AF @ UW

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Just got home. Fuck yes we demolished the greenies!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I LOVE this shit. Def went small ball looking at those stats and Liebs had a breakout game it looks like. That's great. This is a really big win for us. Hoping the team is about to really start to come alive. I mean the only thing better then kicking AF's ass hard is a good ole fashion smackdown on BYU, or of course torching CSU. Thanks Pokes sad I had to work.....I would've loved to watch that.

 

[laxwyo]

I listened to first half and watched second. In particular, Lieberman killed us during our dry spell. Missed shots and Layups and turning the ball over. I was surprised when I heard how many points he had. Good to see him turn it around during our final run

 

[davidwyo]

Re-watched the game online, thank you Wyo Tech Team - much better game all around in my opinion. The sophomores stepped up, Shyatt changed the line up and Lieberman played great, assist, rebounds and 4 for 5 from 3 point land. Huge game for him, happy to see his confidence back. Agree he should just catch the ball and release because when he thinks about it he doesn't hit it. The two TO's I'm not worried about. Way to go Cowboys solid game, now lets win Saturday.

 

[LanderPoke]

Lieberman played really well. Good for him. James only played 9 min which is unacceptable. James should be getting 30 min a game.

It was interesting that Barns and Naughton both played 0 minutes. We really did go small.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Lieberman played really well. Good for him. James only played 9 min which is unacceptable. James should be getting 30 min a game.

It was interesting that Barns and Naughton both played 0 minutes. We really did go small.

How about getting Marshall some minutes. What a waste..

 

[stymeman]

Good win to get started, regardless, I'll take it, afterall we haven't beat the Zoomies at home in quite some time

 

[LanderPoke]

Lieberman played really well. Good for him. James only played 9 min which is unacceptable. James should be getting 30 min a game.

It was interesting that Barns and Naughton both played 0 minutes. We really did go small.

How about getting Marshall some minutes. What a waste..

That, too. I've finally given up on seeing Marshall.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Lieberman played really well. Good for him. James only played 9 min which is unacceptable. James should be getting 30 min a game.

It was interesting that Barns and Naughton both played 0 minutes. We really did go small.

How about getting Marshall some minutes. What a waste..

That, too. I've finally given up on seeing Marshall.

This is my biggest gripe with Shyatt. James comes in and scores 7 quick points and Shyatt immediately takes him out. He never saw another minute in the game. WTF!?!? Then Trey throws one into the stands and then dribbles it off his foot out of bounds on two straight possessions but plays most the game. I don't get it. Trey hasn't brought anything to the floor this season.

 

[TSpoke]

Lieberman played really well. Good for him. James only played 9 min which is unacceptable. James should be getting 30 min a game.

It was interesting that Barns and Naughton both played 0 minutes. We really did go small.

I thought everyone that played played well. Hope the confidence continues for Liebs and he continues to knock down shots. AKA played great as well I thought as did Trey minus a couple boneheaded turnovers. I understand wanting JJ to get more minutes but the lineup that was in when we had our big runs were playing well and I think Shy just decided to ride these guys this game. I have a feeling JJ will play more against UNLV. He is fun to watch so smooth offensively.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Lieberman played really well. Good for him. James only played 9 min which is unacceptable. James should be getting 30 min a game.

It was interesting that Barns and Naughton both played 0 minutes. We really did go small.

How about getting Marshall some minutes. What a waste..

From what I've heard (message board chatter) Marshall might be looking into a medical redshirt. Apparently his foot injury if keeping him off the court......now you have the rest of the story.

 

[LanderPoke]

Lieberman played really well. Good for him. James only played 9 min which is unacceptable. James should be getting 30 min a game.

It was interesting that Barns and Naughton both played 0 minutes. We really did go small.

How about getting Marshall some minutes. What a waste..

That, too. I've finally given up on seeing Marshall.

This is my biggest gripe with Shyatt. James comes in and scores 7 quick points and Shyatt immediately takes him out. He never saw another minute in the game. WTF!?!? Then Trey throws one into the stands and then dribbles it off his foot out of bounds on two straight possessions but plays most the game. I don't get it. Trey hasn't brought anything to the floor this season.

I think we could have beat them by 30 if James plays the amount of minutes he should.

 

[McPeachy]

Overall - pretty solid performance. Given the hand we have, we will win more than lose if we play like last night the rest of the way.

Adams was out of sorts for about 25 minutes of court time, and still ended up with 20 & 10 - wow.

The few mistakes that were made are going to happen, especially with the youth. Dalton shouldn't be jacking from 3 range, regardless though. Some fundamental brain farts on the court as well last night...three times I saw rule #1 violated (know where the ball is, and keep your "eye" on it).

Refs didn't do us any favors, but they didn't hurt us too bad either (is still amazes me that we get home-towned at home by that spiked / dyed hair son of a bitch).

Heard that Marshall / Shyatt may be leaning toward a redshirt, but I am not sure that can happen at this point in the season, including his appearances. If that was the case, not sure I would be having him suit up / warm up, but I surely don't get the ins & outs of redshirting like the staff does.

Pretty decent crowd, considering mid-week with no students. Shocked that our new President's favorite team came back and beat UNLV last night as well. That made me sick.

 

[LanderPoke]

Not only should Dalton not shoot from three he should not shoot period. His air ball % is off the charts. He struggles to get it to the basket from anywhere on the court. Layups, midrange, threes.. Maybe shoot an uncontested layup. He's actually a decent rebounder and passer though. Stick to rebounding and passing, Dalton.

 

[TSpoke]

Lieberman played really well. Good for him. James only played 9 min which is unacceptable. James should be getting 30 min a game.

It was interesting that Barns and Naughton both played 0 minutes. We really did go small.

How about getting Marshall some minutes. What a waste..

That, too. I've finally given up on seeing Marshall.

This is my biggest gripe with Shyatt. James comes in and scores 7 quick points and Shyatt immediately takes him out. He never saw another minute in the game. WTF!?!? Then Trey throws one into the stands and then dribbles it off his foot out of bounds on two straight possessions but plays most the game. I don't get it. Trey hasn't brought anything to the floor this season.

I think we could have beat them by 30 if James plays the amount of minutes he should.

Holmgren just tweeted out that even though he was 3-3 from the field he was -9 in plus minus rating in his 9 minutes. Those advanced analytics don't always tell the whole story but they do show something. Gorski on the other hand was +19 in plus minus rating. Pretty impressive.

 

[nwpoke]

It's fun watching these guys settle into their roles. Just listening to the game, I was really impressed with Gorski and Lieb's last night.

Would someone mind pointing me to a primer so I can learn about the +/- stats Holmgren refers to?

 

[seattlecowboy]

The +/- rating is one of the weakest stats there is honestly. You could have one of your good players on the court with 4 scrubs at some point during the game and you could have him end up with a minus rating and then put a scrub in with 4 better players and they could have a plus rating and then you would look at the stats and be like well I guess so and so sucked last night while they were in the game.

I know I am somewhat exaggerating it to one extreme but in reality that stat can be skewed big time so that is why I don't really put too much weight into it. I think it is an okay stat when used in combination with many others but by itself it doesn't tell the whole story and sometimes makes things seem a lot different than they really were. Just my opinion :thumb:

 

[TSpoke]

The +/- rating is one of the weakest stats there is honestly. You could have one of your good players on the court with 4 scrubs at some point during the game and you could have him end up with a minus rating and then put a scrub in with 4 better players and they could have a plus rating and then you would look at the stats and be like well I guess so and so sucked last night while they were in the game.

I know I am somewhat exaggerating it to one extreme but in reality that stat can be skewed big time so that is why I don't really put too much weight into it. I think it is an okay stat when used in combination with many others but by itself it doesn't tell the whole story and sometimes makes things seem a lot different than they really were. Just my opinion :thumb:

I agree it can be skewed but is is useful with use wit hother metrics. My point is that this metric pointed that JJ might not have played as well as it looked just looking at stats. I would have to watch again(don't think I will) but I think I remember him having some issues on D. I really enjoy watching JJ play and want to see more of him but can't really complain with having the guys out on the court they had yesterday when they got the results they did.

 

[seattlecowboy]

The +/- rating is one of the weakest stats there is honestly. You could have one of your good players on the court with 4 scrubs at some point during the game and you could have him end up with a minus rating and then put a scrub in with 4 better players and they could have a plus rating and then you would look at the stats and be like well I guess so and so sucked last night while they were in the game.

I know I am somewhat exaggerating it to one extreme but in reality that stat can be skewed big time so that is why I don't really put too much weight into it. I think it is an okay stat when used in combination with many others but by itself it doesn't tell the whole story and sometimes makes things seem a lot different than they really were. Just my opinion :thumb:

I agree it can be skewed but is is useful with use wit hother metrics. My point is that this metric pointed that JJ might not have played as well as it looked just looking at stats. I would have to watch again(don't think I will) but I think I remember him having some issues on D. I really enjoy watching JJ play and want to see more of him but can't really complain with having the guys out on the court they had yesterday when they got the results they did.

Yeah I agree with you. I wasn't speaking directly at you so hopefully you didn't take it the wrong way. I was just saying in general that stat seems to skew things sometimes. I noticed it most after watching Nance play in multiple NBA games where he actually played a pretty good game and was playing great defense but other guys on his team were playing horrible defense and then they get down by 20 points and really it wasn't Nance's fault but he ends up with a -20 plus/minus rating . That is the only thing I don't like about it. I agree with you it can be useful in certain situations though.

 

[TSpoke]

The +/- rating is one of the weakest stats there is honestly. You could have one of your good players on the court with 4 scrubs at some point during the game and you could have him end up with a minus rating and then put a scrub in with 4 better players and they could have a plus rating and then you would look at the stats and be like well I guess so and so sucked last night while they were in the game.

I know I am somewhat exaggerating it to one extreme but in reality that stat can be skewed big time so that is why I don't really put too much weight into it. I think it is an okay stat when used in combination with many others but by itself it doesn't tell the whole story and sometimes makes things seem a lot different than they really were. Just my opinion :thumb:

I agree it can be skewed but is is useful with use wit hother metrics. My point is that this metric pointed that JJ might not have played as well as it looked just looking at stats. I would have to watch again(don't think I will) but I think I remember him having some issues on D. I really enjoy watching JJ play and want to see more of him but can't really complain with having the guys out on the court they had yesterday when they got the results they did.

Yeah I agree with you. I wasn't speaking directly at you so hopefully you didn't take it the wrong way. I was just saying in general that stat seems to skew things sometimes. I noticed it most after watching Nance play in multiple NBA games where he actually played a pretty good game and was playing great defense but other guys on his team were playing horrible defense and then they get down by 20 points and really it wasn't Nance's fault but he ends up with a -20 plus/minus rating . That is the only thing I don't like about it. I agree with you it can be useful in certain situations though.

No worries. Didn't take it wrong. :thumb:

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Lieberman played really well. Good for him. James only played 9 min which is unacceptable. James should be getting 30 min a game.

It was interesting that Barns and Naughton both played 0 minutes. We really did go small.

How about getting Marshall some minutes. What a waste..

That, too. I've finally given up on seeing Marshall.

This is my biggest gripe with Shyatt. James comes in and scores 7 quick points and Shyatt immediately takes him out. He never saw another minute in the game. WTF!?!? Then Trey throws one into the stands and then dribbles it off his foot out of bounds on two straight possessions but plays most the game. I don't get it. Trey hasn't brought anything to the floor this season.

I think we could have beat them by 30 if James plays the amount of minutes he should.

Holmgren just tweeted out that even though he was 3-3 from the field he was -9 in plus minus rating in his 9 minutes. Those advanced analytics don't always tell the whole story but they do show something. Gorski on the other hand was +19 in plus minus rating. Pretty impressive.

Do you know, what does this analytics process take into account? What was Trey's rating last night?