At least we have spring football to look forward to.

[PotatoCreekPete]

At least we have spring football to look forward to, and we won't lose to anyone there!

For all of you that want to say Halderson and Seller's are going to step up.....please! Please take your Brown and Gold glasses off and look at the stats...and answer this question, if they were so good would they not have been playing a lot before all this stuff happened this season? Seller's has developed all that he is going to develop, so all of you say look he will develop more.....please be a little more realistic. Halderson will be the one that certainly can use the experience, but I am not holding my breath on that one either.

This is another wait until next season now for men's basketball......just like last year, and the year before that and the year before that, and the year before that........you get the idea.

P.S. - I am wondering how and if this will affect Granberry as he is a good friend of Hankerson's and what is he playing for now? Just personal pride as the season is cooked and he won't be back next year.

 

[Bryoming]

I don't think that anyone is saying that Haldorson and Sellers are going to step up. They are, however, going to get thrown in the fire. The staff doesn't have any other options, so they're going to get playing time.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

I don't think that anyone is saying that Haldorson and Sellers are going to step up. They are, however, going to get thrown in the fire. The staff doesn't have any other options, so they're going to get playing time.

With all due respect, there have been some that have argued that these guys will only get better with the additional playing time. I appreciate their "the glass have full viewpoint" but sometimes it gets so unrealistic that it just makes me shake my head and question if they are on something.

These guys have no choice but to step up now. We will be counting on a true freshman and a walk-on....ouch. Does anyone really think that these guys will carry us to anything but an early exit from the MWC tournament?

 

[kansasCowboy]

I don't think that anyone is saying that Haldorson and Sellers are going to step up. They are, however, going to get thrown in the fire. The staff doesn't have any other options, so they're going to get playing time.

With all due respect, there have been some that have argued that these guys will only get better with the additional playing time. I appreciate their "the glass have full viewpoint" but sometimes it gets so unrealistic that it just makes me shake my head and question if they are on something.

These guys have no choice but to step up now. We will be counting on a true freshman and a walk-on....ouch. Does anyone really think that these guys will carry us to anything but an early exit from the MWC tournament?

I'll be your huckleberry in this argument. Halderson had an injury earlier this year hence his lack of playing time, this whole year he was supposed to be resting Nance. The kid has a big upswing. Yeah look at stats. The kid can hit shots from anywhere, he just hasn't received the playing time to do it. I do think this kid has potential since you do realize, I hope, that he is only a Soph.
Sellers you may be right, he may have topped out, but he gives quality minutes when asked to, he may not go off for 10 points and 10 boards, but in watching him play, he gets down and dirty on D although sometimes slow to the ball, he also knows how to make free throws, which is huge for a big guy. Just look at the stats...

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

I don't think that anyone is saying that Haldorson and Sellers are going to step up. They are, however, going to get thrown in the fire. The staff doesn't have any other options, so they're going to get playing time.

With all due respect, there have been some that have argued that these guys will only get better with the additional playing time. I appreciate their "the glass have full viewpoint" but sometimes it gets so unrealistic that it just makes me shake my head and question if they are on something.

These guys have no choice but to step up now. We will be counting on a true freshman and a walk-on....ouch. Does anyone really think that these guys will carry us to anything but an early exit from the MWC tournament?

I'll be your huckleberry in this argument. Halderson had an injury earlier this year hence his lack of playing time, this whole year he was supposed to be resting Nance. The kid has a big upswing. Yeah look at stats. The kid can hit shots from anywhere, he just hasn't received the playing time to do it. I do think this kid has potential since you do realize, I hope, that he is only a Soph.
Sellers you may be right, he may have topped out, but he gives quality minutes when asked to, he may not go off for 10 points and 10 boards, but in watching him play, he gets down and dirty on D although sometimes slow to the ball, he also knows how to make free throws, which is huge for a big guy. Just look at the stats...

Haldorson, has 3 rebounds and 3 points in 11 games for the whole season so far (31 minutes), which amounts to 1 rebound and 1 point for every 10 minutes he has been on the court. Sellers has 5 rebounds and 10 points in 6 games (26 minutes) this season. If Seller's was giving "quality minutes" as you say, why didn't he come in and spell either Cooke or Nance more? Ouch, you are my huckleberry!!!! Heck even Jack Bentz (61 minutes) has almost twice as much playing time as Haldorson and Seller's and we are much deeper at the guard position. Haldorson has demonstrated anything but a fine touch, and maybe he hits some shots in practice, but in the game where it counts he is MIA! Seller's is honestly a foul eater, you know that, I know that, and all of the coaches in the conference know that. The truth is that a 6-8 guy (Haldorson) who only has 3 rebounds in 11 games is pretty sad. At 6-8, he could have stood there and done nothing and still have gotten that many rebounds. Seller's isn't "sometimes" slow to the basket, he is always slow to the basket....

You say that Haldorson can hit from any where this season....is that why he is just 1 of 6 for the season?

I appreciate your attempt at a positive spin on some pretty unspectacular stats but Seller's has been around the whole 3 years since Shyatt has been here and he still is not a contributor in any way shape or form. Haldorson has not developed anything of a game on either end of the floor and still as a sophomore is still very much of project.....he might be a contributor by the time he is a senior.

 

[TSpoke]

I don't think that anyone is saying that Haldorson and Sellers are going to step up. They are, however, going to get thrown in the fire. The staff doesn't have any other options, so they're going to get playing time.

With all due respect, there have been some that have argued that these guys will only get better with the additional playing time. I appreciate their "the glass have full viewpoint" but sometimes it gets so unrealistic that it just makes me shake my head and question if they are on something.

These guys have no choice but to step up now. We will be counting on a true freshman and a walk-on....ouch. Does anyone really think that these guys will carry us to anything but an early exit from the MWC tournament?

So you don't think that playing time will improve anyone. With more playing time we could see more from Haldorson and Sellers. I'm not claiming that that will make up for Nance but saying that they wouldn't get any better with more playing time is silly. Personally I think Haldorson could improve quite a bit as he is just a sophmore that has been injured most of the year apparently. I do think that Sellers is what he is. HAs some decent offensive post moves but too slow to be much help.

This is a dissapointing way to finish up the season considering how happy I was with this team just a week ago. But I am going to support the team to the bitter end and enjoy every bit of watching them play basketball. As to your question about Granberry's motivation. You may have given up on the season but that doesn't mean that the team has. Im sure he will be out there fighting tooth and nail with the rest of the team until the season is over.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

I don't think that anyone is saying that Haldorson and Sellers are going to step up. They are, however, going to get thrown in the fire. The staff doesn't have any other options, so they're going to get playing time.

With all due respect, there have been some that have argued that these guys will only get better with the additional playing time. I appreciate their "the glass have full viewpoint" but sometimes it gets so unrealistic that it just makes me shake my head and question if they are on something.

These guys have no choice but to step up now. We will be counting on a true freshman and a walk-on....ouch. Does anyone really think that these guys will carry us to anything but an early exit from the MWC tournament?

So you don't think that playing time will improve anyone. With more playing time we could see more from Haldorson and Sellers. I'm not claiming that that will make up for Nance but saying that they wouldn't get any better with more playing time is silly. Personally I think Haldorson could improve quite a bit as he is just a sophmore that has been injured most of the year apparently. I do think that Sellers is what he is. HAs some decent offensive post moves but too slow to be much help.

This is a dissapointing way to finish up the season considering how happy I was with this team just a week ago. But I am going to support the team to the bitter end and enjoy every bit of watching them play basketball. As to your question about Granberry's motivation. You may have given up on the season but that doesn't mean that the team has. Im sure he will be out there fighting tooth and nail with the rest of the team until the season is over.

I like how you are so "sure" of Granberry and that he will be out there fighting tooth and nail. You would have said the same thing earlier today about Hankerson, and now how foolish would you be looking like? I am not certain about anything with this team now, let's hope that they come out and play hard. I have the utmost respect and admiration for Coach Shyatt, and he is one incredible coach when it comes to X's and O's....my issue is mainly with his recruiting. So don't confuse what I am saying. I certainly hope that the Pokes play hard and maybe win one or two, but I am not holding my breath. It just seems like the Pokes can never finish a season strong, that they always end up having an excuse and the season goes away.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Larry Nance Jr.'s first 22 minutes against D-1 competition yielded 0 points and 5 rebounds. First 33 minutes yielded just 4 points and 6 rebounds.

Calling Haldorson worthless based off 30 minutes of play is silly.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Larry Nance Jr.'s first 22 minutes against D-1 competition yielded 0 points and 5 rebounds. First 33 minutes yielded just 4 points and 6 rebounds.

Calling Haldorson worthless based off 30 minutes of play is silly.

Exactly!!! Just look at the stats.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

Larry Nance Jr.'s first 22 minutes against D-1 competition yielded 0 points and 5 rebounds. First 33 minutes yielded just 4 points and 6 rebounds.

Calling Haldorson worthless based off 30 minutes of play is silly.

I never used the word "worthless", which I think is too personal and brutal.

But way to go and compare apples to oranges! Larry Nance's first 22 minutes against D-1 competition was as a true freshman, not as a sophomore like Haldorson. Secondly you threw Nance's freshmen stats against Haldorson's sophomore stats.....talk about twisting stats to make a point.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

Larry Nance Jr.'s first 22 minutes against D-1 competition yielded 0 points and 5 rebounds. First 33 minutes yielded just 4 points and 6 rebounds.

Calling Haldorson worthless based off 30 minutes of play is silly.

Exactly!!! Just look at the stats.

Exactly...look at the stats, as a true freshman Haldorson played in 26 games and logged 141 minutes of playing time, so the stats that BackHarlowRoad threw out were from Nance's freshmen year and had NOTHING to do with Haldorson's sophomore year.....exactly. By the way in Haldorson's freshmen year he scored a total of 29 points and had 22 rebs which gave him an average of 1.1 PPG and 0.85 RPG. Larry Nance's freshmen season saw him playing 590 minutes in 33 games and scoring 136 points along with 131 rebounds for averages of 4.1 PPG and 3.97 RPG. For Larry Nance's sophomore season (just to remind you the same year that Haldorson is now), Larry Logged 1057 minutes in 33 games and scored 352 points and had 228 rebs, which gave Larry sophomore averages of 10.7 PPG and 6.91 RPG.

Trying to compare Larry Nance's stats with Haldorson's stats is not an accurate comparison especially if you compare freshmen years to sophomore years!

So the 31 minutes that Haldorson is playing this year are NOT the first D-1 minutes that Haldorson has played as you and BackHarlowRoad were stating, they were Haldorson's 142 thru 172 minutes playing D-1 ball. So I am now using the stats after Haldorson has played 172 minutes and in his 37th game for Wyoming and you guys are comparing Larry Nance's first 22 minutes.....talk about working back from an end point you have already chosen and twisting stats to suit your purpose, that is what you guys did.

 

[.44caliberkiller]

I think the point is that any 31 or for that matter 172 minute stretch is far too short of a sample size to base any significant conclusion. I still have some hope for Haldorson, he's 6'9 with a good stroke and decent athleticism. He needs to add some more bulk during the off season so he can be more of a presence down low, but I still think he can be somewhat productive down the stretch for the team.

 

[Cuttslam]

Game, Set, Match, PotatoCreekPete.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

I think the point is that any 31 or for that matter 172 minute stretch is far too short of a sample size to base any significant conclusion. I still have some hope for Haldorson, he's 6'9 with a good stroke and decent athleticism. He needs to add some more bulk during the off season so he can be more of a presence down low, but I still think he can be somewhat productive down the stretch for the team.

My point is NOT to trash a young man who from everything that I have read and heard plays his tail off and is a great young man. My point is to be realistic and say simply because he is logging more minutes that his stats will take a huge jump won't necessarily happen. I would love nothing better than to be proven wrong, and see Haldorson bloom in these last games and find his stroke and develop an impact game, Lord knows we desperately need him. Maybe it was tougher mentally playing behind a player like Larry Nance than many of us knew and his injury this season was more serious than we knew, and now that he is on his own be will blossom. Haldorson certainly has the potential and I would again love to see him develop it fully. But please don't twist stats to suit a predetermined end point. Haldorson is now in his 37th college game and has logged over 172 minutes, it is his time. The real issue with Haldorson as I see it is that he doesn't have the bulk to bang down low and doesn't have the quicks to be truly effective out front, so he is a player that is caught in between. Haldorson has been in the program long enough to bulk up, maybe it isn't in his body type to put the type of muscle and weight to be a powerful big man, then fine, find him a nitch and have him work at that. But if Haldorson isn't the answer down low, then Shyatt needs to address the lack of depth now rather than later.

 

[laxwyo]

Didn't shyatt say Halderson was one of the most gifted recruits he's had? Or something like that? He was huge on him

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Shyatt needs to address the lack of depth now rather than later.

Something tells me he is aware of the situation.