500 grand for a QB

[phxpoke]

Most of the athletes today are not about facilities or an education, they want the money. It is the reality of D1 sports today. I just wish we knew what we are paying for. I’m tired of throwing good money away and not knowing where it’s going and who is getting it.

 

[PorkerPoke]

Michigan State just received a $400 million dollar donation. Darn - there goes another set of players that wouldn’t have considered a MWC team anyway.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

If we want to win more games, we need better players. Fire all the coaches you want...if we don't have better players than the other guys, or at least as good, we're going to lose more often than we win. (And, by the way, nobody who can coach worth a damn is going to come here until we assure him we're going to buy the level of players he needs.)

This is not 1978. The old bullshit is gone...and by the old bullshit I mean recruiting 17-year-olds who become indentured servants for 5 years while we give all the money to the adults who have the hallowed job of teaching kids how to run around with an oblong ball on grass and crash into one another. That's over.

If we don't want to do this...that's fine. We'll be able to hang, maybe, only with other teams who won't do it either. We just have to find a league of those teams, and it's sure not the one we're in.

This is pro sports, and if we want to have a team in this pro sport...well, you get the point.

This and you can't be half-assed. You're either in to the most you can be or your out. I'm very opposed to taxpayer money going to nil unless we get creative with investment accounts and the state retains the principle + modest gain. I realize they lose a little in opportunity cost, but in my hypocritical opinion, it's more palatable and one of the main ways we can gain traction because we are the only University in the state.

I agree with Bosler. Pay to play the modern game or just do club sports. Once you cross the line of paying players like free agents, I personally think it's a fool's errand to try to determine how much is acceptable. I don't really like any of it, especially for teams like WYO who rely on taxpayer- and student-funded "revenue" to stay afloat, but it is what it is. I think it is a greater disservice to use the current funding rate from taxpayers and students to continue to fund one of the worst athletic programs in the country that will only get worse if NIL is half-assed.

On the flip side, I think it's pretty important for athletic departments like WYO's to get a much better grasp on the value of the department to the University and sell that.

 

[WYOFLETCH]

So we are going to have to pay a QB 500 thousand from the portal to get him to come to Laramie? What has college sports come to and can we actually find a QB in the portal willing and worth 500 thousand? If we win 4 games again and the QB sucks like the last 2 years he gets 500 thousand, what is our current QB make and do we still have to pay him if he stays and sits the bench?

Our problem is our HC Sawful is in over his head. He probably wasn't the best DC, because C. Bohl was a DC by trade he probably helped Sawful out.

But Wyoming wont get better until they get a new HC, he can't coach the boys up that is the problem and has been the problem since day 1 of his hire.

 

[bladerunnr]

I see it going the other way. Stupid numbers paid for the first few years but economics typically prevails in the long run. These numbers are being supported by some schools with donors willing to pay dollars thinking they can buy a championship (only to realize that they ended up in a nonsensical arms race not tied to any real revenue dollars). Donor fatigue is not far away. Rationality will prevail in the long run.

Maybe. The coaches salaries and buyouts have been out of control for a long time now. If anything, the buyouts are even more frequent and costly than ever. I would have thought this madness would start to subside but if anything, we're seeing even more firings during the season.
NIL is not going away. But at some point, I would guess the transfer portal rules are going to change. This unlimited free agency is going to destroy college football and basketball. Why should a school like Wyoming give a scholarship to a high school kid, develop him, and then lose him the second he proves he's good enough to get paid by some big pockets school? It's unsustainable. The Graham Ike defection ruined our basketball program for at least 2 years. The players have too much power now. I don't know how to change it.

 

[BigO4WYO]

Maybe. The coaches salaries and buyouts have been out of control for a long time now. If anything, the buyouts are even more frequent and costly than ever. I would have thought this madness would start to subside but if anything, we're seeing even more firings during the season.
NIL is not going away. But at some point, I would guess the transfer portal rules are going to change. This unlimited free agency is going to destroy college football and basketball. Why should a school like Wyoming give a scholarship to a high school kid, develop him, and then lose him the second he proves he's good enough to get paid by some big pockets school? It's unsustainable. The Graham Ike defection ruined our basketball program for at least 2 years. The players have too much power now. I don't know how to change it.

I don't agree with the players that play for 5 schools in 5 years, but I don't know if the players have too much power as much as they have equal footing in the business that is college football now.TV networks/money ruined college football, then coaches, and now the players are having a turn. It's completely F'd up but you're either in the game or you're out.

 

[Hotkarl]

Ill believe it when I see it. I think the best way forward is get a bunch of fringe D1 talent and let them sit 3 yrs developing until they play. Just start a cycle from there and supplment with a bunch of juco and senior/grad transfers.

I refuse to believe you need to pay a first time head coach that kind of money that sawvell got either. There has to be 100s of coaches willing to take less than a million yr that were more qualified than sawvel. Hell the guy from Texas Tech was a high school coach not that long ago.

This whole athletic department is in over its head. I would hire someone from a NFl front office and have them take over. Someone who is an aspiring GM. Someone who has a grasp on paying personal.

Its past time for Burman to be in charge

 

[Cowboy20]

Maybe. The coaches salaries and buyouts have been out of control for a long time now. If anything, the buyouts are even more frequent and costly than ever. I would have thought this madness would start to subside but if anything, we're seeing even more firings during the season.
NIL is not going away. But at some point, I would guess the transfer portal rules are going to change. This unlimited free agency is going to destroy college football and basketball. Why should a school like Wyoming give a scholarship to a high school kid, develop him, and then lose him the second he proves he's good enough to get paid by some big pockets school? It's unsustainable. The Graham Ike defection ruined our basketball program for at least 2 years. The players have too much power now. I don't know how to change it.

There are plenty of models out there that already work to fix things (NFL and FCS) First, the portal rules and window needs to change. One window, in the spring, after basketball is over. Eliminate spring ball and push it to May OTA practice like the NFL. The ideal scenario would be for all of division one would go to the table as one to the media markets. Quit allowing the SEC, BIG10, and Notre Dame to run all of the money. Go to the market as one, spread the media money around, and set a salary cap for players. Of course to do that you’d have to let them have a say with collective bargaining, and they’d have to be considered employees. The SEC, BIG10, and Notre Dame will never go for this, so the short term fix is to change portal rules. The NCAA is slowly allowing their hottest commodity to be ruined because of money and no teeth behind their current model. They’re trying to run it like it’s still the 1990’s and wondering why it’s not working. Eventually, either a big split will happen or they just might want to shift to a more of an NFL model. My money is on a split. The big dogs will never want to share revenue across the board with 136 teams. They would rather spread all of the money with about 50-60. That’s when the pacstabbers and other leftovers that don’t get invited to the big party will reform regional conferences for the second tier of D1. It’s a shame when money and greed gets in the way, but it has. Long story short, with Duke winning last night, if the CFP had any balls and wanted to push the first domino, they’d leave out Notre Dame. Forcing them to join a conference frees up their media deal. They won’t, but they should. Then, if the ACC is left out altogether, they’ll be pissed and the Big 12 will be too with only 1 bid. There is no power 4, it’s a power 2, and those 2 want all the cash. Chaos at its best.

 

[Cowboy20]

Holy smokes! They left out Notre Dame! Good.

 

[LanderPoke]

Holy smokes! They left out Notre Dame! Good.

Wait. Miami made it? There were not even conference champions of the ACC.

 

[PorkerPoke]

you’d have to let them have a say with collective bargaining, and they’d have to be considered employees.

How about some options.

The minimum compensation for signing a contract to play is tuition/room/board and it is not taxable. In essence the traditional scholarship. See option #3.

The university will have an athletic healthcare plan that you pay your share just like any other student working their way through school. The cost depends upon your NIL income.

Option #1:

If your NIL exceeds the tuition/room/board then you pay for your health plan. The health plan costs would be on a sliding scale which would mean you are guaranteed to still have more cash than the cost of the healthcare plan.

Option 2:

If your NIL is less than tuition/room/board you will get compensation for your healthcare costs and it is considered income and taxable.

Option 3:

If you don’t receive an NIL offer, you get tuition/room/board along with free healthcare.

Every player can be terminated for cause including failure to adhere to minimum academic standards - in essence a traditional scholarship.

All NIL is taxable the same as the working student who bakes your pizza to pay for their tuition/room/board except they don’t get free healthcare. You can opt out of the athletic healthcare if your mommy/daddy can keep you on their plan and receive a monthly stipend. It’s just if you get injured then you do your own rehab and have to pay the athletic health plan to be cleared to play. No notes from mommy or the doctor who daddy pays to get you back on the field.

Just a crazy random thought, but if you want income above and beyond your scholarship then you become a contracted employee just like anyone else earning an income and you pay for the extras. You may also sign an extended contract beyond a semester and will have financial liability if you breach the contract. The university can place in your contract performance standards. A coaches decision not to play you is the university’s problem. If you don’t do meetings, workouts and so forth it’s cause just as failure to minimum academic standards which can be set higher than the NCAA standards.

My point of emphasis is if you want the big bucks with stipulations that come with being a big boy then pay like an adult.