20 fouls

[lakeside]

For Wyoming to have a chance in Las Vegas; and I believe they do, Wyoming's group of four post players must play overly aggressive! That group of players has twenty fouls to use in each game and should. Wyoming is at their best when those young men decide to forcible rebound on the defensive end, and go to the rim aggressively on the offensive end. If they (Allan) decide that they will be pushed out of the way, or watch from the top of the key we have only the chance of Adams winning the contest. If the post players get going it opens the floor for other players to have space to contribute.

At this point of the season, Wyoming needs other leaders to be in the ear of these young men besides Josh. I would like to see Jason, and Justin getting on players to step up and get involved. If this can be the case the rest of the season then Wyoming will be in the best position possible to win in my opinion. :twocents:

 

[LanderPoke]

Justin will be a key going forward if allowed to play.

 

[WYCowboy]

Justin will be a key going forward if allowed to play.

If Coach Shy is comfortable with his D ability.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Justin will be a key going forward if allowed to play.

If Coach Shy is comfortable with his D ability.

This comment always baffles me. I can't figure out if it is strictly DEFENSE that keeps guys like JJ sidelined, how the hell does TW3 or Lieberman play....

 

[WYCowboy]

Justin will be a key going forward if allowed to play.

If Coach Shy is comfortable with his D ability.

This comment always baffles me. I can't figure out if it is strictly DEFENSE that keeps guys like JJ sidelined, how the hell does TW3 or Lieberman play....

I don't know - I'm not in Coach Shy's head and he doesn't feel it is necessary to share that information.

 

[joshvanklomp]

This comment always baffles me. I can't figure out if it is strictly DEFENSE that keeps guys like JJ sidelined, how the hell does TW3 or Lieberman play....

Doesn't have any other options at PG. (only seems to use Josh there as a last resort)

 

[DVDA]

This comment always baffles me. I can't figure out if it is strictly DEFENSE that keeps guys like JJ sidelined, how the hell does TW3 or Lieberman play....

Doesn't have any other options at PG. (only seems to use Josh there as a last resort)

This offense doesn't exactly use a point guard or have traditional positions so I don't think that's a very strong argument for TW3 and Lieberman playing.

TW3 is hot and cold, but he's usually solid on both ends of the floor. He is over the hump and is now a solid rotational player at the MWC level. He deserves minutes each game.

I really like Lieberman's future, but he has been a liability on both ends of the floor this year. His defense hasn't been any better than JJ's and he's not any quicker than JJ so you can't argue that he can guard quicker players. He's been a turnover machine on offense and hasn't quite figured out how to create for himself or others. I feel like Lieberman is close to getting over the hump, but he's not there yet. Maybe Shyatt sees the same thing as me which is why he keeps giving him so many opportunities... Even if he does, JJ getting over that hump would/will be much more valuable to the team than Lieberman getting over it.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

This comment always baffles me. I can't figure out if it is strictly DEFENSE that keeps guys like JJ sidelined, how the hell does TW3 or Lieberman play....

Doesn't have any other options at PG. (only seems to use Josh there as a last resort)

This offense doesn't exactly use a point guard or have traditional positions so I don't think that's a very strong argument for TW3 and Lieberman playing.

TW3 is hot and cold, but he's usually solid on both ends of the floor. He is over the hump and is now a solid rotational player at the MWC level. He deserves minutes each game.

I really like Lieberman's future, but he has been a liability on both ends of the floor this year. His defense hasn't been any better than JJ's and he's not any quicker than JJ so you can't argue that he can guard quicker players. He's been a turnover machine on offense and hasn't quite figured out how to create for himself or others. I feel like Lieberman is close to getting over the hump, but he's not there yet. Maybe Shyatt sees the same thing as me which is why he keeps giving him so many opportunities... Even if he does, JJ getting over that hump would/will be much more valuable to the team than Lieberman getting over it.

I agree with you. And my comment was not that TW3 or Lieberman shouldn't play or don't have futures. My point was that if it is strictly defense, these two shouldn't be playing over him. JJ can straight play defense. he shut down that kid from Cal and looked really solid yesterday. He really kept Scott (#1) from going off in the second half.

Personally, I wonder if it is a seniority thing. All things held constant (on the defensive side), Lieberman and TW3 are older and have spent more time in the program than JJ. Even though JJ is clearly the more gifted athlete and basketball player, he is going to have to "earn" his time and a great way to earn it is to sit and be a good teammate on the bench. I don't know if thats it, just my thoughts. I really think JJ looked good yesterday though...

 

[LanderPoke]

Comparing JJ to Lieberman or Washington, especially Lieberman, is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford Escort.
There is not one thing that Lieberman does better than JJ. James deserves to play most of the game and if Shyatt wants to win he'll play JJ and let him play through any little mistakes he'll make and not pull him right away.

 

[seattlecowboy]

Shyatt plays guys strictly based on defense. If you play defense you will play. He doesn't care how much you can score if you can't guard someone or play defense.

I think it was the last Inside Cowboy basketball segment or one of the last two that Jeremy Shyatt alluded to this. Basically saying if you don't play defense or know your defensive assignments the way Papa Shyatt wants it run then it doesn't matter if you can score 30 points per game you won't see the floor.

So this is basically on each individual player to work their ass off and get their assignments down and know what to do on the defensive end. That is the main reason certain players are not seeing the floor or not seeing as much playing time as some of us would like is because certain guys haven't gotten Shyatt's defensive system down well enough yet. So we can all complain as much as we want but nothing will change until certain players start taking the time to get it figured out on that end of the floor. The reason Lieberman and Washington get more time than others is because they run the defense they way Shyatt wants it run better than the other options at this point and nothing will change until the others figure it out better and can play better on that end.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Shyatt plays guys strictly based on defense. If you play defense you will play. He doesn't care how much you can score if you can't guard someone or play defense.

I think it was the last Inside Cowboy basketball segment or one of the last two that Jeremy Shyatt alluded to this. Basically saying if you don't play defense or know your defensive assignments the way Papa Shyatt wants it run then it doesn't matter if you can score 30 points per game you won't see the floor.

So this is basically on each individual player to work their ass off and get their assignments down and know what to do on the defensive end. That is the main reason certain players are not seeing the floor or not seeing as much playing time as some of us would like is because certain guys haven't gotten Shyatt's defensive system down well enough yet. So we can all complain as much as we want but nothing will change until certain players start taking the time to get it figured out on that end of the floor. The reason Lieberman and Washington get more time than others is because they run the defense they way Shyatt wants it run better than the other options at this point and nothing will change until the others figure it out better and can play better on that end.

I think your spot on again Seattle. That inside Wyoming basketball video series on here really pointed that out. It also pointed out that Lieberman has a high intellect. I'm guessing he has a really good sense of where to be defensively. Yeah he might not be able to create as much on O but he can still knock down some looks. I'm not arguing over having James play more or who should. I'm pretty much in Shyatt's corner on how he runs things. He's just proven me a fool too many damn times.

There was a game James kinda got lost out there a little bit and we gave up wide open looks on 3's/driving opportunities. This may have happened more then once, I haven't been able to view as much as I need too about this situation. That must really rankle up Shy in a bad way. It might just be part of his style as well as sticking to his seniority based guys. I think he's done a good job doling out PT to these freshmen just getting them involved. This situation could be wayyyyyy worse either way you view it. Seems like he's riding the middle road with it, veering off in one direction more then the other when he deems fit.

 

[stymeman]

Marshall Morris should see PT but hasn't still shaking my head on that one

 

[wyo 1]

Marshall Morris should see PT but hasn't still shaking my head on that one

Really? Did you see when he went in for Adams a few games ago and had no idea what he was doing? He was in for about a minute and that was too long.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Marshall Morris should see PT but hasn't still shaking my head on that one

Really? Did you see when he went in for Adams a few games ago and had no idea what he was doing? He was in for about a minute and that was too long.

SO one minute of confusion trumps all the other times he's been on the floor and looked pretty legit? C'mon. He was probably as caught off guard by that whole situation as we are. Lieberman looks lost most of the game and he still plays...

 

[wyo 1]

Marshall Morris should see PT but hasn't still shaking my head on that one

Really? Did you see when he went in for Adams a few games ago and had no idea what he was doing? He was in for about a minute and that was too long.

SO one minute of confusion trumps all the other times he's been on the floor and looked pretty legit? C'mon. He was probably as caught off guard by that whole situation as we are. Lieberman looks lost most of the game and he still plays...

What " all the other times" are you talking about? All I'm saying is there is reason he isn't playing. I'm might be crazy, but I think Shyatt has seen what he needs to see for a guy to see court time and give us the best opportunity to win.

 

[LanderPoke]

I still don't understand why some say Lieberman plays better d than JJ. I don't think JJ is a bad defender at all. He contests shot very well and plays good help d. He hasn't looked lost to me much if at all. Lieberman's lack of being able to rebound hurts us bad. I'd rather see Marshall out there over Lieberman/Washington, but the DEAD HORSE has been beaten to death. Shyatt has some seniority bias/preference going on. It's his team, though, but I think we could have won a couple more conference games if he would have played the right people the right amount of minutes.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Back to the original post of this thread.
I just watched the CSU game replay last night since I've finally got a little breather out here. It was AWESOME! Yes I do like the idea of our team playing more aggressive. Barnes was finally doin something. Enforce the paint, disrupt, frustrate, and throw off the other team. It got him in the game and he even had a nice finish to the bucket at one point. CSU couldn't hit their ass with 2 hands from the line either. The fouls were HUGE. They saved so many easy buckets and just got CSU off their game. Naughton and Barnes def shouldn't be hesitant to get nasty. If they can bring the other big down with foul trouble with them that's a win for us.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Marshall Morris should see PT but hasn't still shaking my head on that one

Really? Did you see when he went in for Adams a few games ago and had no idea what he was doing? He was in for about a minute and that was too long.

SO one minute of confusion trumps all the other times he's been on the floor and looked pretty legit? C'mon. He was probably as caught off guard by that whole situation as we are. Lieberman looks lost most of the game and he still plays...

What " all the other times" are you talking about? All I'm saying is there is reason he isn't playing. I'm might be crazy, but I think Shyatt has seen what he needs to see for a guy to see court time and give us the best opportunity to win.

The 3 or 4 other games he's played in.....

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

I still don't understand why some say Lieberman plays better d than JJ. I don't think JJ is a bad defender at all. He contests shot very well and plays good help d. He hasn't looked lost to me much if at all. Lieberman's lack of being able to rebound hurts us bad. I'd rather see Marshall out there over Lieberman/Washington, but the DEAD HORSE has been beaten to death. Shyatt has some seniority bias/preference going on. It's his team, though, but I think we could have won a couple more conference games if he would have played the right people the right amount of minutes.

I don't know if I could say Liebs plays better D but he never seems to get lost. His athletic ability might get him lost at times if you know what I mean. James def got the big minutes against CSU. He was pretty damn electric too! I'm just guessing the minutes per guy, per game thing is also gonna shift depending on what Shy thinks we need more on a situational basis.

 

[lakeside]

Back to the original post of this thread.
I just watched the CSU game replay last night since I've finally got a little breather out here. It was AWESOME! Yes I do like the idea of our team playing more aggressive. Barnes was finally doin something. Enforce the paint, disrupt, frustrate, and throw off the other team. It got him in the game and he even had a nice finish to the bucket at one point. CSU couldn't hit their ass with 2 hands from the line either. The fouls were HUGE. They saved so many easy buckets and just got CSU off their game. Naughton and Barnes def shouldn't be hesitant to get nasty. If they can bring the other big down with foul trouble with them that's a win for us.

I couldn't agree more!