isnt athletic enough to pull a guard or tackle. They arent quick enough to zone block and They were getting beat with a three man rush for gods sake.
I have no clue what is going on with the center position. The starter is week to week and even that changes mid game. The Defensive line is good but they have no depth and are spent after the half. CDC says hes bringing in 10-12 JC recruits. I hope they are all linemen and not anymore receivers.

The defensive line, despite the occassional good push, is really undersized for a 3-4 defense, especially in today's game.

Don't get me wrong, the 3-4 defense is my favorite, but if you don't have the guys up front for it, its not going to do you a lot of a good.

 

[cowboyz]

If a QB is rated on total yards and TD passes alone, then Brett is the best. Have you looked into the stats? For instance, does he have the most TDs and yards simply because he's thrown the ball the most. Sort of like a baseball player. One might have 180 hits and a .260 average, but another might have 150 hits and a .300 average. Who's better? I haven't bothered to check the stats of the other great Wyoming QBs, but what about yards per pass attempt, interceptions & interception ratio, completion percentage, statistics against winning teams vs. losing teams, etc.? I am not saying he isn't the best, but it's more than a shitload of TDs and yards against some really bad teams. His best victory is against an 8-5 SDS team, who finished 4th in the MWC that year. I am not ragging on Brett at all, I've been a fan since day one. But to be considered the best it's stats and results.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Well, he does own the MWC record for most passes w/out a pick.
One of the highest completion percentages at Wyo, most pass yards, pass TDs, total TDs, most rush yards for a QB (I think).
At a certain point, when you hold EVERY record, especially with a whole year left, you are the best.

 

[BeaverPoke]

And the results thing, a lot of that is about the coaching.
DC doesn't let Brett call plays at the line, so he can't go all Peyton Manning style and call something that he likes and make it work with a shitty team. He is limited to DC's calls. Which we all know, are very predictable.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Well, he does own the MWC record for most passes w/out a pick.
One of the highest completion percentages at Wyo, most pass yards, pass TDs, total TDs, most rush yards for a QB (I think).
At a certain point, when you hold EVERY record, especially with a whole year left, you are the best.

Actually, I think Derek Carr broke that record (without INTs).

 

[cowboyz]

Well, he does own the MWC record for most passes w/out a pick.
One of the highest completion percentages at Wyo, most pass yards, pass TDs, total TDs, most rush yards for a QB (I think).
At a certain point, when you hold EVERY record, especially with a whole year left, you are the best.

So you would feel that Case Keenum is the best QB in the history of the NCAA?

I feel there are too many intangibles to place this honor on Brett, at this time. If he was doing all of this and we were winning, then it would be hard for anyone to argue, stats + results! Unfortunately, due to circumstances (total shit HC for one), it's hard to say someone is the best because he has huge stats vs. crap teams and a ton of losses to winning teams.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Well, he does own the MWC record for most passes w/out a pick.
One of the highest completion percentages at Wyo, most pass yards, pass TDs, total TDs, most rush yards for a QB (I think).
At a certain point, when you hold EVERY record, especially with a whole year left, you are the best.

So you would feel that Case Keenum is the best QB in the history of the NCAA?

I feel there are too many intangibles to place this honor on Brett, at this time. If he was doing all of this and we were winning, then it would be hard for anyone to argue, stats + results! Unfortunately, due to circumstances (total shit HC for one), it's hard to say someone is the best because he has huge stats vs. crap teams and a ton of losses to winning teams.

Case Keenum doesn't own EVERY stat, like Brett does for Wyo.

And just look at Bretts numbers his freshman year to ACS freshman AND sophomore year.

 

[cowboyz]

Well, he does own the MWC record for most passes w/out a pick.
One of the highest completion percentages at Wyo, most pass yards, pass TDs, total TDs, most rush yards for a QB (I think).
At a certain point, when you hold EVERY record, especially with a whole year left, you are the best.

So you would feel that Case Keenum is the best QB in the history of the NCAA?

I feel there are too many intangibles to place this honor on Brett, at this time. If he was doing all of this and we were winning, then it would be hard for anyone to argue, stats + results! Unfortunately, due to circumstances (total shit HC for one), it's hard to say someone is the best because he has huge stats vs. crap teams and a ton of losses to winning teams.

Case Keenum doesn't own EVERY stat, like Brett does for Wyo.

And just look at Bretts numbers his freshman year to ACS freshman AND sophomore year.

Keenum has most TDs, most yards, most completions, they're the biggies. But that's sort of my point. Statistically Brett has the individual stats, but what are the circumstances? We all agree he's great, but the best? What about wins, comebacks, getting more players involved, that sort of stuff? Have other Wyoming QBs had lesser individual stats, but better results?

Comparing Brett to ACS doesn't mean anything. I wouldn't guess that anyone would put ACS into the Wyoming's all time best QB argument. Although he does have more 4th quarter comeback victories and more bowl game victories in one year than Brett will probably have in his 4 year career.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Again...the wins argument or lack of wins is on DC. not Brett.
If you put Brett on any of the great teams who has had, then those teams are even better. That's what makes him the best. Put some of the more winning QBs on this team and we still don't have a 5th win.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

If you put Brett on any of the great teams who has had, then those teams are even better.

Based on what are you making this statement? Did you personally watch the '96 team with Wallwork?

Brett Smith is a great QB but making a statement without any basis is ridiculous.

 

[Wyovanian]

Again...the wins argument or lack of wins is on DC. not Brett.
If you put Brett on any of the great teams who has had, then those teams are even better. That's what makes him the best. Put some of the more winning QBs on this team and we still don't have a 5th win.

Not according to your self-appointed protector, resident high school football coach, and all-around football expert kanasasCowboy...

 

[zappinpoke]

Wonder what Walwork's numbers would look like if he would have had 4 years with Tiller.