AF game

[calpoke25]

Right now is the time to experiment with everything we have to see what we can come up with for the tournament. There is no reason Air Force of all teams should be killing us on the interior. I can understand when Air Force gets hot from deep and wins with high level execution and 3s. Why not experiment with every lineup possible? Do something like play Naughton, Barnes, Herndon, James/JMac and Adams all at once. That is a massive, old school NBA lineup that I wouldn't want to see a lot of but in limited stretches against a team like AF that isn't as athletic? Maybe we could just completely pummel them, who knows, but at least try it! Maybe we get torched but it's not any worse than what we're already doing.

 

[calpoke25]

Or my other hypothetical lineup more in the small ball direction, Adams, JMac, James, Marshall, Herndon/Naughton. That is a lineup full of offensive threats where everyone is a threat off the dribble and can spot up or just run Adams/Naughton pick and roll surrounded by those other offensive weapons. Defensively they can switch just about everything on the perimeter.

 

[LanderPoke]

Or my other hypothetical lineup more in the small ball direction, Adams, JMac, James, Marshall, Herndon/Naughton. That is a lineup full of offensive threats where everyone is a threat off the dribble and can spot up or just run Adams/Naughton pick and roll surrounded by those other offensive weapons. Defensively they can switch just about everything on the perimeter.

Oh Shyatt would never go for that. There's wayyy too many first year players. smh. And they score too well and are too good of athletes.

 

[stymeman]

when is the time gonna come when all the support players are gonna stop disappearing? Herndon and Jason played good most the 1st half and then they disappeared, man oh man, Josh can't do it all, AF did out physical us last night and it got in our heads, man oh man, Earth to supporting cast the next 6 games need you!!!

 

[kansasCowboy]

Right now is the time to experiment with everything we have to see what we can come up with for the tournament. There is no reason Air Force of all teams should be killing us on the interior. I can understand when Air Force gets hot from deep and wins with high level execution and 3s. Why not experiment with every lineup possible? Do something like play Naughton, Barnes, Herndon, James/JMac and Adams all at once. That is a massive, old school NBA lineup that I wouldn't want to see a lot of but in limited stretches against a team like AF that isn't as athletic? Maybe we could just completely pummel them, who knows, but at least try it! Maybe we get torched but it's not any worse than what we're already doing.

Our coaches like to stick with their game plan on a team. Especially if we play them twice and definitely if we were successful the first time around.
Our line up and bench players for this game was EXACTLY the SAME as the first time we played AF. Barnes and Naughton have yet to play against AF this year.
Our games against Nevada. The players and time (for the most part) were exactly the same. I wouldn't be surprised that if we saw AF again in the tourney that our coaches wouldn't do exactly the same thing again. I noticed this trend last year. The only exception to last year was utilizing Bentz near the end of the year. Look and watch our lineups from when we were successful or in a game that was close enough to go both ways earlier and see if the line up and minutes look similar. Games like UNM, CSU and possibly FSU. With a game like we had with SDS and SJS we may see a change.
This is just something I've noticed, may be relevant, may not.

 

[stymeman]

i sometimes wonder why Barnes plays most games at home on the road he's non existent as well as Naughton, just don't get it

 

[calpoke25]

Right now is the time to experiment with everything we have to see what we can come up with for the tournament. There is no reason Air Force of all teams should be killing us on the interior. I can understand when Air Force gets hot from deep and wins with high level execution and 3s. Why not experiment with every lineup possible? Do something like play Naughton, Barnes, Herndon, James/JMac and Adams all at once. That is a massive, old school NBA lineup that I wouldn't want to see a lot of but in limited stretches against a team like AF that isn't as athletic? Maybe we could just completely pummel them, who knows, but at least try it! Maybe we get torched but it's not any worse than what we're already doing.

Our coaches like to stick with their game plan on a team. Especially if we play them twice and definitely if we were successful the first time around.
Our line up and bench players for this game was EXACTLY the SAME as the first time we played AF. Barnes and Naughton have yet to play against AF this year.
Our games against Nevada. The players and time (for the most part) were exactly the same. I wouldn't be surprised that if we saw AF again in the tourney that our coaches wouldn't do exactly the same thing again. I noticed this trend last year. The only exception to last year was utilizing Bentz near the end of the year. Look and watch our lineups from when we were successful or in a game that was close enough to go both ways earlier and see if the line up and minutes look similar. Games like UNM, CSU and possibly FSU. With a game like we had with SDS and SJS we may see a change.
This is just something I've noticed, may be relevant, may not.

Are you defending the tactic? I can't tell. I agree with you that the staff will use the exact same lineup for each opponent every time. This fails to take into account adjustments the opponent will make the 2nd time you play. And also we continually let the opponent dictate to us how and who were going to play. Why not use some of my aforementioned lineups and try to dictate to the opponent for a change? Run with an ultra big or ultra small ball (scorer based, not defense based with TW and JL) and see what the opponent does? Especially a limited opponent like Air Force. We should be dictating to them how we're going to play.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Right now is the time to experiment with everything we have to see what we can come up with for the tournament. There is no reason Air Force of all teams should be killing us on the interior. I can understand when Air Force gets hot from deep and wins with high level execution and 3s. Why not experiment with every lineup possible? Do something like play Naughton, Barnes, Herndon, James/JMac and Adams all at once. That is a massive, old school NBA lineup that I wouldn't want to see a lot of but in limited stretches against a team like AF that isn't as athletic? Maybe we could just completely pummel them, who knows, but at least try it! Maybe we get torched but it's not any worse than what we're already doing.

Our coaches like to stick with their game plan on a team. Especially if we play them twice and definitely if we were successful the first time around.
Our line up and bench players for this game was EXACTLY the SAME as the first time we played AF. Barnes and Naughton have yet to play against AF this year.
Our games against Nevada. The players and time (for the most part) were exactly the same. I wouldn't be surprised that if we saw AF again in the tourney that our coaches wouldn't do exactly the same thing again. I noticed this trend last year. The only exception to last year was utilizing Bentz near the end of the year. Look and watch our lineups from when we were successful or in a game that was close enough to go both ways earlier and see if the line up and minutes look similar. Games like UNM, CSU and possibly FSU. With a game like we had with SDS and SJS we may see a change.
This is just something I've noticed, may be relevant, may not.

Are you defending the tactic? I can't tell. I agree with you that the staff will use the exact same lineup for each opponent every time. This fails to take into account adjustments the opponent will make the 2nd time you play. And also we continually let the opponent dictate to us how and who were going to play. Why not use some of my aforementioned lineups and try to dictate to the opponent for a change? Run with an ultra big or ultra small ball (scorer based, not defense based with TW and JL) and see what the opponent does? Especially a limited opponent like Air Force. We should be dictating to them how we're going to play.

Just an observation. Not defending. In fact, personally, I'm not a fan of it. Coaching like this has it's benefits, but it's not my cup of tea. And if you coach like this generally you see a very confused and irritated fan base. Mainly because we will always be on the "outside looking in" and never understanding the full picture the coaching staff sees.
I'm more of a coach that tends to set up my line up and strategy, but am willing to make changes when it backfires or we struggle. Coach Shy rarely varies from his predetermined plan. Even if it makes "no sense" to others.

 

[TSpoke]

Right now is the time to experiment with everything we have to see what we can come up with for the tournament. There is no reason Air Force of all teams should be killing us on the interior. I can understand when Air Force gets hot from deep and wins with high level execution and 3s. Why not experiment with every lineup possible? Do something like play Naughton, Barnes, Herndon, James/JMac and Adams all at once. That is a massive, old school NBA lineup that I wouldn't want to see a lot of but in limited stretches against a team like AF that isn't as athletic? Maybe we could just completely pummel them, who knows, but at least try it! Maybe we get torched but it's not any worse than what we're already doing.

Our coaches like to stick with their game plan on a team. Especially if we play them twice and definitely if we were successful the first time around.
Our line up and bench players for this game was EXACTLY the SAME as the first time we played AF. Barnes and Naughton have yet to play against AF this year.
Our games against Nevada. The players and time (for the most part) were exactly the same. I wouldn't be surprised that if we saw AF again in the tourney that our coaches wouldn't do exactly the same thing again. I noticed this trend last year. The only exception to last year was utilizing Bentz near the end of the year. Look and watch our lineups from when we were successful or in a game that was close enough to go both ways earlier and see if the line up and minutes look similar. Games like UNM, CSU and possibly FSU. With a game like we had with SDS and SJS we may see a change.
This is just something I've noticed, may be relevant, may not.

Are you defending the tactic? I can't tell. I agree with you that the staff will use the exact same lineup for each opponent every time. This fails to take into account adjustments the opponent will make the 2nd time you play. And also we continually let the opponent dictate to us how and who were going to play. Why not use some of my aforementioned lineups and try to dictate to the opponent for a change? Run with an ultra big or ultra small ball (scorer based, not defense based with TW and JL) and see what the opponent does? Especially a limited opponent like Air Force. We should be dictating to them how we're going to play.

Just an observation. Not defending. In fact, personally, I'm not a fan of it. Coaching like this has it's benefits, but it's not my cup of tea. And if you coach like this generally you see a very confused and irritated fan base. Mainly because we will always be on the "outside looking in" and never understanding the full picture the coaching staff sees.
I'm more of a coach that tends to set up my line up and strategy, but am willing to make changes when it backfires or we struggle. Coach Shy rarely varies from his predetermined plan. Even if it makes "no sense" to others.

Well the plan seemed to work fine in 3 put of the 4 halves of basketball they played in so to act like they kept trying something that wasn't working isn't really being fair. It was only in the second half of this game did we struggle.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Rebuilding year....where we can beat teams like New Mexico and New Mexico State on the road, but lose to SJSU and Air Force on the road. Team just needs to learn how to win....playing tougher and smarter.

Some of you might have missed the part that there are only two contributing upperclassmen on this team. I expect all the underclassmen to continue to grow and develop. What they bring today does not equate to what they will bring tomorrow.

I will add that I like this lineup and hope if becomes used more often going forward:

Josh
McM
Herndon
JJ
Naughton

 

[Adv8RU12]

... the staff will use the exact same lineup for each opponent every time. This fails to take into account adjustments the opponent will make the 2nd time you play.

Exactly, exactly, exactly! Shyatt doesn't have to write down the game plan and turn it over to the opponent. They already know.

 

[calpoke25]

Rebuilding year....where we can beat teams like New Mexico and New Mexico State on the road, but lose to SJSU and Air Force on the road. Team just needs to learn how to win....playing tougher and smarter.

Some of you might have missed the part that there are only two contributing upperclassmen on this team. I expect all the underclassmen to continue to grow and develop. What they bring today does not equate to what they will bring tomorrow.

I will add that I like this lineup and hope if becomes used more often going forward:

Josh
McM
Herndon
JJ
Naughton

I have no problem with losing some games due to inexperience and what not. I have a problem though when after the game it feels like we didn't try everything and everybody we could to win. I have a problem with the feeling I still have that our team isn't always playing the best possible lineup. Do you feel like we tried everything we could have last night? I don't and I've already stated some lineups we could have at least tried.

 

[calpoke25]

It just boggles my mind to think that Jack Bentz got to play critical minutes on a MW championship team and Marshall, who in the limited action and warm ups I have seen is 10x the basketball player/athlete, isn't allowed to sniff the floor on a 4-7 team. Boggles my mind and I'm not sure I'll ever understand it. I fully get the "not playing guys who don't understand defense" thing on a team that has high expectations and a small margin for error like last year, but this year?

 

[LanderPoke]

It just boggles my mind to think that Jack Bentz got to play critical minutes on a MW championship team and Marshall, who in the limited action and warm ups I have seen is 10x the basketball player/athlete, isn't allowed to sniff the floor on a 4-7 team. Boggles my mind and I'm not sure I'll ever understand it. I fully get the "not playing guys who don't understand defense" thing on a team that has high expectations and a small margin for error like last year, but this year?

+1,000,000

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

It just boggles my mind to think that Jack Bentz got to play critical minutes on a MW championship team and Marshall, who in the limited action and warm ups I have seen is 10x the basketball player/athlete, isn't allowed to sniff the floor on a 4-7 team. Boggles my mind and I'm not sure I'll ever understand it. I fully get the "not playing guys who don't understand defense" thing on a team that has high expectations and a small margin for error like last year, but this year?

+1,000,000

You're not alone. And its not like Bentz was a shut down defender....

 

[stymeman]

it's really time for Herndon to really start stepping it up, i thought being at home last night woulda helped more but when he missed those 4 straight throws, you could see it really got to him and he dwelled on it and wasn't a factor at all after that, sigh......

 

[TSpoke]

it's really time for Herndon to really start stepping it up, i thought being at home last night woulda helped more but when he missed those 4 straight throws, you could see it really got to him and he dwelled on it and wasn't a factor at all after that, sigh......

He was amazing the first half so not sure what happened after halftime. I also think part of it we didn't get him the ball early in the half like we did the first.

 

[stymeman]

it's really time for Herndon to really start stepping it up, i thought being at home last night woulda helped more but when he missed those 4 straight throws, you could see it really got to him and he dwelled on it and wasn't a factor at all after that, sigh......

He was amazing the first half so not sure what happened after halftime. I also think part of it we didn't get him the ball early in the half like we did the first.

STILL, cmon man you are almost a Junior and show signs sometimes and other times non existent, it' s time man, isn't it????? He was making moves down low and looked really good then Pffffft.....

 

[LanderPoke]

Herndon is not a big man. He's a massive, slow guard. It's not fair to ask him to be something he's not. He'll never dominate the glass like we want/need him to. This is why it's so dumb that we don't develop Naughton more.

And I can't believe Shyatt will go down in flames this year with Lieberman as his ball and chain. If you're only 6' you better bring some elite skills to the table. Lieberman has no elite skills. And it's painful to watch Gorski try a contested layup. Does he even have an 18'' vertical? Why not break out James for 30 min a game and use Marshall. It's getting ridiculous.

 

[joshvanklomp]

It just boggles my mind to think that Jack Bentz got to play critical minutes on a MW championship team and Marshall, who in the limited action and warm ups I have seen is 10x the basketball player/athlete, isn't allowed to sniff the floor on a 4-7 team. Boggles my mind and I'm not sure I'll ever understand it. I fully get the "not playing guys who don't understand defense" thing on a team that has high expectations and a small margin for error like last year, but this year?

Being a better athlete means nothing if you don't do what you're supposed to do with that athleticism.

You also have to look at lineups. We may not understand it, but it's obvious Shyatt sees Adams as a SG and not a PG. That means he needs to play next to a PG. People have questioned why Lieberman and Washington play but Marshall doesn't, it's because they are PGs and he isn't. Bentz played backup minutes last year because he was the PG Shyatt and the coaches trusted behind Grabau.