ACS to B-Smith to Thompson

[BeaverPoke]

We all know DC sucked as a coach, but he did get some talent here in Laramie. Not a whole bunch, but some. And most of it came in QBs.
We were all freaked out after ACS left, then Brett Smith showed after 1 season he was WAY better.
I don't know if Thompson will be better, but what I do know is that he is bigger, faster, and has a stronger arm than Brett.
If he is better, it won't be as big of an improvement Brett was over ACS, which I think was a HUGE improvement, and it definitely won't be reflected in the stats with the difference in the 2 offenses.

But Thompson is a QB that is ready to go. He paid attention to what was going on ALL season on the sidelines, and he was pretty impressive in summer and fall ball.

This coming season will be Thompsons first being the starter, and it will be Bohls first at Wyo.
Watch Thompson and Bohl grow together and figure it out, and lead Wyo to some wins.

I still think Brett would have been great in Bohl's system, but I have this feeling that this offense is designed for Thompson.
Drop back passes with a QB with a rocket arm, and roll-outs with a QB that is very fast.

Bohl will play it safe with Thompson and won't have him do too much so Thompson shouldn't throw too many picks, plus Wick is going to be the work-horse of the offense. We are going to run the ball a LOT, and then use that bootleg to get the big play.

When is the spring game? I'm ready!

 

[J-Rod]

Well, that didn't take long.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Well, that didn't take long.

:lol:

To be fair though, I have thought Thompson was going to be really good for a while now. It's not like I am all of a sudden trying to get kool-aid pumping again.

I just genuinely think Thompson is going to be a good QB for Wyo.

 

[J-Rod]

:lol:

To be fair though, I have thought Thompson was going to be really good for a while now. It's not like I am all of a sudden trying to get kool-aid pumping again.

I just genuinely think Thompson is going to be a good QB for Wyo.

He just might be....we'll see, he could lose the job to Fort too. But I did laugh at this post :lol: ....cause I joked YEARS ago that the moment Smith left/graduated, it wouldn't be long before you insinuated that Thompson may be better. Jason could be a good QB for UW, but he will undoubtedly be a drop off from Smith, potentially a big one.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Honest question here J-Rod, what have you seen/heard as to why Thompson won't be as good as Brett?
Is it just because Brett was so good you don't think there is any way Thompson could be as good?
Because Thompson is a DC QB recruit, and we know DC has a good eye for QBs.
And with better measurable traits, I don't see why he can't be as good.
Obviously I don't expect Thompson to pick up where Brett left off in season 1, but for the entire body of work from stats to wins to "X-factor" to NFL draft stock, why can't he be as good?

 

[BeaverPoke]

If you look at some QBs in recent years, there has been some success with the guy who was the backup once he got to start.
Jake Locker to Keith Price at Washington and Ryan Tannehill to Johnny Manziel at Texas A&M.

Obviously, that doesn't mean it won't work out that way, I just want to know why, with a realistic description, why he won't be as good.

 

[J-Rod]

Honest question here J-Rod, what have you seen/heard as to why Thompson won't be as good as Brett?
Is it just because Brett was so good you don't think there is any way Thompson could be as good?
Because Thompson is a DC QB recruit, and we know DC has a good eye for QBs.
And with better measurable traits, I don't see why he can't be as good.
Obviously I don't expect Thompson to pick up where Brett left off in season 1, but for the entire body of work from stats to wins to "X-factor" to NFL draft stock, why can't he be as good?

I'd spin that and ask, what have you seen to suggest he is that good? He's played backup reps at best, and lost his one start at home against a dreadful AFA defense in 2012. He's hardly proven to be as great as you make him out to be. I'd bet right now that Jason doesn't hit 2,500 passing yards next season. Following a great QB is a difficult task. He could be good, but great? Sorry, that's the brown and gold shades talking again BP.

Just go back and think about how amazing you thought B. Smith was going to be this season. Earth-shattering numbers......he didn't even come close? Why....well, because of what I've talked about for years now....UW is currently very bad in the trenches. Until that changes, there is a cap on what a Wyoming QB can accomplish. Smith struggled despite his immense talent. Thompson could struggle even more. Logic suggests he will, and it won't be his fault.

 

[BeaverPoke]

What makes me think that Thompson could be as good as Brett is his measurable traits, and how he didn't totally suck against AFA and how well he did in the summer and fall.
Obviously, that is not much.
But then again, I am not saying he will match what Brett did this last year, next season.
I think Thompson should put up numbers similar to what Brett did his freshman year.
20 pass TD and 10 rush TDs.

 

[ProudWYOAlum]

Honestly I'd be shocked if Thompson didn't win the starting job or lost it to a true freshman in Fort.

Thompson is in his third year of college football and has actually seen real game action. Fort is coming straight out of Wyoming high school football, I would think he might need a redshirt season.

 

[BeaverPoke]

The more I think about it, the more irritated I get with the whole "sky is falling" crap.
Yeah Brett Smith is leaving, but that doesn't mean we will never see anyone like him again.
We will, and his name is Jason Thompson.

 

[J-Rod]

The more I think about it, the more irritated I get with the whole "sky is falling" crap.
Yeah Brett Smith is leaving, but that doesn't mean we will never see anyone like him again.
We will, and his name is Jason Thompson.

lol I remember when Hawaii fans talked like you BP....after Brennan left. You are in for an unfortunate surprise...following a star QB is always a bitch. Very rarely does the next guy NOT receive criticism for not being like his predecessor. There will undoubtedly be a drop off at QB.

 

[Pokes Forever]

Stringing W's together and being competitive will ease the sting and help folks forget!

 

[BeaverPoke]

The more I think about it, the more irritated I get with the whole "sky is falling" crap.
Yeah Brett Smith is leaving, but that doesn't mean we will never see anyone like him again.
We will, and his name is Jason Thompson.

lol I remember when Hawaii fans talked like you BP....after Brennan left. You are in for an unfortunate surprise...following a star QB is always a bitch. Very rarely does the next guy NOT receive criticism for not being like his predecessor. There will undoubtedly be a drop off at QB.

But this is my point J-Rod, you and 99% of Wyo fans are already counting him out, not even giving him a shot. Look, Brett Smith was GREAT, but you make it seem like he did something that can never be done again.

So you think I sound like Hawaii fans after Brennan left? Fair enough but you do realize that was a totally different system right?
How about Mizzou fans after Brad Smith left for the NFL. Then after Chase Daniel left.

Just look at the body of work for DCs QBs since about 10 years ago, they get better and better.
Brad Smith to Chase Daniel to Blaine Gabbert. Then he goes to Wyo and has ACS then Brett Smith. What makes you think Thompson would be any different?

Again, the track record with DCs QBs, and the measurable traits of Thompson, make me think he is going to be pretty damn good.
And let's not forget that Gesser thinks Thompson will be an NFL QB someday too.

I bet Bohl has never had a QB like Thompson.

 

[J-Rod]

I bet Bohl has never had a QB like Thompson.

That would be a bad bet. NDSU currently has, and has previously had some stellar QBs under Bohl.

My point BP is, Smith was spectacular at UW despite having poor circumstances (very bad O-Line his whole career). Thompson is 27/52 in his career with 1 TD and 1 INT. You seem to believe based on this, he is a great QB comparable to Smith. Maybe he will end up being great, I don't know. But I'd place my bet on him struggling with the rest of the offense (particularly O-Line) in this drastic system change next season. Add in UW's toughest schedule in years, and there could be lots of struggling across the board. Thompson isn't exactly coming into the best situation ever. Everyone will be learning next season, including Bohl.

I'm just saying BP....you like to play the "it could happen" argument a lot. Yes, it could happen. But it is likely? Not even close.....seriously, go look at your posts about Smith, the offense, etc, before each of the last few seasons. Usually your sunny forecasts are wrong. You are a bad football weatherman. :lol: j/k

 

[BeaverPoke]

I bet Bohl has never had a QB like Thompson.

That would be a bad bet. NDSU currently has, and has previously had some stellar QBs under Bohl.

My point BP is, Smith was spectacular at UW despite having poor circumstances (very bad O-Line his whole career). Thompson is 27/52 in his career with 1 TD and 1 INT. You seem to believe based on this, he is a great QB comparable to Smith. Maybe he will end up being great, I don't know. But I'd place my bet on him struggling with the rest of the offense (particularly O-Line) in this drastic system change next season. Add in UW's toughest schedule in years, and there could be lots of struggling across the board. Thompson isn't exactly coming into the best situation ever. Everyone will be learning next season, including Bohl.

I'm just saying BP....you like to play the "it could happen" argument a lot. Yes, it could happen. But it is likely? Not even close.....seriously, go look at your posts about Smith, the offense, etc, before each of the last few seasons. Usually your sunny forecasts are wrong. You are a bad football weatherman. :lol: j/k

Lol fair enough, but like I've already said I don't think Thompson will pick-up where Smith left off.
I am saying over their 3 year careers (assuming Thompson stays all 3 years, but even if he doesn't and goes to the NFL early, that kind of proves my point).
There is no way I expect Thompson to throw for 3375 yards and 29 TDs next season.
Maybe his red-shirt senior year, but not next year.
Like I said, I expect something similar to the 20 and 10 Brett put up his freshman year. But then again with the change to the run first offense, I think Wick is going to get most of the carries in the red-zone. I don't think Thompson will have 10 rush TDs.

I do think Thompson will have 20 passing TDs next season. And I think 2500 yards passing.

 

[cowboyz]

We all know DC sucked as a coach, but he did get some talent here in Laramie. Not a whole bunch, but some. And most of it came in QBs.
We were all freaked out after ACS left, then Brett Smith showed after 1 season he was WAY better.
I don't know if Thompson will be better, but what I do know is that he is bigger, faster, and has a stronger arm than Brett.
If he is better, it won't be as big of an improvement Brett was over ACS, which I think was a HUGE improvement, and it definitely won't be reflected in the stats with the difference in the 2 offenses.

But Thompson is a QB that is ready to go. He paid attention to what was going on ALL season on the sidelines, and he was pretty impressive in summer and fall ball.

This coming season will be Thompsons first being the starter, and it will be Bohls first at Wyo.
Watch Thompson and Bohl grow together and figure it out, and lead Wyo to some wins.

I still think Brett would have been great in Bohl's system, but I have this feeling that this offense is designed for Thompson.
Drop back passes with a QB with a rocket arm, and roll-outs with a QB that is very fast.

Bohl will play it safe with Thompson and won't have him do too much so Thompson shouldn't throw too many picks, plus Wick is going to be the work-horse of the offense. We are going to run the ball a LOT, and then use that bootleg to get the big play.

When is the spring game? I'm ready!

We all know DC sucked as a coach, but he did get some talent here in Laramie. Not a whole bunch, but some. And most of it came in QBs.
We were all freaked out after ACS left, then Brett Smith showed after 1 season he was WAY better.
I don't know if Thompson will be better, but what I do know is that he is bigger, faster, and has a stronger arm than Brett.
If he is better, it won't be as big of an improvement Brett was over ACS, which I think was a HUGE improvement, and it definitely won't be reflected in the stats with the difference in the 2 offenses.

But Thompson is a QB that is ready to go. He paid attention to what was going on ALL season on the sidelines, and he was pretty impressive in summer and fall ball.

This coming season will be Thompsons first being the starter, and it will be Bohls first at Wyo.
Watch Thompson and Bohl grow together and figure it out, and lead Wyo to some wins.

I still think Brett would have been great in Bohl's system, but I have this feeling that this offense is designed for Thompson.
Drop back passes with a QB with a rocket arm, and roll-outs with a QB that is very fast.

Bohl will play it safe with Thompson and won't have him do too much so Thompson shouldn't throw too many picks, plus Wick is going to be the work-horse of the offense. We are going to run the ball a LOT, and then use that bootleg to get the big play.

When is the spring game? I'm ready!

Yes, we were all bummed when ACS said he was leaving, but Brett came in and all looked well. It could happen again. I don't see it as you do that Brett was WAY better, we just had a better year. Over his career here, Brett had over twice the yards as ACS, but he also threw the ball over twice as much and had over twice the amount of interceptions and a shitload more TDs. It was a measurable improvement of 2% higher completion rate (61.6% to 59.6%) and close to a yard in yards-per-attempt. But way better, I don't see it. Versus FBS opponents ACS had a winning percentage of 42.8% and Brett had a winning percentage of 43.8%. At the end of the day, I feel they both played well here, but didn't do as well due to circumstances. Neither had a year to get their feet wet and they both had a shit coach. Who knows what could have been.

I don't know if Jason will statistically look as good as Brett has with total yards and passing TDs etc. as I think the style we play will be different. Where I feel he will be better than Brett and ACS is winning percentage, and that's the stat most fans care about. I could see Jason having a year similar to ACS had this past year at Vandy, where ACS' pass percentage was much higher than Brett's, as was his yards per attempt, versus mostly SEC opponents. Going forward we won't be slinging the ball as much, but hopefully we'll have more success in the trenches, better and more balanced play calling, and not leave our defense on the field for long periods. Jason might not have the monster numbers, but I'd rather have a QB with a higher % and more yards per attempt and victories, rather than inflated stats and no ability to defeat a quality team. So statistically I could see Brett's body of work here being WAY better than anyone for a long time.

We sat through Joe's 3 yards and a cloud of dust, DC's inconsistent air attack and no-plan defenses, maybe the future will be a combo of both, that will feature the good parts. We don't need a QB with awesome stats, we need a total team with awesome stats.

We can also assume that the new staff is out there looking for a QB that may have more potential than what we have or have coming in. There are still a few 3 star QBs out there and plenty of 2 stars. Not to mention, none of them have signed for any program yet. With Brett leaving that could re-open some QBs that have verbally committed elsewhere. We have a better sales pitch now, new staff, quality OOC opponents, a chance to go after conference titles over the next 4 years, and their main competition would be a QB that has started a total of one game, not the record holder in most offensive categories. if there's another Brett Smith out there that wants to come in and be the man on day one, Wyoming should look like a real good opportunity.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Good point about recruiting a QB Cowboyz. I didn't ever think of that, I just assumed that Thompson is going to be the man.

 

[J-Rod]

Sometimes a new coach will like to usher in a new era with his own stamp on the QB position. California started 5-star QB Jared Goff as a true freshman even though many reporters noted he wasn't the best QB in camp. Don't be shocked if Fort gets the nod. He fits the pro-style offense QB mold better than Thompson does.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Sometimes a new coach will like to usher in a new era with his own stamp on the QB position. California started 5-star QB Jared Goff as a true freshman even though many reporters noted he wasn't the best QB in camp. Don't be shocked if Fort gets the nod. He fits the pro-style offense QB mold better than Thompson does.

Didn't someone say that Fort wasn't even the best QB on Gillettes team?
Not arguing with you about Bohl possibly bringing in his own QB, but I don't think Fort is the guy if he wasn't even the every down QB for Gillette.

 

[J-Rod]

Didn't someone say that Fort wasn't even the best QB on Gillettes team?
Not arguing with you about Bohl possibly bringing in his own QB, but I don't think Fort is the guy if he wasn't even the every down QB for Gillette.

I admit, I don't know much about Fort other than his physical attributes. Would not shock me to see Bohl try and bring in his own guy. I would look for NDSU's recruit list, but FCS schools aren't a part of the major recruiting networks.