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After McClain got canned I wanted to hire Tim Miles
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JimmyDimes
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Exactly, Miles sucks. He's finally doing better than the pigtail game. I wanted Cox (Wyoming guy) but backed anyone we hired. Hopefully we can get this turned aroudn sooner than later.
bladerunnr
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Very mature posts. "he's a douche bag" and "he sucks". Well, I don't really know how he'll pan out but I have not seen or heard anything from Miles to suggest he deserves idiotic comments like that. Other than Boyd Grant, no one has been successful at csu. They have very little fan support and maybe the worst gym in the league (other than air force).
By the way, Miles had more success as a head coach than Schroyer before they started their current jobs.
By the way, Miles had more success as a head coach than Schroyer before they started their current jobs.
Poke Around
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Whatever you think about Miles is fine, but bottom line is he can coach circles around Schroyer. That doesn't mean he is a genius but his teams play hard and have a purpose.
Maybe Miles can coach circles around Schroyer but I would be willing to bet that Schroyer can out swear, berate his players more thoroughly, and bad mouth prior coaching staffs on a much, much higher level than Miles could ever hope to achieve.
Can anyone verify for me that McClain was on a committee for recommending a new AD when Burman was being hired? Have heard a rumor that McClain was in favor of Welniak(?) over Burman but I was thinking that Burman was on some recommending committee earlier on but not when Burman was hired. Anyone know anything about this?
Can anyone verify for me that McClain was on a committee for recommending a new AD when Burman was being hired? Have heard a rumor that McClain was in favor of Welniak(?) over Burman but I was thinking that Burman was on some recommending committee earlier on but not when Burman was hired. Anyone know anything about this?
Poke Around
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wylrae said:
No. Don't think Welniak was a serious candidate. Too much laundry on his list from Fresno State and So Ill. Besides, Welniak is tied into the Schroyer-Burman circle. He may be lurking right now so he can correct me if this is in error.
Cowduck
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I saw Miles in action up here in the Top of the World (RIP) in his first season, when he had like seven healthy scholarshipped bodies and a bunch of walkons - he had that bunch of scrubs playing hard for him and they housed Oregon State. I guess I don't know if he's a great recruiter, but as a strategist and motivator he's pretty damn good in my opinion, and he has his program trending in the right direction. He inherited a bigger mess than Schroyer did at the same time, and I can't say that our program is in better shape than CSU's as of right now. You can badmouth him all you want because he's CSU's coach and we all hate those pukes, but at the end of the day if you had a time machine and could go back three years and force Burman to hire Miles instead of Schroyer I think everyone on this board would do it.
McPeachy
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Cowduck said:
Cowduck,
If we are comparing Miles to Schroyer...that is one thing, and I would agree Miles is the better coach (x's and o's, as a players coach, and obviously in-game). And yes, I will bag on anything and everything CSU...although I did have a certain level of respect for Sonny.
Now that being said...if we had that time machine to go back and hire somebody else, neither Miles or Schroyer, would be in my top 20!!
Dread_Pirate_Cowboy
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Cowduck said:
What mess did Shroyer inherit? The only issue other than being an ordinary team was grades. Did Shroyer kick one single kid off the team because he wasn't getting good enough grades? I don't think so. Shroyer inherited a team with a winning record, a team that had been deep in the MWC tourney, a team with 3 starters returning, a team with major subs returning amounting to 80% of all playing time from the previous years team, a team with arguably the best guard and the best guard tandem in the conference.
All of you suckers, and Burman, bought Shroyer's lame excuses for poor performance in 2008. "rebuilding" my arse! The only rebuilding Shroyer had to do was getting kids to attend classes. After 3 years, now the program is in a total shambles. We are far FAR worse now than any time since Joby Wright's last season.....possibly worse than any team since pre-Brandenberg.
JimmyDimes
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Dread_Pirate_Cowboy said:
Not trying to get into a pissing match, but you are wrong. McClain's last three years were not good and getting worse. He couldn't recruit the kids needed to compete and it showed. His problem was job hunting at a time he could have really got this program going. Instead, he put us in a position to make a change. Now, at this point it appears the change made wasn't the change needed. But don't kid yourself, we were not in good shape when Heath took over.
As a Cowboy fan, I just want to get back to winning and any coach who can accomplish this for us is the coach we need.
bladerunnr
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Jimmy, I think you are somewhat correct. I remember once Justin Williams was gone, McClain's last year was not good. Travis Nelson and Eric Plat were not really working out and we just had no inside game. Also, the fight in New Mexico and the 50 pt beat down to Air force when everyone was suspended was the last nail in the coffin for McClain.
However, the returning talent was not bad. We were picked to finish 3d or 4th in the league. However, I agree that McClain was running the program into the ground. If I remember right, if he had not got us to the MWC championship game the year before, he would have been let go.
Here's the problem as I see it: what recruit will come here with the program in it's current condition? A player has to wonder why have there been all these defections and can this guy coach a winning team? In a way, this is like Joe Glen's last year. A recruit must know that the coach is on the hot seat. So if he comes here, there is a chance that he will be playing for someone else the following year.
IMHO, we are looking at another terrible season next year unless Schroyer can bring in some JC kids who can help asap. A JC kid might take a chance where he knows he can get playing time right away. Of course, you don't always get the best students when you go the JC route. That was McClain's dilemna. Now, it's Schroyer's.
However, the returning talent was not bad. We were picked to finish 3d or 4th in the league. However, I agree that McClain was running the program into the ground. If I remember right, if he had not got us to the MWC championship game the year before, he would have been let go.
Here's the problem as I see it: what recruit will come here with the program in it's current condition? A player has to wonder why have there been all these defections and can this guy coach a winning team? In a way, this is like Joe Glen's last year. A recruit must know that the coach is on the hot seat. So if he comes here, there is a chance that he will be playing for someone else the following year.
IMHO, we are looking at another terrible season next year unless Schroyer can bring in some JC kids who can help asap. A JC kid might take a chance where he knows he can get playing time right away. Of course, you don't always get the best students when you go the JC route. That was McClain's dilemna. Now, it's Schroyer's.
Cowduck
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bladerunnr said:
McClain's teams were trending poorly in terms of on-the-court results, the lack of discipline led to a very bad spell of negative publicity for the university (the brawl in the Pit), and the team's academic issues were threatening to cost the program scholarships. I'm obviously not defending Schroyer, considering that the whole thrust of my post was that I never wanted UW to hire him in the first place and I still feel that way, but it would be disingenuous to say Schroyer inherited a great situation. CSU was a trainwreck at that same point in time, though. Now it's our program that's on the verge of getting derailed.
fromolwyoming
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I really wouldn't compare the two. Though Glenn was not the best of Div. 1 coaches (to say the least), he at least had a very good personality and actually encouraged his players instead of just shouting at them.bladerunnr said:
Bad spell of negative publicity? You have got to be kidding me. The so called brawl in the pit was only a big dal to some in Wyoming.To most people it was a pushing match..And other than that what is your spell?
The teams academic issues? no player has ever not been eligible academically for the start of the season and only one player was academically ineligible for the second semester and that was Chris Anderson who since he was a senior at the time did not affect the APR and could not have cost a scholarship. As I have stated the lost scholarship was due in most part to Steve Leven thinking he could go pro after his junior year and not attending class so he left no in academic good standing and James Spencer.
Platt,Nelson,Okoye, Lawall, and every other player who left WAS in good standing so where is the academic mess that Schroyer shovelled and you bought?
The lack of discipline? So I will bet you will name me the players who were suspended for off court behavior? Okay you can tell me that Wyoming had more players arrested than each school in the MWC.
Stop thnking that Schroyer has fixed anything at WYO.He hasn't and in fact more is broken.It is just covered up better because he has the support of the AD.To many excuses are made for this guy.His job is to win basketball games and he isn't doing that. The end period.
You can be the most happy employee in the firm but if you are ahn accountant and are bad with numbers nobody cares that you organized the break room, cleaned the storage room you would be fired.
Academics are the job of the AD and the academic advisors and tutors that work for the AD..The coach needs to win win games or move on.
Oh and to the poster that said we had no post presence after JW left I would say that Daaron Brown was a better presence. He could not block balls from the weak side like Juston but brown had offense and could rebound and play man to man defense, When he got hurt that season changed course..
But what post presence has Schroyer given us ? Liskens ? Sylla ?
Teams with lesser talent played hard and compteted for McLain. Schroyers own recruits don't like,respect or put it on the line for him?
Aaron
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very well put PL.
It still bothers me that the last game of McClains Wyoming tenure MANY of us fans left the AA thinking that we had just watched the team that could win the MWC. The team left us with hope for the future. Then they fired him and hired a coach that could turn Kansas into a losing team...
And why does everyone hate Platt so much? He was an awesome shooter until Heath made him change his odd looking shot. There was no need to do that. The way he shot wasn't affecting whether it was blocked or not. It just made him able to have a quick release that got Wyoming a lot of threes. Once Heath took over his shot changed and the only shots he hit were ones taken with his old form. And for every made three like that he got yelled at...
It still bothers me that the last game of McClains Wyoming tenure MANY of us fans left the AA thinking that we had just watched the team that could win the MWC. The team left us with hope for the future. Then they fired him and hired a coach that could turn Kansas into a losing team...
And why does everyone hate Platt so much? He was an awesome shooter until Heath made him change his odd looking shot. There was no need to do that. The way he shot wasn't affecting whether it was blocked or not. It just made him able to have a quick release that got Wyoming a lot of threes. Once Heath took over his shot changed and the only shots he hit were ones taken with his old form. And for every made three like that he got yelled at...
