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And so it begins....

jarhead said:
Ok, I have been lurking on this thread for a little while. Perhaps I can add some insight. My son was offered a scholarship from a walk-on status. We like to think that he earned this offer because of his relentless work ethic and willingness to do anything for the football team. It is also feasible to think that the coaches believed that he may contribute on the field at some point. However in the Mich St game last year he sustained what turned out to be a career ending injury. He too was asked not to go to the team meetings any longer, or attend the weight lifting sessions, or go to practice. Now if I were to leave it there it would seem to support some of the claims on this thread. But, what many people don't realize is that when an athlete is medically disqualified, as my son was, the scholarship is no longer policed by the football team. He becomes a ward of the school, so to speak. Therefore his involvement in the earlier mentioned activities would be viewed as an NCAA violation.

Now let me tell you how he was treated by the staff after he was injured.... They continued to support him even though he was no longer contributing to the team. They continued to provide medical treatment and support for his injury. He still receives medical attention through the training room for his injury. Two of his coaches, including Bohl, wrote letters of recommendation so that he could apply to grad school as well.

I am no there to pass judgement on anyone but please understand that at this level it is truly "the next man up" mentality and it has nothing to do with the kid or the injury. It is simply a business in which they, the coaches, must perform. their jobs depend on it.
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Thank you for the great information! While it won't take away from the coach Bohl detractors any, it is nice to hear the other side of the story. The biggest takeaway I have from this is that it is not a Wyoming problem but a problem with the NCAA in general. This should be amateur athletics but as time goes forward they're doing their best to make it not. Every dumb little thing is an NCAA violation and that is half of the problem. For a "nonprofit" organization they sure act far from it. Emmert, the commissioner of the NCAA made 1.7 in 2012-2013 but yet there are athletes like Will Tutein who can't even pay rent. I would say a lot of the issues being discussed here are not a Wyoming issue but an NCAA issue in which Wyoming is following suit.
 
Every dumb little thing is an NCAA violation
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You are correct.

And you know why...as a general matter?

It's because every "little thing" at a smaller, honest school, if not prohibited, turns into loophole Alabama, or Kentucky, or whomever, can drive a truck through.

Here's a true NCAA violation story: a tiny historically-black college in Florida has a football team. Low, low division but, still, a team. So, coach offers a scholarship to a young man in the middle of nowhere Alabama. Dirt poor, like suitcase is a cardboard box poor. First in his family, ever, to have the chance at college. Ever. This is a very very big deal for the young man and family. So, he arrives by bus at the school. The coach -- who is about ready to kill himself over this -- has some very bad news. He has miscalculated his numbers. There is no scholarship to give.

So, while school is trying to figure out what it can do, the cheerleaders and some local fans jump into action. They charge around and start running a bake sale. They make cookies, cupcakes, print up some t-shirts, sell them on the sidewalk...just to raise a few grand so this kid can enroll in school.

The NCAA comes down on them like a ton of fucking bricks.

I still find it inexcusable (leaving aside how they ignore the terrible, bad, unethical, straight out cheating that goes on at the big outfits), but the NCAA's reasoning was, basically, "If we let this go, then you're going to find Auburn boosters running silent auctions of golf trips to Pinehurst to pay tuition for some 4 Star recruit who would be a great addition to the team even though we have no more scholarships."

As far as I'm concerned, the whole system is broken.
 
Do you solve some of it by paying players? I am not opposed to it. The NCAA made a buttload of money on UW "#16" jerseys for years. None of it came to Smith.
 
NebraskaCowboy said:
jarhead said:
Ok, I have been lurking on this thread for a little while. Perhaps I can add some insight. My son was offered a scholarship from a walk-on status. We like to think that he earned this offer because of his relentless work ethic and willingness to do anything for the football team. It is also feasible to think that the coaches believed that he may contribute on the field at some point. However in the Mich St game last year he sustained what turned out to be a career ending injury. He too was asked not to go to the team meetings any longer, or attend the weight lifting sessions, or go to practice. Now if I were to leave it there it would seem to support some of the claims on this thread. But, what many people don't realize is that when an athlete is medically disqualified, as my son was, the scholarship is no longer policed by the football team. He becomes a ward of the school, so to speak. Therefore his involvement in the earlier mentioned activities would be viewed as an NCAA violation.

Now let me tell you how he was treated by the staff after he was injured.... They continued to support him even though he was no longer contributing to the team. They continued to provide medical treatment and support for his injury. He still receives medical attention through the training room for his injury. Two of his coaches, including Bohl, wrote letters of recommendation so that he could apply to grad school as well.

I am no there to pass judgement on anyone but please understand that at this level it is truly "the next man up" mentality and it has nothing to do with the kid or the injury. It is simply a business in which they, the coaches, must perform. their jobs depend on it.
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Thank you for the great information! While it won't take away from the coach Bohl detractors any, it is nice to hear the other side of the story. The biggest takeaway I have from this is that it is not a Wyoming problem but a problem with the NCAA in general. This should be amateur athletics but as time goes forward they're doing their best to make it not. Every dumb little thing is an NCAA violation and that is half of the problem. For a "nonprofit" organization they sure act far from it. Emmert, the commissioner of the NCAA made 1.7 in 2012-2013 but yet there are athletes like Will Tutein who can't even pay rent. I would say a lot of the issues being discussed here are not a Wyoming issue but an NCAA issue in which Wyoming is following suit.
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Slow Brain needs to read this.....but of course he already knows it because he knows everything!
 
djm19 said:
Do you solve some of it by paying players? I am not opposed to it. The NCAA made a buttload of money on UW "#16" jerseys for years. None of it came to Smith.
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EDIT: If players get paid, does this scenario go into effect.

So let me ask you this. Lets say Brett Smith makes the NFL and becomes a house hold name and breaks every record there is. He becomes the highest paid athlete in history of the NFL. Every time his introduction comes up, it says right there, WYOMING. Does he now have to pay royalties to the university for all the money HE has made thanks to his time there? The universities make a ton of money of these players yet a number of these athletes go on to the NFL and make a boat load of money themselves which can be directly attributed to the exposure they received from their respective university. Has there ever been a player in the NFL to never play in college? Some could say it is almost required to play for a college before the big pay day.

Just something I have been mulling around in my head lately. I hate the whole "pay players" conversation. I believe the free education and opportunities that come with that are payment enough but I get it. ITs a $billion industry.
 
djm19 said:
Do you solve some of it by paying players? I am not opposed to it. The NCAA made a buttload of money on UW "#16" jerseys for years. None of it came to Smith.
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I think it's inevitable that players get paid. In some cases rightfully so. I used to be adamantly opposed to it, but that train has left the station.
 
PotatoCreekPete said:
NebraskaCowboy said:
jarhead said:
Ok, I have been lurking on this thread for a little while. Perhaps I can add some insight. My son was offered a scholarship from a walk-on status. We like to think that he earned this offer because of his relentless work ethic and willingness to do anything for the football team. It is also feasible to think that the coaches believed that he may contribute on the field at some point. However in the Mich St game last year he sustained what turned out to be a career ending injury. He too was asked not to go to the team meetings any longer, or attend the weight lifting sessions, or go to practice. Now if I were to leave it there it would seem to support some of the claims on this thread. But, what many people don't realize is that when an athlete is medically disqualified, as my son was, the scholarship is no longer policed by the football team. He becomes a ward of the school, so to speak. Therefore his involvement in the earlier mentioned activities would be viewed as an NCAA violation.

Now let me tell you how he was treated by the staff after he was injured.... They continued to support him even though he was no longer contributing to the team. They continued to provide medical treatment and support for his injury. He still receives medical attention through the training room for his injury. Two of his coaches, including Bohl, wrote letters of recommendation so that he could apply to grad school as well.

I am no there to pass judgement on anyone but please understand that at this level it is truly "the next man up" mentality and it has nothing to do with the kid or the injury. It is simply a business in which they, the coaches, must perform. their jobs depend on it.
Click to expand...
Thank you for the great information! While it won't take away from the coach Bohl detractors any, it is nice to hear the other side of the story. The biggest takeaway I have from this is that it is not a Wyoming problem but a problem with the NCAA in general. This should be amateur athletics but as time goes forward they're doing their best to make it not. Every dumb little thing is an NCAA violation and that is half of the problem. For a "nonprofit" organization they sure act far from it. Emmert, the commissioner of the NCAA made 1.7 in 2012-2013 but yet there are athletes like Will Tutein who can't even pay rent. I would say a lot of the issues being discussed here are not a Wyoming issue but an NCAA issue in which Wyoming is following suit.
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Slow Brain needs to read this.....but of course he already knows it because he knows everything!
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Well at least you are beginning to realize that I know everything! :cool:
 
jarhead said:
Ok, I have been lurking on this thread for a little while. Perhaps I can add some insight. My son was offered a scholarship from a walk-on status. We like to think that he earned this offer because of his relentless work ethic and willingness to do anything for the football team. It is also feasible to think that the coaches believed that he may contribute on the field at some point. However in the Mich St game last year he sustained what turned out to be a career ending injury. He too was asked not to go to the team meetings any longer, or attend the weight lifting sessions, or go to practice. Now if I were to leave it there it would seem to support some of the claims on this thread. But, what many people don't realize is that when an athlete is medically disqualified, as my son was, the scholarship is no longer policed by the football team. He becomes a ward of the school, so to speak. Therefore his involvement in the earlier mentioned activities would be viewed as an NCAA violation.

Now let me tell you how he was treated by the staff after he was injured.... They continued to support him even though he was no longer contributing to the team. They continued to provide medical treatment and support for his injury. He still receives medical attention through the training room for his injury. Two of his coaches, including Bohl, wrote letters of recommendation so that he could apply to grad school as well.

I am no there to pass judgement on anyone but please understand that at this level it is truly "the next man up" mentality and it has nothing to do with the kid or the injury. It is simply a business in which they, the coaches, must perform. their jobs depend on it.
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Career ending injury would be completely different then a injury and rehab , if not that would make no since.
 
jarhead said:
Ok, I have been lurking on this thread for a little while. Perhaps I can add some insight. My son was offered a scholarship from a walk-on status. We like to think that he earned this offer because of his relentless work ethic and willingness to do anything for the football team. It is also feasible to think that the coaches believed that he may contribute on the field at some point. However in the Mich St game last year he sustained what turned out to be a career ending injury. He too was asked not to go to the team meetings any longer, or attend the weight lifting sessions, or go to practice. Now if I were to leave it there it would seem to support some of the claims on this thread. But, what many people don't realize is that when an athlete is medically disqualified, as my son was, the scholarship is no longer policed by the football team. He becomes a ward of the school, so to speak. Therefore his involvement in the earlier mentioned activities would be viewed as an NCAA violation.

Now let me tell you how he was treated by the staff after he was injured.... They continued to support him even though he was no longer contributing to the team. They continued to provide medical treatment and support for his injury. He still receives medical attention through the training room for his injury. Two of his coaches, including Bohl, wrote letters of recommendation so that he could apply to grad school as well.

I am no there to pass judgement on anyone but please understand that at this level it is truly "the next man up" mentality and it has nothing to do with the kid or the injury. It is simply a business in which they, the coaches, must perform. their jobs depend on it.
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Thank you very much for the information Jarhead.
 
PotatoCreekPete said:
You think that you are funny, but I learned a long time ago, people like you are just plain pathetic. No humor intented, just realistically stated.
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There is though, that very rare person who is both funny and pathetic.
 
So if they pay players, there would need to be some sort of luxury tax. Every pro sport has a mechanism to keep parity
 
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