Berg and Perez gone

[jarhead]

All I know is that according to one of the new coaches...if you play WR you better be willing to block most of the time and be willing to catch a pass once in a while. Just saying it will be way different.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Blocking is key to making it to the next level. I can't see a scenario where we don't pass at least 1/2 the time. But, I could be wrong.

 

[Slow Hand]

Blocking is key to making it to the next level. I can't see a scenario where we don't pass at least 1/2 the time. But, I could be wrong.

Personally I don't see how you can take a team with 17 WR on it and change it into a run based offense. Two reasons why....Bohl has already stated that he would not field a complete recruiting class and secondly what do you do with all of the WR that aren't on the field? Bohls offense in NDSU rarely had more than two of them on the field at once. so if you go three deep that is only 6 dudes. I just think he will have to run a mix! Maybe not?

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

Blocking is key to making it to the next level. I can't see a scenario where we don't pass at least 1/2 the time. But, I could be wrong.

Personally I don't see how you can take a team with 17 WR on it and change it into a run based offense. Two reasons why....Bohl has already stated that he would not field a complete recruiting class and secondly what do you do with all of the WR that aren't on the field? Bohls offense in NDSU rarely had more than two of them on the field at once. so if you go three deep that is only 6 dudes. I just think he will have to run a mix! Maybe not?

There are NOT 17 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad. Adding in walk-ons just to make the number seem higher than it actually is, is not being straight with people. There are only 10 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad.

Nico Brown
Tanner Gentry
Trent Sewell
Dominic Rufran
Jalen Claiborne
Jake Maulhardt
Eric Nzeocha
Trey Norman
Justin Berger
Keenan Montgomery

(Not even sure if Montgomery is a scholarship player as I believe that he came to Wyoming as a walk-on).

But the bottom line is that, the Cowboy's will run at least 2 WR sets at all times and at certain times they will run a 3 WR set, so 10 WR's is not out of proportion, especially if guys get injured. Kenni Burns has coached 1,000 yard receivers in Bohl's offense, so they do throw the ball. I just hope that we are able to keep the talent at WR and utilize it properly this coming season, which wasn't always the situation with Christensen's offense. I haven't seen the Cowboy's recruiting any WR's so far and I would imagine that they will not be signing any in this class. What they are doing is recruiting DB's and RB's and TE's. I haven't seen any fullback commits as yet, but I would imagine that we will see some soon. I like that kid from Washington State, Flor I believe his name is.

I don't see a problem with the number of WR's making it difficult to change over to a run offense next season. To me, the REAL issue with the offensive line and getting them to be productive run blocking guys.

 

[Adv8RU12]

Any chance that some of the WR's are capable of and could be drafted into a defensive secondary role? That's one place where the Pokes are hurting.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

Any chance that some of the WR's are capable of and could be drafted into a defensive secondary role? That's one place where the Pokes are hurting.

Probably only one in my opinion. 5 of the WR's are seniors; Dominic Rufran, Jalen Claiborne, Trey Norman, Justin Berger and Keenan Montgomery so you wouldn't move them. Nico Brown, Trent Sewell and Tanner Gentry are the young WR's with talent so why move them? That doesn't make sense. Jake Maulhardt just doesn't fit the mold of a DB at all. That only leaves Eric Nzeocha as a possible candidate, but frankly speaking, Wyoming needs quickness and speed at DB and the only way to get that right now is by recruiting. So I don't think that moving any of the WR's to DB's is an option.

 

[jarhead]

Blocking is key to making it to the next level. I can't see a scenario where we don't pass at least 1/2 the time. But, I could be wrong.

Personally I don't see how you can take a team with 17 WR on it and change it into a run based offense. Two reasons why....Bohl has already stated that he would not field a complete recruiting class and secondly what do you do with all of the WR that aren't on the field? Bohls offense in NDSU rarely had more than two of them on the field at once. so if you go three deep that is only 6 dudes. I just think he will have to run a mix! Maybe not?

There are NOT 17 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad. Adding in walk-ons just to make the number seem higher than it actually is, is not being straight with people. There are only 10 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad.

Nico Brown
Tanner Gentry
Trent Sewell
Dominic Rufran
Jalen Claiborne
Jake Maulhardt
Eric Nzeocha
Trey Norman
Justin Berger
Keenan Montgomery

(Not even sure if Montgomery is a scholarship player as I believe that he came to Wyoming as a walk-on).

Interesting that because he isn't a scholarshiped player you don't count my son as "being on the Team". I m sure Tanner would beg to differ with you. Although he hasn't played and is a walk-on I believe he is a viable candidate to get on the field this year. And Montgomery IS a scholarshipped player. I bet Josh Smith would argue your point as well.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

Blocking is key to making it to the next level. I can't see a scenario where we don't pass at least 1/2 the time. But, I could be wrong.

Personally I don't see how you can take a team with 17 WR on it and change it into a run based offense. Two reasons why....Bohl has already stated that he would not field a complete recruiting class and secondly what do you do with all of the WR that aren't on the field? Bohls offense in NDSU rarely had more than two of them on the field at once. so if you go three deep that is only 6 dudes. I just think he will have to run a mix! Maybe not?

There are NOT 17 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad. Adding in walk-ons just to make the number seem higher than it actually is, is not being straight with people. There are only 10 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad.

Nico Brown
Tanner Gentry
Trent Sewell
Dominic Rufran
Jalen Claiborne
Jake Maulhardt
Eric Nzeocha
Trey Norman
Justin Berger
Keenan Montgomery

(Not even sure if Montgomery is a scholarship player as I believe that he came to Wyoming as a walk-on).

Interesting that because he isn't a scholarshiped player you don't count my son as "being on the Team". I m sure Tanner would beg to differ with you. Although he hasn't played and is a walk-on I believe he is a viable candidate to get on the field this year. And Montgomery IS a scholarshipped player. I bet Josh Smith would argue your point as well.

Not meant as an insult to your son, but let's be perfectly honest as well. I never said to not count them on the team, that was a leap that you took all by yourself. But Slow Hand wanted to count walk-ons and everyone saying that would cause an issue with switching to a run offense or a more balanced offense from the pass first offense that Christensen ran, and that is total bunk. But when you are looking at depth at a certain position you are not counting on a ton of walk-ons to be productive players, because if you are, you are in a world of hurt and any coach will tell you that. It is a tough road to hoe as a walk-on and I admire them and take my hat off to them BUT if he were a leading candidate to have a starting or even a top position on the depth chart he would be on scholarship by now or soon would be. Walk-ons play a very important role in a team's success, but typically they are not the guys that are making big yards with catches for the team. Walk-ons play important roles in special teams and practice squads. Both Justin Berger and Keenan Montgomery are both walk-ons I believe and I hope that your son earns a scholarship. Not meant as an insult in any way shape or form, just honesty and reality which is sometimes hard to admit.

 

[jarhead]

Blocking is key to making it to the next level. I can't see a scenario where we don't pass at least 1/2 the time. But, I could be wrong.

Personally I don't see how you can take a team with 17 WR on it and change it into a run based offense. Two reasons why....Bohl has already stated that he would not field a complete recruiting class and secondly what do you do with all of the WR that aren't on the field? Bohls offense in NDSU rarely had more than two of them on the field at once. so if you go three deep that is only 6 dudes. I just think he will have to run a mix! Maybe not?

There are NOT 17 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad. Adding in walk-ons just to make the number seem higher than it actually is, is not being straight with people. There are only 10 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad.

Nico Brown
Tanner Gentry
Trent Sewell
Dominic Rufran
Jalen Claiborne
Jake Maulhardt
Eric Nzeocha
Trey Norman
Justin Berger
Keenan Montgomery

(Not even sure if Montgomery is a scholarship player as I believe that he came to Wyoming as a walk-on).

Interesting that because he isn't a scholarshiped player you don't count my son as "being on the Team". I m sure Tanner would beg to differ with you. Although he hasn't played and is a walk-on I believe he is a viable candidate to get on the field this year. And Montgomery IS a scholarshipped player. I bet Josh Smith would argue your point as well.

Not meant as an insult to your son, but let's be perfectly honest as well. I never said to not count them on the team, that was a leap that you took all by yourself. But Slow Hand wanted to count walk-ons and everyone saying that would cause an issue with switching to a run offense or a more balanced offense from the pass first offense that Christensen ran, and that is total bunk. But when you are looking at depth at a certain position you are not counting on a ton of walk-ons to be productive players, because if you are, you are in a world of hurt and any coach will tell you that. It is a tough road to hoe as a walk-on and I admire them and take my hat off to them BUT if he were a leading candidate to have a starting or even a top position on the depth chart he would be on scholarship by now or soon would be. Walk-ons play a very important role in a team's success, but typically they are not the guys that are making big yards with catches for the team. Walk-ons play important roles in special teams and practice squads. Both Justin Berger and Keenan Montgomery are both walk-ons I believe and I hope that your son earns a scholarship. Not meant as an insult in any way shape or form, just honesty and reality which is sometimes to admit.

Fair enough.

 

[Slow Hand]

Blocking is key to making it to the next level. I can't see a scenario where we don't pass at least 1/2 the time. But, I could be wrong.

Personally I don't see how you can take a team with 17 WR on it and change it into a run based offense. Two reasons why....Bohl has already stated that he would not field a complete recruiting class and secondly what do you do with all of the WR that aren't on the field? Bohls offense in NDSU rarely had more than two of them on the field at once. so if you go three deep that is only 6 dudes. I just think he will have to run a mix! Maybe not?

There are NOT 17 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad. Adding in walk-ons just to make the number seem higher than it actually is, is not being straight with people. There are only 10 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad.

Nico Brown
Tanner Gentry
Trent Sewell
Dominic Rufran
Jalen Claiborne
Jake Maulhardt
Eric Nzeocha
Trey Norman
Justin Berger
Keenan Montgomery

(Not even sure if Montgomery is a scholarship player as I believe that he came to Wyoming as a walk-on).

But the bottom line is that, the Cowboy's will run at least 2 WR sets at all times and at certain times they will run a 3 WR set, so 10 WR's is not out of proportion, especially if guys get injured. Kenni Burns has coached 1,000 yard receivers in Bohl's offense, so they do throw the ball. I just hope that we are able to keep the talent at WR and utilize it properly this coming season, which wasn't always the situation with Christensen's offense. I haven't seen the Cowboy's recruiting any WR's so far and I would imagine that they will not be signing any in this class. What they are doing is recruiting DB's and RB's and TE's. I haven't seen any fullback commits as yet, but I would imagine that we will see some soon. I like that kid from Washington State, Flor I believe his name is.

I don't see a problem with the number of WR's making it difficult to change over to a run offense next season. To me, the REAL issue with the offensive line and getting them to be productive run blocking guys.

I think you missed my point Potatohead (sorry I had to), I was referring to the makup of last years team and yes you are correct to assume that all of the WR are not scholarshipped players. My point simply was that the composition of the team must change greatly if we wish to incorporate a run based offense. I am not sure we even had a true fullback on the roster (maybe easton) and our TE's were very limited in what they could do. Sorry I was not more clear!

 

[Slow Hand]

BTW Potato Head.......I think that Berger was a scholarshipped kid all along. Came from a Cal Juco.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

Blocking is key to making it to the next level. I can't see a scenario where we don't pass at least 1/2 the time. But, I could be wrong.

Personally I don't see how you can take a team with 17 WR on it and change it into a run based offense. Two reasons why....Bohl has already stated that he would not field a complete recruiting class and secondly what do you do with all of the WR that aren't on the field? Bohls offense in NDSU rarely had more than two of them on the field at once. so if you go three deep that is only 6 dudes. I just think he will have to run a mix! Maybe not?

There are NOT 17 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad. Adding in walk-ons just to make the number seem higher than it actually is, is not being straight with people. There are only 10 scholarship WR's on the Cowboy's squad.

Nico Brown
Tanner Gentry
Trent Sewell
Dominic Rufran
Jalen Claiborne
Jake Maulhardt
Eric Nzeocha
Trey Norman
Justin Berger
Keenan Montgomery

(Not even sure if Montgomery is a scholarship player as I believe that he came to Wyoming as a walk-on).

But the bottom line is that, the Cowboy's will run at least 2 WR sets at all times and at certain times they will run a 3 WR set, so 10 WR's is not out of proportion, especially if guys get injured. Kenni Burns has coached 1,000 yard receivers in Bohl's offense, so they do throw the ball. I just hope that we are able to keep the talent at WR and utilize it properly this coming season, which wasn't always the situation with Christensen's offense. I haven't seen the Cowboy's recruiting any WR's so far and I would imagine that they will not be signing any in this class. What they are doing is recruiting DB's and RB's and TE's. I haven't seen any fullback commits as yet, but I would imagine that we will see some soon. I like that kid from Washington State, Flor I believe his name is.

I don't see a problem with the number of WR's making it difficult to change over to a run offense next season. To me, the REAL issue with the offensive line and getting them to be productive run blocking guys.

I think you missed my point Potatohead (sorry I had to), I was referring to the makup of last years team and yes you are correct to assume that all of the WR are not scholarshipped players. My point simply was that the composition of the team must change greatly if we wish to incorporate a run based offense. I am not sure we even had a true fullback on the roster (maybe easton) and our TE's were very limited in what they could do. Sorry I was not more clear!

That's OK 'Slow Witted' (it fit so nicely). You can't look at last year's team and ignore graduation and other reasons why players leave and then attempt to say this coming years team will have issues because of the make-up of last year's team. You talk about a weak argument! It will not be all that difficult to recruit a position like FB or TE when you offer such open opportunities that players are looking for. The real issue is NOT with the WR's....it is with the OL and getting them to change the schemes that they have been doing for years, and I would bet you anything that the coaches will tell you the exact same thing.

 

[Slow Hand]

I concur, it is not a position specific issue...I am glad we agree on one item. A logical person has to examine last years roster for many reasons. The new cartel will have a limited chance to bring in top tier recruits simply because they were preoccupied coaching a national championship. therefor they will have to use the morsels that remain. However when one examines the line play it can be surmised that a lineman is a lineman. They can be taught to rule block even though they were a zone blocking team the last few years. A WR cannot be moved into a fullback position or even a TE position if they lack the size. So my attempt, as feeble as it might have been, was to shed light on the notion that the WR corps will be the poster children for why we will struggle with the ensuing change.

 

[McPeachy]

Perez didn't really give a shit about football.

Perez tried to quit the team mid-season, and was forever in the doghouse after that. The alternating Center mess that DC utilized was a GD joke. Reason cited by Perez - he felt he didn't "fit in". Words from the horses mouth.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

I concur, it is not a position specific issue...I am glad we agree on one item. A logical person has to examine last years roster for many reasons. The new cartel will have a limited chance to bring in top tier recruits simply because they were preoccupied coaching a national championship. therefor they will have to use the morsels that remain. However when one examines the line play it can be surmised that a lineman is a lineman. They can be taught to rule block even though they were a zone blocking team the last few years. A WR cannot be moved into a fullback position or even a TE position if they lack the size. So my attempt, as feeble as it might have been, was to shed light on the notion that the WR corps will be the poster children for why we will struggle with the ensuing change.

I guess we agree on certain things, but others things not. I do not see the WR position as being the poster child for issues of switching from an Option Offense to a Pro Offense. We have no FB's on the team which is a critical position to fill, and we have only two TE's which is another vital position to fill. Coach Bohl has said it himself that this won't be the best recruiting class because of the lateness of being able to get the recruiting going for Wyoming. However, I do feel that Wyoming should be able to recruit a very good FB, because it is a wide open position, much like the QB position, which I like the Young signing a lot.

It was obvious that Perez was not clicking on all cylinders as the season went on. It seemed to happen around the time he got sick but I wasn't aware that he tried to leave and the coaches wouldn't go along with it. Talk about a kid who went from one environment to an almost directly opposite environment and that was Perez. From an inner city Los Angeles guy to Laramie was cultural shock I have no doubt, and I do wish him the best, but I am not surprised at his leaving.

I am just hoping that the OL coach (Scott Fuchs) is able to accomplish an incredible coaching job before next season.

 

[Slow Hand]

See there Pete, We can get along. Even in a civil fashion. All edgy overtones aside, I agree with you about Coach Fuch's daunting task of converting our young rosy cheeked linemen into hardened war horses that will facilitate a smash mouth football program. As a spectator however I am not looking forward to watching it come game day. Even the most proficient smash mouthed teams are boring to watch. I am a "fast break on grass" kind of guy. (but please don't hold that against me or even characterize me as being slow witted because of my contemporary football reasoning) BwaaHaaaaa.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

See there Pete, We can get along. Even in a civil fashion. All edgy overtones aside, I agree with you about Coach Fuch's daunting task of converting our young rosy cheeked linemen into hardened war horses that will facilitate a smash mouth football program. As a spectator however I am not looking forward to watching it come game day. Even the most proficient smash mouthed teams are boring to watch. I am a "fast break on grass" kind of guy. (but please don't hold that against me or even characterize me as being slow witted because of my contemporary football reasoning) BwaaHaaaaa.

I see the tears flowing while you are writing this......

Did you watch NDSU's games this season? If you had, you would have seen that the offense was closer to a Stanford type of offense than 2 yards and a cloud of dust type. Plus they passed when they needed to, but they had superior offensive line play which is something that has been missing for years now....only one year I thought that Wyoming's offensive line played reasonably well....the other years?? Oh well, I won't speak of them. We have seen several coaches try to install the "fast break on grass" offenses and for much of the time it has been disappointing. There were moments of shear enjoyment when it worked but WAY TOO many 3 and outs when it didn't. The problem with that "fast break on grass" type of offense is that it is not balanced at all, and that makes it a lot easier for defenses to stop it unless you have the talent to make it work, and out of Christensen's own mouth, that talent level has been lacking at UW. NDSU's offense certainly scored enough points, but the biggest difference was on the defensive side.....where Wyoming had no defense and NDSU did! Wyoming's fast break offense was so bad last year that it put the defense into many poor to awful positions....I don't see that happening with Bohl's. I won't say a thing about being boring as long as we win.....

 

[Slow Hand]

See there Pete, We can get along. Even in a civil fashion. All edgy overtones aside, I agree with you about Coach Fuch's daunting task of converting our young rosy cheeked linemen into hardened war horses that will facilitate a smash mouth football program. As a spectator however I am not looking forward to watching it come game day. Even the most proficient smash mouthed teams are boring to watch. I am a "fast break on grass" kind of guy. (but please don't hold that against me or even characterize me as being slow witted because of my contemporary football reasoning) BwaaHaaaaa.

I see the tears flowing while you are writing this......

Did you watch NDSU's games this season? If you had, you would have seen that the offense was closer to a Stanford type of offense than 2 yards and a cloud of dust type. Plus they passed when they needed to, but they had superior offensive line play which is something that has been missing for years now....only one year I thought that Wyoming's offensive line played reasonably well....the other years?? Oh well, I won't speak of them. We have seen several coaches try to install the "fast break on grass" offenses and for much of the time it has been disappointing. There were moments of shear enjoyment when it worked but WAY TOO many 3 and outs when it didn't. The problem with that "fast break on grass" type of offense is that it is not balanced at all, and that makes it a lot easier for defenses to stop it unless you have the talent to make it work, and out of Christensen's own mouth, that talent level has been lacking at UW. NDSU's offense certainly scored enough points, but the biggest difference was on the defensive side.....where Wyoming had no defense and NDSU did! Wyoming's fast break offense was so bad last year that it put the defense into many poor to awful positions....I don't see that happening with Bohl's. I won't say a thing about being boring as long as we win.....

Agreed, a balanced attack will make the most sense out of a mediocre talent pool. I still like to watch the elite teams like Oregon "turn it loose" though. I think we here in Wyoming's corner were hoping that we could bring 21st century football to the high plains when we hired DC. Unfortunately it was soon apparent that the talent pool wouldn't allow it. So how does a school like Wyoming make themselves competitive.........well they play not to lose. By that I mean they are possession and field position oriented. Ahhhh (heavy sigh) i suppose as long as we win it will be bearable. But can you imagine if we can't win and it is boring as well? Vigilantes and Lynch squads abound!

 

[WestWYOPoke]

 

[Cowboy Junky]

I think the spring game and football season will give people a better grasp of what our offense is going to look like. I don't think it's one that is going to drive away wr's. It's a power running west coast offense.

It's a West Coast offense first. That's a passing offense.

The part the confuses people is the power running west coast offense. That means will be a smash mouth passing offense.