Big 12 Expansion

[WestWYOPoke]

That's one university ranking system. Are there not many? For example:

The Carnegie classification is THE ranking system. Others are decent, but for those that work inside of the world of higher education, Carnegie is the one that almost everyone goes by.

 

[WyomingAg]

That's one university ranking system. Are there not many? For example:

The Carnegie classification is THE ranking system. Others are decent, but for those that work inside of the world of higher education, Carnegie is the one that almost everyone goes by.

I see. I'm curious on the Engineering Tier 1 initiative Wyoming is doing, how does that compare to the Carnegie rankings? What ranking system does the Tier 1 vs. Tier 2 etc. of specific areas like Engineering and does that play into the Carnegie rankings then? Or why did Wyo publicly state they are going for Tier 1 Engineering vs. the Carnegie Doctoral Level 1?

 

[laxwyo]

I didn't know academics competed in conferences. Pretty strange that an "athletic conference" would somehow affect perceived academic standing


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[DVDA]

Anyone else see this floating out there? Just one mans opinion but it is certainly an interesting view. Wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AndyTsubasaF/status/816365759723139072[/tweet]

Even if Wyoming came with a lot of fans and a big media market, the University's academic acumen is nowhere close to qualifying to be in the PAC-12.

Absolutely untrue. Academically, Wyoming is considered a peer of both Utah and ASU.

Absolutely not. We are peers with Utah State, New Mexico State and Northern Arizona. We are one step below the highest level which Utah and ASU are part of. Our Carnegie classification is Doctoral R2 and they are Doctoral R1.

http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/classification_descriptions/basic.php

Why do any of these schools care about academics when we're talking about football conferences? It seems like a big fart sniffing competition of smugness with no relevancy to football.

Because in order for a school to be added by a conference it has to be agreed upon by the President's (and/or Trustees) of the current schools, not the ADs. President's are thinking about a lot more than just the extra money a school may bring to the conference, they don't want a new school to dilute the perceived academic integrity of their conference.

I also have to agree with some of the posts on here, Wyoming is not a slouch school, but we are not to the level of academic integrity to be considered peers of the majority of schools in the PAC-12 or Big Ten...but we sure have Boise beat.

So it's basically a bunch of smug assholes finding a way to make something completely irrelevant to athletics important to athletics.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Oh absolutely, it's the same idea as the Ivy League. Ivy league is obviously more visible for academics than athletics, but other conferences want to emulate that.

"We are a member of the prestigious PAC-12 conference, home to such rigorous academic institutions as Cal and Stanford, you would be lucky to come to our school."

And because of that, perceived academic stringency equals more applications, equals lower acceptance rates, equals ability to charge more because "your degree to Institution X is worth far more than the same degree at some lowly Mountain West school".

As you said, there is obviously a separation between the athletic and academic components of a conference, but it's a President's job to market his/her institution and they will do that (and protect that value) with every tool at their disposal.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

That's one university ranking system. Are there not many? For example:

The Carnegie classification is THE ranking system. Others are decent, but for those that work inside of the world of higher education, Carnegie is the one that almost everyone goes by.

I see. I'm curious on the Engineering Tier 1 initiative Wyoming is doing, how does that compare to the Carnegie rankings? What ranking system does the Tier 1 vs. Tier 2 etc. of specific areas like Engineering and does that play into the Carnegie rankings then? Or why did Wyo publicly state they are going for Tier 1 Engineering vs. the Carnegie Doctoral Level 1?

The Engineering school and their level of academic rigor certainly play a role in the categorization within the Carnegie classification. While Wyoming's engineering school may be at or near the highest level they can achieve, the Carnegie scale takes all programs into account when placing schools in the different tiers. So a high level Engineering program may help, but other programs at lesser levels may bring down the school's overall grade.

They also take into account the amount of research that a school does as compared to teaching. This is one reason why Colorado School of Mines (one of, if not THE, premier engineering programs in the country) is at Tier 2 and not Tier 1.

I can't comment as to how much weight is given to specific programs or research vs. instruction within those programs. Wyoming having a Tier 1 engineering program is certainly important when recruiting faculty and students that know they want to be engineers, but for everyone else, not as much.

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

Everyone knows it's the MW that should be expanding.

Houston
BYU
gonzaga
SAN Francisco
Wichita St
Denver
Pepperdine
Long Beach st

 

[Bryoming]

Oh FFS, give it up with the expansion talk! The MW isn't expanding because no one brings enough to the table to allow us to renegotiate our media contracts for more money. Also, only two of the schools on that list you posted sponsor football, and one is 881 miles away from it's nearest would-be conference mate. That's roughly the same distance from Laramie to Reno, but we've got over half the conference in between us!

 

[elfletcho]

That's one university ranking system. Are there not many? For example:

The Carnegie classification is THE ranking system. Others are decent, but for those that work inside of the world of higher education, Carnegie is the one that almost everyone goes by.

I see. I'm curious on the Engineering Tier 1 initiative Wyoming is doing, how does that compare to the Carnegie rankings? What ranking system does the Tier 1 vs. Tier 2 etc. of specific areas like Engineering and does that play into the Carnegie rankings then? Or why did Wyo publicly state they are going for Tier 1 Engineering vs. the Carnegie Doctoral Level 1?

The Tier 1 initiative is a joke. It is buzzwords and bullshit. The last 2 years have seen the engineering college get donkey kicked in the nuts. Many prof's have left and outside of the petro program, nothing at all is getting any better. The new building is going to be 50% more petro related labs and 50% atrium. There is also going to be a specific room in the building for doing a specific thing that has a wall facing a specific direction.

Tier 1 is Big 10 engineering programs. It's UT Austin, MIT, Arizona. It ain't us.

 

[DVDA]

That's one university ranking system. Are there not many? For example:

The Carnegie classification is THE ranking system. Others are decent, but for those that work inside of the world of higher education, Carnegie is the one that almost everyone goes by.

I see. I'm curious on the Engineering Tier 1 initiative Wyoming is doing, how does that compare to the Carnegie rankings? What ranking system does the Tier 1 vs. Tier 2 etc. of specific areas like Engineering and does that play into the Carnegie rankings then? Or why did Wyo publicly state they are going for Tier 1 Engineering vs. the Carnegie Doctoral Level 1?

The Tier 1 initiative is a joke. It is buzzwords and bullshit. The last 2 years have seen the engineering college get donkey kicked in the nuts. Many prof's have left and outside of the petro program, nothing at all is getting any better. The new building is going to be 50% more petro related labs and 50% atrium. There is also going to be a specific room in the building for doing a specific thing that has a wall facing a specific direction.

Tier 1 is Big 10 engineering programs. It's UT Austin, MIT, Arizona. It ain't us.

Petroleum engineering was so easy to get through. I saw a lot of not very smart people make it through that program with me. Now none of us have jobs. They honestly need to review that program and make some major changes.

 

[elfletcho]

That's one university ranking system. Are there not many? For example:

The Carnegie classification is THE ranking system. Others are decent, but for those that work inside of the world of higher education, Carnegie is the one that almost everyone goes by.

I see. I'm curious on the Engineering Tier 1 initiative Wyoming is doing, how does that compare to the Carnegie rankings? What ranking system does the Tier 1 vs. Tier 2 etc. of specific areas like Engineering and does that play into the Carnegie rankings then? Or why did Wyo publicly state they are going for Tier 1 Engineering vs. the Carnegie Doctoral Level 1?

The Tier 1 initiative is a joke. It is buzzwords and bullshit. The last 2 years have seen the engineering college get donkey kicked in the nuts. Many prof's have left and outside of the petro program, nothing at all is getting any better. The new building is going to be 50% more petro related labs and 50% atrium. There is also going to be a specific room in the building for doing a specific thing that has a wall facing a specific direction.

Tier 1 is Big 10 engineering programs. It's UT Austin, MIT, Arizona. It ain't us.

Petroleum engineering was so easy to get through. I saw a lot of not very smart people make it through that program with me. Now none of us have jobs. They honestly need to review that program and make some major changes.

As long as Dr. Piri keeps bring in the big bucks they aren't going to change anything.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

Anyone else see this floating out there? Just one mans opinion but it is certainly an interesting view. Wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AndyTsubasaF/status/816365759723139072[/tweet]

Even if Wyoming came with a lot of fans and a big media market, the University's academic acumen is nowhere close to qualifying to be in the PAC-12.

Absolutely untrue. Academically, Wyoming is considered a peer of both Utah and ASU.

Absolutely not. We are peers with Utah State, New Mexico State and Northern Arizona. We are one step below the highest level which Utah and ASU are part of. Our Carnegie classification is Doctoral R2 and they are Doctoral R1.

http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/classification_descriptions/basic.php

That's one university ranking system. Are there not many? For example:

US News and world report rankings: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr...ges/rankings/national-universities?_mode=list
- Utah #111
- ASU #129
- Washington State #143
- Oregon State #143
- WYO #171
- UNM #176
- Utah State #220
- New Mexico State #220

AAU (Former Big10 requirement till Nebraska lost AAU membership): http://www.aau.edu/about/default.aspx?id=16710
- None of the above, but some other Pac 12 schools

Others have already chimed in with the sources I based my claim upon, but I didn't see anybody respond to this one. The one you linked to includes cost of education and availability of scholarships in the equation rather than solely quality of actual education and research.

I've watched a lot of the professors I'm still in contact with leave the university in frustration. The Computer Science program is now essentially a joke, whereas it was pretty solid 10 years ago. Probably doesn't need to be said that Computer Science is currently one of the most sought-after majors out there. I'd personally love to hire new graduates for my current job too - we just can't find anybody. Problem is that we need to find another senior developer first to help train new ones.

Wyoming is still a solid university and good value for your money, but it does not qualify for PAC-12's standards.

 

[BeaverPoke]

There is also going to be a specific room in the building for doing a specific thing that has a wall facing a specific direction.

Who gives a fuck if the Muslim students want to pray?
Boo fuckin hoo.

"How dare anyone be accommodating to someone else!"

 

[elfletcho]

There is also going to be a specific room in the building for doing a specific thing that has a wall facing a specific direction.

Who gives a fuck if the Muslim students want to pray?
Boo fuckin hoo.

"How dare anyone be accommodating to someone else!"

Wow such a harsh reaction. I am sorry I offended your prophet.

 

[BeaverPoke]

There is also going to be a specific room in the building for doing a specific thing that has a wall facing a specific direction.

Who gives a fuck if the Muslim students want to pray?
Boo fuckin hoo.

"How dare anyone be accommodating to someone else!"

Wow such a harsh reaction. I am sorry I offended your prophet.

Lol my prophet? Not even close.
It was a harsh reaction because it deserved one.

You are discussing the problems with the engineering department, then throw in the fact they accommodate Muslims like that is part of the problem with the engineering program when it's not.

 

[NebraskaCowboy]

That's one university ranking system. Are there not many? For example:

The Carnegie classification is THE ranking system. Others are decent, but for those that work inside of the world of higher education, Carnegie is the one that almost everyone goes by.

I see. I'm curious on the Engineering Tier 1 initiative Wyoming is doing, how does that compare to the Carnegie rankings? What ranking system does the Tier 1 vs. Tier 2 etc. of specific areas like Engineering and does that play into the Carnegie rankings then? Or why did Wyo publicly state they are going for Tier 1 Engineering vs. the Carnegie Doctoral Level 1?

The Tier 1 initiative is a joke. It is buzzwords and bullshit. The last 2 years have seen the engineering college get donkey kicked in the nuts. Many prof's have left and outside of the petro program, nothing at all is getting any better. The new building is going to be 50% more petro related labs and 50% atrium. There is also going to be a specific room in the building for doing a specific thing that has a wall facing a specific direction.

Tier 1 is Big 10 engineering programs. It's UT Austin, MIT, Arizona. It ain't us.

Petroleum engineering was so easy to get through. I saw a lot of not very smart people make it through that program with me. Now none of us have jobs. They honestly need to review that program and make some major changes.

I just graduated with a mechanical engineering degree from the university and must say DVDA paints a more accurate picture of the petroleum program. I don't know where you get that the petroleum program is getting better. I think as mechanical students we found the petroleum program to be a joke and full of kids looking to get rich who weren't very smart. They have large class size in that program which leads to professors getting lazy and easy assignments and degrees. It became very watered down and lead the mechanical program to implement prerequisites of a 3.0 in core engineering and math classes before even entering the mechanical program to prevent large influxes of kids from that program as the money dries up like it has. While I agree the college could use some improvements, I think petroleum is the weakest program by far.