ItSucksToBeACSURam
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I agree. There is no reason why James is averaging LESS minutes than Lieberman in conference and Lieberman has played one less game than him and still is averaging more minutes. WHAT?LanderPoke said:
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ItSucksToBeACSURam
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So.... I have really been wracking my brain trying to figure out an actual reason why Edwards refuses to play his best players most. I am in no way a statistician but can run a spreadsheet with the best of them. I want to understand why JJ and Dalton don't play the minutes we the fans believe they should. I figured there was something in the stats that were missing. Here is a breakdown of what I found.
Minutes Per Game:
1. JMac 33.6
2. Herndon 30.6
3. Dalton 26.3 (Surprised he was this high)
4. Aka Gorski 25.7
5. James 24.5
Points Per Game:
1. James 15.6 (Duh) (0.64 per minute played)
2. JMac 13.4 (this too surprised me with his recent struggles) (0.40)
3. Dalton 13.2 (would have figured this would have been higher) (0.50)
4. Herndon 10.4 (0.34)
5. Aka Gorski 9.4 (0.37)
Rebounds Per Game:
1. Dalton 8.7 (Monster) (0.33 per minute played)
2. Herndon 6.1 (0.20)
3. James 4.8 (0.20)
4. Naughton 3.7 (0.28)
5. JMac 3.6 (0.11)
Assist Per Game:
1. Dalton 3.2 (0.12 per minute played)
2. Jmac 2.6 (0.08)
3. Aka Gorski 2.2 (0.09)
4. Lieberman 2.1 (0.11)
5. James 1.7 (0.07)
Steals Per Game:
1. James 0.9 (0.04 per minute played)
2. Lieberman 0.8 (0.04)
3. Dalton 0.7 (0.03)
4. JMac 0.6 (0.02)
5. Herndon 0.6 (0.02)
Blocks Per Game:
1. Herndon 2.1 (0.07 per minute played)
2. Dalton 0.9 (0.03)
3. James 0.6 (0.02)
4. Moemeka 0.5 (0.08)
5. Naughton 0.4 (0.03)
Turnovers Per Game:
1. Dalton 2.5 (0.1 Per minute played)
2. James 2.1 (0.09)
3. Adams 1.8 (0.13)
4. Herndon 1.8 (0.06)
5. Lieberman 1.6 0.08)
I compiled stats for every roster player and these were the top 5 in each. I under stand that TOs are not great and that they have a negative effect on the game. I took that into account. I took each of the Per Minute stats per each player and came up with a number that I am calling Positive Plays Per Minute. Kind of like WHIP in baseball, this is telling me, PER MINUTE, what kind of impact each player is making. Ultimately, the higher the number the better. Here it is:
Positive Plays Per Minute Played (PPPMP):
1. Dalton 0.92
2. James 0.88
3. Naughton 0.69
4. Adams 0.65
5. Moemeka 0.63
6. Herndon 0.60
7. Marshall 0.57
8. JMac 0.56
9. Kelley 0.55
10. Aka Gorski 0.52
11. Barnes 0.51
12. Averbuck 0.36
13. Lieberman 0.34
SO what does all of this mean? This has to be taken at face value but it fairly obvious that James and Dalton are TOO important to not be receiving the most minutes. It is also interesting that Moemeka and Naughton are making a lot of noise with their reduced minutes. Poor Lieberman seems to play a lot of empty (or worse yet, negative) minutes.
AGAIN: I am not statistician, I am just a Pokes fan with Excel and ESPN. Take this as you will, but I think its rather interesting that the stats show definitively that the two favorites on this board actually are the our best statistical players and have the biggest impact on the game when they are subbed in. Let the conversations begin.
Minutes Per Game:
1. JMac 33.6
2. Herndon 30.6
3. Dalton 26.3 (Surprised he was this high)
4. Aka Gorski 25.7
5. James 24.5
Points Per Game:
1. James 15.6 (Duh) (0.64 per minute played)
2. JMac 13.4 (this too surprised me with his recent struggles) (0.40)
3. Dalton 13.2 (would have figured this would have been higher) (0.50)
4. Herndon 10.4 (0.34)
5. Aka Gorski 9.4 (0.37)
Rebounds Per Game:
1. Dalton 8.7 (Monster) (0.33 per minute played)
2. Herndon 6.1 (0.20)
3. James 4.8 (0.20)
4. Naughton 3.7 (0.28)
5. JMac 3.6 (0.11)
Assist Per Game:
1. Dalton 3.2 (0.12 per minute played)
2. Jmac 2.6 (0.08)
3. Aka Gorski 2.2 (0.09)
4. Lieberman 2.1 (0.11)
5. James 1.7 (0.07)
Steals Per Game:
1. James 0.9 (0.04 per minute played)
2. Lieberman 0.8 (0.04)
3. Dalton 0.7 (0.03)
4. JMac 0.6 (0.02)
5. Herndon 0.6 (0.02)
Blocks Per Game:
1. Herndon 2.1 (0.07 per minute played)
2. Dalton 0.9 (0.03)
3. James 0.6 (0.02)
4. Moemeka 0.5 (0.08)
5. Naughton 0.4 (0.03)
Turnovers Per Game:
1. Dalton 2.5 (0.1 Per minute played)
2. James 2.1 (0.09)
3. Adams 1.8 (0.13)
4. Herndon 1.8 (0.06)
5. Lieberman 1.6 0.08)
I compiled stats for every roster player and these were the top 5 in each. I under stand that TOs are not great and that they have a negative effect on the game. I took that into account. I took each of the Per Minute stats per each player and came up with a number that I am calling Positive Plays Per Minute. Kind of like WHIP in baseball, this is telling me, PER MINUTE, what kind of impact each player is making. Ultimately, the higher the number the better. Here it is:
Positive Plays Per Minute Played (PPPMP):
1. Dalton 0.92
2. James 0.88
3. Naughton 0.69
4. Adams 0.65
5. Moemeka 0.63
6. Herndon 0.60
7. Marshall 0.57
8. JMac 0.56
9. Kelley 0.55
10. Aka Gorski 0.52
11. Barnes 0.51
12. Averbuck 0.36
13. Lieberman 0.34
SO what does all of this mean? This has to be taken at face value but it fairly obvious that James and Dalton are TOO important to not be receiving the most minutes. It is also interesting that Moemeka and Naughton are making a lot of noise with their reduced minutes. Poor Lieberman seems to play a lot of empty (or worse yet, negative) minutes.
AGAIN: I am not statistician, I am just a Pokes fan with Excel and ESPN. Take this as you will, but I think its rather interesting that the stats show definitively that the two favorites on this board actually are the our best statistical players and have the biggest impact on the game when they are subbed in. Let the conversations begin.
LanderPoke
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I just get angry thinking about it. We could be doing better than we are this season, but we're being held back by something as dumb as not playing our star players. Utter stupidity imo.
Thanks for doing this, ItSucks.
Thanks for doing this, ItSucks.
POKE FAN
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Kelley makes most of 1st career start for Cowboys (WyoSports.net)
“(Kelley) was affecting the game and filling up the stat sheet,” said UW junior forward Hayden Dalton, who led the Cowboys with 19 points against Utah State.
http://www.wyosports.net/university_of_wyoming/kelley-makes-most-of-st-career-start-for-cowboys/article_94f825c4-d953-11e6-9485-274692a2f91e.html
Kelley makes most of 1st career start for Cowboys (WyoSports.net)
“(Kelley) was affecting the game and filling up the stat sheet,” said UW junior forward Hayden Dalton, who led the Cowboys with 19 points against Utah State.
http://www.wyosports.net/university_of_wyoming/kelley-makes-most-of-st-career-start-for-cowboys/article_94f825c4-d953-11e6-9485-274692a2f91e.html
POKE FAN
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Pack hits court for first time since historic comeback (Reno Gazette-Journal)
“We talked about areas we have to clean up defensively,” Wolf Pack coach Eric Musselman said. “We talked about having to rely on offensive rebounds when shots don’t go down. There were a lot of lessons. The biggest lesson is we had so many dead-ball turnovers, poor passing angles that turned into steals. It was uncharacteristic in not valuing the basketball as much as we have in other games.”
“They’re playing with great confidence and when you look at the shooting from (Jason) McManamen, (Justin) James, (Hayden) Dalton, (Alan) Herndon and (Alexander Aka) Gorski, they put five guys out there who can all hit a three,” Musselman said. “In your preparation, there’s a high priority on defending the three-ball but you also can’t give up layups.”
http://www.rgj.com/story/sports/college/nevada/2017/01/13/pack-hits-court-first-time-since-historic-comeback/96543770/
“We talked about areas we have to clean up defensively,” Wolf Pack coach Eric Musselman said. “We talked about having to rely on offensive rebounds when shots don’t go down. There were a lot of lessons. The biggest lesson is we had so many dead-ball turnovers, poor passing angles that turned into steals. It was uncharacteristic in not valuing the basketball as much as we have in other games.”
“They’re playing with great confidence and when you look at the shooting from (Jason) McManamen, (Justin) James, (Hayden) Dalton, (Alan) Herndon and (Alexander Aka) Gorski, they put five guys out there who can all hit a three,” Musselman said. “In your preparation, there’s a high priority on defending the three-ball but you also can’t give up layups.”
http://www.rgj.com/story/sports/college/nevada/2017/01/13/pack-hits-court-first-time-since-historic-comeback/96543770/
POKE FAN
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Prediction
Chris Murray: Nevada 86, Wyoming 81: This is the only time Nevada and Wyoming will play this season and it should be an exciting game as Wyoming has cranked up the tempo under first-year coach Allen Edwards, whose teams ranks in the top 10 in the nation in possessions per game. After slowing down its pace from last season in non-conference, Nevada has been more up-and-down in MW play. This game largely comes down to two things: the 3-point line and free throw line.
http://www.rgj.com/story/sports/college/nevada/2017/01/13/nevada-wyoming-three-keys-and-prediction/96510350/
Prediction
Chris Murray: Nevada 86, Wyoming 81: This is the only time Nevada and Wyoming will play this season and it should be an exciting game as Wyoming has cranked up the tempo under first-year coach Allen Edwards, whose teams ranks in the top 10 in the nation in possessions per game. After slowing down its pace from last season in non-conference, Nevada has been more up-and-down in MW play. This game largely comes down to two things: the 3-point line and free throw line.
http://www.rgj.com/story/sports/college/nevada/2017/01/13/nevada-wyoming-three-keys-and-prediction/96510350/
POKE FAN
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Wyoming men's basketball hopes to defend perfect home record against Nevada (trib.com)
"They’re playing well right now," UW junior Hayden Dalton said. "But they’re coming here and we want to defend our home just like everybody else does in the league. And that’s one of the biggest things. We’re just going to come out and play our game."
"Confidence is a huge thing for us," redshirt freshman guard Cody Kelley said. "We want to play with confidence. We want to play assertive. We don’t want to play passive at all. So ... regardless of the second half, I think everyone has a high level of confidence and is ready to go in and play Nevada.
http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/mbb/wyoming-men-s-basketball-hopes-to-defend-perfect-home-record/article_5b3550e3-8f3f-5971-8558-c6d32d24f0d7.html
"They’re playing well right now," UW junior Hayden Dalton said. "But they’re coming here and we want to defend our home just like everybody else does in the league. And that’s one of the biggest things. We’re just going to come out and play our game."
"Confidence is a huge thing for us," redshirt freshman guard Cody Kelley said. "We want to play with confidence. We want to play assertive. We don’t want to play passive at all. So ... regardless of the second half, I think everyone has a high level of confidence and is ready to go in and play Nevada.
http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/mbb/wyoming-men-s-basketball-hopes-to-defend-perfect-home-record/article_5b3550e3-8f3f-5971-8558-c6d32d24f0d7.html
POKE FAN
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Wyoming hopes Aka Gorski can keep it going against Nevada (WyoSports.net)
“I’m definitely starting to get in a flow,” the soft-spoken Aka Gorski said. “My confidence is high. I’m feeling pretty good.”
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“I’m definitely starting to get in a flow,” the soft-spoken Aka Gorski said. “My confidence is high. I’m feeling pretty good.”
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POKE FAN
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Wyoming vs. Nevada men's hoops Q&A with Chris Murray of the Reno Gazette-Journal (WyoSports.net)
What are you thoughts/key matchups Saturday against Wyoming, and who wins?
The 3-point line will be big. Both teams take a lot of 3s, with Nevada being more accurate (the Wolf Pack also is first in the MW in 3-point defense). The bench play also will be a major factor. Wyoming gets a lot of punch from its reserves; Nevada gets none.
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What are you thoughts/key matchups Saturday against Wyoming, and who wins?
The 3-point line will be big. Both teams take a lot of 3s, with Nevada being more accurate (the Wolf Pack also is first in the MW in 3-point defense). The bench play also will be a major factor. Wyoming gets a lot of punch from its reserves; Nevada gets none.
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POKE FAN
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POKE FAN
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Wyoming struggles defensively against Wolf Pack in 1st home loss (WyoSports.net)
“We lost the game on the defensive end,” junior guard Alexander Aka Gorski said. “That’s what we pride ourselves in. That’s what we try to do and put the most emphasis on, and we didn’t do that.
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“We lost the game on the defensive end,” junior guard Alexander Aka Gorski said. “That’s what we pride ourselves in. That’s what we try to do and put the most emphasis on, and we didn’t do that.
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LanderPoke
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Uh, I think we lost it when we shot 30%POKE FAN said:
POKE FAN
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Unless I'm having problems with my browsers, these YouTube videos still aren't loading on this board:
Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1frwH3MJwZ8
Full Court Press -- Hayden Dalton (WyoSports)
WyoSports senior editor Robert Gagliardi chats with University of Wyoming junior forward Hayden Dalton in latest installment of the Full Court Press.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1frwH3MJwZ8[/youtube]
Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1frwH3MJwZ8
Full Court Press -- Hayden Dalton (WyoSports)
WyoSports senior editor Robert Gagliardi chats with University of Wyoming junior forward Hayden Dalton in latest installment of the Full Court Press.
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POKE FAN
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Wyoming guard Morris Marshall puts on a happy face despite difficult senior season (trib.com)
"He’s a very positive-thinking guy," sophomore forward Jordan Naughton said. "Obviously, there’s a lot that he could be down about and not too happy about, but he’s very optimistic and he’s trying to recover as fast as possible and always sees the bright side of things."
"I’ve kind of just put up a happy wall," said Marshall, who transferred to Wyoming from Santa Fe (Florida) Junior College. "This is an important time. It’s conference time. So I put other people before myself. It’s my issues, but I’m a team guy. So if I need to fake happy to make sure they’re good, I’m good.
http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/mbb/wyoming-guard-morris-marshall-puts-on-a-happy-face-despite/article_44a75e75-4cce-5dd4-b496-53d6438e1acb.html
"He’s a very positive-thinking guy," sophomore forward Jordan Naughton said. "Obviously, there’s a lot that he could be down about and not too happy about, but he’s very optimistic and he’s trying to recover as fast as possible and always sees the bright side of things."
"I’ve kind of just put up a happy wall," said Marshall, who transferred to Wyoming from Santa Fe (Florida) Junior College. "This is an important time. It’s conference time. So I put other people before myself. It’s my issues, but I’m a team guy. So if I need to fake happy to make sure they’re good, I’m good.
http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/mbb/wyoming-guard-morris-marshall-puts-on-a-happy-face-despite/article_44a75e75-4cce-5dd4-b496-53d6438e1acb.html
POKE FAN
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Wyoming men's basketball looks to rebound on the road at San Jose State (trib.com)
The Spartans have been paced thus far by Brandon Clarke, who has already twice been named Mountain West player of the week. He most recently earned the honor after putting up 36 points against Air Force, shooting 16 of 22 from the floor and setting a program record for made field goals in a game.
“I think Clarke is a top-five kid in this league,” Edwards said. “He really has made some jumps from his freshman year and has really taken on the identity of being their guy. And he does it the right way. He doesn’t play outside of what he thinks he can do. He does what he does and he does it really well.”
http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/mbb/wyoming-men-s-basketball-looks-to-rebound-on-the-road/article_e359ebe8-1b71-50db-bd8d-fb8b9301252a.html
The Spartans have been paced thus far by Brandon Clarke, who has already twice been named Mountain West player of the week. He most recently earned the honor after putting up 36 points against Air Force, shooting 16 of 22 from the floor and setting a program record for made field goals in a game.
“I think Clarke is a top-five kid in this league,” Edwards said. “He really has made some jumps from his freshman year and has really taken on the identity of being their guy. And he does it the right way. He doesn’t play outside of what he thinks he can do. He does what he does and he does it really well.”
http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/mbb/wyoming-men-s-basketball-looks-to-rebound-on-the-road/article_e359ebe8-1b71-50db-bd8d-fb8b9301252a.html
POKE FAN
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UW men head west looking to simplify things (WyoSports.net)
“Sometimes, we give (the players) too much information about who we’re playing, and it puts them in overload,” he said. “We got to the point where you want to make sure you cover all your bases, but sometimes that’s not always a good thing.
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“Sometimes, we give (the players) too much information about who we’re playing, and it puts them in overload,” he said. “We got to the point where you want to make sure you cover all your bases, but sometimes that’s not always a good thing.
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POKE FAN
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Cowboys hang on for road win at San Jose State (WyoSports.net)
UW recorded season-lows with three 3-pointers, and shot 16.7 percent from behind the arc.
However, UW outscored San Jose State 48-28 in the paint and 21-9 in second-chance points.
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UW recorded season-lows with three 3-pointers, and shot 16.7 percent from behind the arc.
However, UW outscored San Jose State 48-28 in the paint and 21-9 in second-chance points.
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