A first time head coach who has never run his own show?

[Wyovanian]

Anyone know the last time we hired an HC from the same division we play in?

Dennis Erickson came from Idaho which was Big Sky in 1985. Was that D-1 at the time ? I don't remember.

Nope.

Pat Dye? Came from East Carolina.

I believe you are correct, sir...

 

[bladerunnr]

I think you fail to realize how bad of a coach Dan Hawkins is.

How bad was he when Boise st. had 3 straight 1 loss seasons? That's utterly silly. And don't tell me it was all Peterson. Hawkins was the head guy and was responsible for a lot of their success. He may not have worked out at CU but he left a clean program. Embree came in and made them worse. So last year Auburn was awful. They fire Chisik and now they're in the SEC championship game. Think he came into a good situation?

The biggest mistake we ever made was giving Vic 3 years. They should have fired him after 1 year. Instead, he ran the program into the ground (much like Schroyer did) all because there seems to be this unwritten rule that coach deserves several years to build a program.
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[fromolwyoming]

I think you fail to realize how bad of a coach Dan Hawkins is.

How bad was he when Boise st. had 3 straight 1 loss seasons? That's utterly silly. And don't tell me it was all Peterson. Hawkins was the head guy and was responsible for a lot of their success. He may not have worked out at CU but he left a clean program. Embree came in and made them worse. So last year Auburn was awful. They fire Chisik and now they're in the SEC championship game. Think he came into a good situation?

The biggest mistake we ever made was giving Vic 3 years. They should have fired him after 1 year. Instead, he ran the program into the ground (much like Schroyer did) all because there seems to be this unwritten rule that coach deserves several years to build a program.
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Ever since Hawkins left BSU, his career has been on a freefall. He was recently fired mid season from the CFL. Peterson though, has kept on winning at BSU. So, yes, all of Hawkins' success can and is attributed to Chris Peterson.

But no matter what program you are, you have to give a coach more than 1 or 2 years. That way they can get some of their own players in and start running their own system. If you don't, why give them a chance? Hell, it took Bowden Wyatt, the coach who turned things around for Wyoming in the first place, several years before he started winning. And that's because he had to get his own players in and build the program up.

 

[YankPoke]

Idaho was Division 1AA (FCS) until 1995. Gilmore looks too much like Jon Embree to me and my feeling is that he wouldn't be a diamond in the rough..just a big lump o'coal..but just my 2 cents.

Again, Embree was setting the ground work for CU to be successful. He had to come in and clean house, as well as clean out all of the off field issues. He never got a fair shot at CU, and deserved better than that. He very well could have been a good coach, but we will never know since they didn't give him a chance. Embree looked to be rebuilding CU in the same way of McCartney and that took about 5-6 years.

CU was in bad shape, Still is they got nothing by getting rid of him before he got a fair shake and turning the program around and it's still a complete disaster.

This is the kind of insane logic that ruins programs. Embree was 1-11 in his second season with many of the losses by 40 or more points. Attendance fell to the lowest level in over 30 years. He didn't get a fair shake? Sonny Lubick took a 1-11 csewe team and got them to 5-6 his first year and a conference championship in his second year.

I don't understand this theory that coaches "deserve" 4 or 5 years to turn around a program. It's nonsense. McCartney's early teams had some bad records but they were at least losing close games. But I really doubt you see any successful coaches who start out 3-9 and 1-11.
Look at csewe under Mcelwain. A poor first year but 4 wins. This year, 7 wins. Csewe was coming off of 3 straight 3 win seasons.
If continued crappy records are allowed here to "build the program", then watch us finally fall to d2 status.

I grew up a die hard Colorado fan, and have been following the program probably a lot more than you do. CU was not left clean by Hawkins, it was in terrible shape. They had very little talent to the caliber of the PAC 12, they had terrible academic scores, and a ton of off the field issues. Embree came in and started getting better recruiting classes, and also had their academic scores at the highest point in their history. A ton of coaches building programs struggled for up to 5-6 years, McCartney, Beamer, Snyder, and the list goes on. You can come in and win immediately at a program like Auburn because you don't even have to recruit to get talent to come there. CU had and has limited talent and that is why they are a bad football team. To completely overhaul a program takes several years before you see any results. Embree was never given a fair shot, as soon as he leaves they upgrade some of the worst facilities in the PAC with a 140 million dollar plan. They never gave that chance to Embree, I don't know if he would have been a successful coach, but he was doing all the right things to build a program and he damn sure was not given a real chance to do it.

 

[bladerunnr]

I grew up a die hard Colorado fan, and have been following the program probably a lot more than you do. CU was not left clean by Hawkins, it was in terrible shape. They had very little talent to the caliber of the PAC 12, they had terrible academic scores, and a ton of off the field issues. Embree came in and started getting better recruiting classes, and also had their academic scores at the highest point in their history. A ton of coaches building programs struggled for up to 5-6 years, McCartney, Beamer, Snyder, and the list goes on. You can come in and win immediately at a program like Auburn because you don't even have to recruit to get talent to come there. CU had and has limited talent and that is why they are a bad football team. To completely overhaul a program takes several years before you see any results. Embree was never given a fair shot, as soon as he leaves they upgrade some of the worst facilities in the PAC with a 140 million dollar plan. They never gave that chance to Embree, I don't know if he would have been a successful coach, but he was doing all the right things to build a program and he damn sure was not given a real chance to do it.

I went to grad school at CU. I follow it fairly closely as well. CU had not lost any scholarships and was not under probation. That's what I meant by clean. Yes, I know the talent level was poor. I don't know what off field issues you were referring to. Part of the problem was left over from Barnett. After the alleged rape, the school would not allow recruits to spend the night in Boulder. So a recruit had to fly in and out the same day. It killed recruiting.

McCartney, Beamer, and Snyder all did it 30 years ago. Many of McCartney's players had run ins with the law. It wasn't publicized much back then. They would have crucified him now.

You ignore what I wrote about Lubick and Mcelwain. They turned it around with what was thought to be pretty poor talent. You say Embree was doing all the right things. They gave up 69 points to Fresno state and they were out of most of their games by half time. This was year 2, not year 1. They were clearly going backwards. My point is: coaching is more than recruiting. That's why a Gus Malzahn wins wherever he goes. He can motivate; he has great offensive schemes; and he must have a good staff. Personally, I don't care what their grades are as long as they pass.

Whoever steps in here should win right away. A senior QB and a bunch of returning starters that I believe are better than the results we've seen. My fear is we bring in a position coach like Gilmore and then make excuses for him for 3 or 4 years. Whatever. I guess we have lots of patience around here. Pretty soon, no one will care. And I will be one of them.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Blade, if we hire and fire coaches on a yearly basis if we don't see INSTANT results, no one will want to coach here.

No one with any experience will sign a 1 year contract and constant firing will mean we will be buying out multiple coaching contracts per year.

We'll go bankrupt and be forced to hire Kansas, who will coach for breakfast burritos.

 

[bladerunnr]

Blade, if we hire and fire coaches on a yearly basis if we don't see INSTANT results, no one will want to coach here.

No one with any experience will sign a 1 year contract and constant firing will mean we will be buying out multiple coaching contracts per year.

We'll go bankrupt and be forced to hire Kansas, who will coach for breakfast burritos.

That's true, of course. And buyouts aren't cheap either. Hell, maybe we should hire Kansas. Throw in a running tab at Alibi for the assistants and we can spend the savings on players.

 

[gopokes1399]

So how about Dino getting mad after 12 minutes that he gets 0 replies then he gets replies and he nowhere to be found