Boise St @ UW

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Will someone go back and look and see what clowns said Jmac wasn't a D-1 player? So we can ban their stupidity. Wyoming recruits never really mature until their junior season

No shit the guys that said JMAC can't play or should come of the bench are complete dipshits. Come on show yourself morons.

Haha. As I remember the conversation, no one said he wasn't a D1 player. The conversation was that he is a fantastic piece on this team, but that he wouldn't start most other teams in the MWC. I love JMac and love that he's a cowboy and he stepped up today in a way I didn't know he could. While today's loss sucked, maybe we've seen a couple guys turn the corner. JMac and JJ had great games. Dalton is starting to play very well. You add Josh in today and we win this game. It was unfortunate but this team may be getting it

You must have selective memory.

I may. Prove me wrong then. If I said he has no business on this team than I'll eat my helping of crow. You sure talk a lot, back it up.

 

[Cuttslam]

Some might not agree with me but even though Adams is the best player on our team and we do need him for this year's team I actually think our offense moves the ball a lot better when he isn't on the floor because everyone on the floor passes it around and moves looking for the best shot instead of standing there watching Josh. I thought the ball movement on offense was good overall today.

Again I am not saying we don't need Adams because we do for this years team but I think the offense next year will be a lot smoother overall because you will have multiple guys passing it around and moving instead of hoping Josh can knock down a shot in the last 10 seconds of the shot clock.

Maybe. Conway better be an absolute stud though. Neither of today's starting guards should be rotation players at the D1 level. The 2-5 positions will all improve next year. (Assuming they move Adams back to the 1 where he and the team was lost successful this year)


Jmac should be next years starting pg if Conway is at the trey Washington/Lieberman level.
McM/Conway
Gorski
James
Herndon/Dalton
Barnes/noughton

Hopefully they can replace Marshall (who shyatt says isn't as good as Washington/Lieberman so should/will obviously be run off) with a guard ready to play

JMAC is no PG WTF are you talking about?

 

[seattlecowboy]

Some might not agree with me but even though Adams is the best player on our team and we do need him for this year's team I actually think our offense moves the ball a lot better when he isn't on the floor because everyone on the floor passes it around and moves looking for the best shot instead of standing there watching Josh. I thought the ball movement on offense was good overall today.

Again I am not saying we don't need Adams because we do for this years team but I think the offense next year will be a lot smoother overall because you will have multiple guys passing it around and moving instead of hoping Josh can knock down a shot in the last 10 seconds of the shot clock.

Maybe. Conway better be an absolute stud though. Neither of today's starting guards should be rotation players at the D1 level. The 2-5 positions will all improve next year. (Assuming they move Adams back to the 1 where he and the team was lost successful this year)


Jmac should be next years starting pg if Conway is at the trey Washington/Lieberman level.
McM/Conway
Gorski
James
Herndon/Dalton
Barnes/noughton

Hopefully they can replace Marshall (who shyatt says isn't as good as Washington/Lieberman so should/will obviously be run off) with a guard ready to play

Well maybe they will start moving the ball the rest of this year now with Adams back in the line up now that the team knows they can play halfway decent without Adams. I think if anything this loss should show the young guys they are capable of playing at this level and they don't need to be scared to take a shot of move the ball around and not have to wait for Josh to do it all for them. Everyone can contribute and help Josh out more. Loved the ball movement today , they just need to cut those turnovers down and we can beat anyone in the league.

 

[Wyovanian]

Some might not agree with me but even though Adams is the best player on our team and we do need him for this year's team I actually think our offense moves the ball a lot better when he isn't on the floor because everyone on the floor passes it around and moves looking for the best shot instead of standing there watching Josh. I thought the ball movement on offense was good overall today.

Again I am not saying we don't need Adams because we do for this years team but I think the offense next year will be a lot smoother overall because you will have multiple guys passing it around and moving instead of hoping Josh can knock down a shot in the last 10 seconds of the shot clock.

Maybe. Conway better be an absolute stud though. Neither of today's starting guards should be rotation players at the D1 level. The 2-5 positions will all improve next year. (Assuming they move Adams back to the 1 where he and the team was lost successful this year)


Jmac should be next years starting pg if Conway is at the trey Washington/Lieberman level.
McM/Conway
Gorski
James
Herndon/Dalton
Barnes/noughton

Hopefully they can replace Marshall (who shyatt says isn't as good as Washington/Lieberman so should/will obviously be run off) with a guard ready to play

Well maybe they will start moving the ball the rest of this year now with Adams back in the line up now that the team knows they can play halfway decent without Adams. I think if anything this loss should show the young guys they are capable of playing at this level and they don't need to be scared to take a shot of move the ball around and not have to wait for Josh to do it all for them. Everyone can contribute and help Josh out more. Loved the ball movement today , they just need to cut those turnovers down and we can beat anyone in the league.

Excellent takeaway from this loss.

I also think they need to take a very hard look at Lieberman and Washington insofar as whether they rate D1. Challenge them on it, call them out and see how they respond. If they don't improve or at least show any effort, time to reconsider their status...

 

[laxwyo]

I still think Lieberman will be a decent ball player. he plays too frantic. It'll slow down for him and he won't be as nervous. Every year we say the same things about our freshman and sophomores. In the end some are real good as juniors and some need their senior year to look the part

 

[Wyovanian]

I still think Lieberman will be a decent ball player. he plays too frantic. It'll slow down for him and he won't be as nervous. Every year we say the same things about our freshman and sophomores. In the end some are real good as juniors and some need their senior year to look the part

Lieberman is not playing to the level of a sophomore D1 player. Between his bad passes and turnovers today, there was a glaring margin of performance between him and almost everyone else on the floor. It's pretty hard to argue he's not the worst player to start a game this season.

That being said, I think he needs a "margin call" challenge to his skills and ability to man-up and bring his best game before anyone gives up on him. Seasons like this are the distilleries of character.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

I still think Lieberman will be a decent ball player. he plays too frantic. It'll slow down for him and he won't be as nervous. Every year we say the same things about our freshman and sophomores. In the end some are real good as juniors and some need their senior year to look the part

Lieberman is not playing to the level of a sophomore D1 player. Between his bad passes and turnovers today, there was a glaring margin of performance between him and almost everyone else on the floor. It's pretty hard to argue he's not the worst player to start a game this season.

That being said, I think he needs a "margin call" challenge to his skills and ability to man-up and bring his best game before anyone gives up on him. Seasons like this are the distilleries of character.

Agree totally with this. JL can play for 2 minutes like he's a D1 player, but then he'll cycle through 12 straight minutes where he plays loose with the ball committing turnovers at a frightening level -- and really plays outside of his true abilities.

As to the comparison between JL and Riley Grabau -- I completely disagree with this one. With all due respect, the level of player that Grabau was, and JL is, suggests a pretty big divide. 'Arc', meaning the trajectory of the player's career, and I see nothing to suggest Lieberman will ever be close to the well-rounded player that Grabau was. I would, however, love to be proven wrong on this one.

 

[WyoExpat]

How many TO's did Leiberman have? Seven? Holy shit. That would account for 7 points to BSU just from Leib alone.

I really like Lieberman and think he has a career arc similar to Grabau, but Jesus H. He really struggled today. Compound that with empty minutes from Trey as well and our point guard position was awful today.

I don't he struggles almost every game.

So did Grabau.

7 is a big TO number though.

 

[WyoExpat]

A quote from back when we first learned that Jason McManamen had signed with the Pokes:

Re: McManamen on the short list for state player of the year
Postby stymeman » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:45 pm

wasn't the strongest of years for Wyo basketball, sure hope he'll help out on occassion, anythings better than Waddell, imo

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I don't remember a conversation about JMac not being a D1 player, but I do remember one very recently about him not deserving a starting role next year.

 

[LanderPoke]

Lieberman is not good. I don't know how he sees the court because he literally brings nothing. Lieberman is below average at every aspect of the game. Washington is at least good at defense and is a D-1 level athlete and can occasionally penetrate and get an assist.

Herndon is playing sooo much better the last 3-4 games. Dalton, too. It was nice to see Justin James play a good game. JJ's potential is obvious.

Kudos to JMac. He stepped up big time. I really didn't foresee him ever being able to contribute like he does. I'm proud he's from Wyoming.

 

[wyokoke]

I don't remember a conversation about JMac not being a D1 player, but I do remember one very recently about him not deserving a starting role next year.

I'll step up, I was one saying he would be better coming off the bench...and have gladly been proven very wrong

 

[Cuttslam]

I don't remember a conversation about JMac not being a D1 player, but I do remember one very recently about him not deserving a starting role next year.

I'll step up, I was one saying he would be better coming off the bench...and have gladly been proven very wrong

Well at least wyokoke mand up.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

I too was one that had some doubts about JMac being a D-1 caliber player coming out of high school. I saw him play his senior year and while he was good, I wasn't so sure on his ability to play at the top level. Obviously this coaching staff has done some GREAT work with him and proved me wrong. Always a nice thing to be wrong about.

 

[calpoke25]

Will someone go back and look and see what clowns said Jmac wasn't a D-1 player? So we can ban their stupidity. Wyoming recruits never really mature until their junior season

No shit the guys that said JMAC can't play or should come of the bench are complete dipshits. Come on show yourself morons.

You're probably talking to me. I've never said he isn't a D1 player, go ahead and try to find a quote where I or anyo ne have said that. Yes, he stepped up today and had a good game. I liked that he finished with more authority on his drives. One game isnt going to change my opinion as to what his ceiling is. I think we saw his ceiling today. He's a streaky shooter, has a decent first step and is IMO an average defender who flops a lot (the flopping is a team wide issue so that appears to how our team is coached). If that's our best player we are in trouble, as in not contending for a championship. That's not a knock on JMac, that's a knock to our recruiting. My opinion is, and after today remains that JMac would be a quality 4th banana or 6th man on a MW championship contending team. He deserves a lot of credit for coming as far as he has in his bball career.

 

[joshvanklomp]

I don't remember a conversation about JMac not being a D1 player, but I do remember one very recently about him not deserving a starting role next year.

I'll step up, I was one saying he would be better coming off the bench...and have gladly been proven very wrong

Same here, though I do believe he made major strides in the offseason. Kid is a beast right now! Easily the second-best Poke on the team.

 

[TSpoke]

Really wish we could have finished this game out to prove to others that we are more than just Josh Adams but a good effort on Saturday. Lieberman had an awful game no denying it. We have seen some flashes of talent from him so I hope he continues to get better. I know he is always working extra on his game so hopefully next year he pulls it together. I actually like what I see out of Washington, he just needs to stay more aggressive. Good things happen when he drives to the basket. He is quick enough to beat his guy off the ball and is a decent finisher(especially for his size) and can find the open man for a kick out. When he is passive and stands around the 3 point line he is not as effective.
Jmac showed he can carry most of the scoring weight if he needs to and looked really good as the main guy. Even after Saturday I think we are underestimating how good he can be.
It was great to see Herndon continue to play well. The last couple games he has been very solid and against Boise he played great. This is with fighting an illness and apparently dealing with growing pains
(still growing!?) He also needs to stay more aggressive and take the ball to the rim.
As others have said hopefully this play will carry over to when Josh gets back tomorrow and they don't spend so much time waiting for Josh to do something. I'm excited to see how this team closes out the season.

 

[WYCowboy]

I feel sorry for Fresno. Hope so anyhow.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Will someone go back and look and see what clowns said Jmac wasn't a D-1 player? So we can ban their stupidity. Wyoming recruits never really mature until their junior season

No shit the guys that said JMAC can't play or should come of the bench are complete dipshits. Come on show yourself morons.

You're probably talking to me. I've never said he isn't a D1 player, go ahead and try to find a quote where I or anyo ne have said that. Yes, he stepped up today and had a good game. I liked that he finished with more authority on his drives. One game isnt going to change my opinion as to what his ceiling is. I think we saw his ceiling today. He's a streaky shooter, has a decent first step and is IMO an average defender who flops a lot (the flopping is a team wide issue so that appears to how our team is coached). If that's our best player we are in trouble, as in not contending for a championship. That's not a knock on JMac, that's a knock to our recruiting. My opinion is, and after today remains that JMac would be a quality 4th banana or 6th man on a MW championship contending team. He deserves a lot of credit for coming as far as he has in his bball career.

I am probably associated in the group too. And you hit the nail right on the head. I love JMac but if we rely on him going forward as our main scorer we may be in trouble. Just as he had a monster game Saturday, he has recently had a couple games where he may have well stayed in the locker room.

 

[WilyWapiti]

Why does Shyatt continue to beat his head against the Lieberman wall?

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