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Actually, you got it completely backwards. When looking for a house, the most important factor is location. You give me a choice of a 10,000 square foot mansion in North Dakota or a 1500 sq. foot cabin in Vail, I'm moving to Vail. And that's the problem for UW. Laramie is not an attractive town to live in for most kids. Plus, Wyoming hasn't legalized weed. So that's another big problem if you want kids to come to your campus.
I’m taking the North Dakota property all day every day. No desire to live in Vail. But that’s fine, Laramie might not be everyone’s cup of tea. Laramie isn’t going to magically become something that it’s not and it should embrace its identity.
 

You guys should probably critique that. I probably don't care enough to spend time fact checking it, lol.
 
Actually, you got it completely backwards. When looking for a house, the most important factor is location. You give me a choice of a 10,000 square foot mansion in North Dakota or a 1500 sq. foot cabin in Vail, I'm moving to Vail. And that's the problem for UW. Laramie is not an attractive town to live in for most kids. Plus, Wyoming hasn't legalized weed. So that's another big problem if you want kids to come to your campus.
Because a college kid would never smoke pot if it was illegal? The world needs more potheads like we need another pandemic. Thank god my kid is looking at the institution, recreational ops. (mtn biking, hunting, fishing, climbing, skiing/snowboarding, etc.), D-1 sports, and quality of life vs. the availability of recreational drugs. To each is own though, no judgment by me.
 

You guys should probably critique that. I probably don't care enough to spend time fact checking it, lol.
Glanced at it, I would bet any amount of money that it was written by someone who did not graduate from UW.
 
Every time that I have been in the market for a new 'livable house,' I started by looking at the size, structure and maintenance of the house. Next I looked at the location, lot size, amenities, covenants/restrictions, etc.. I can't recall ever giving a shit whether the closest sports team was any good or not.

I absolutely support building the 'livable' campus with funds for amenities that appeal to all students. The new dorms are a great example and a long needed improvement. A million bucks of taxpayer or student funds for the pocket of a transfer QB, no thanks.
Then you and I are in violent agreement. I would much rather invest in making UW attractive as an institution - one that is growing and not shrinking, one that is filled with the brightest and best, one that innovates and takes risks, one that contributes to the growth of the state's economy and active retention of our kids (at least giving them the option to stay if they want), one where politicians don't meddle and is so involved in the fabric of the state that no legislator or governor would dare diminish or hamstring it. When you have that sort of juggernaut, the money for athletics and other stuff will come.

In terms of NIL, we simply cannot compete. I think we should actively retool our programs, facilities, and mindsets to accept the reality that the big guys are leaving (or have left) us behind (either actually or practically) and that we are destined for a modified version of the current FCS with other G6 teams joining us eventually.
 
Then you and I are in violent agreement. I would much rather invest in making UW attractive as an institution - one that is growing and not shrinking, one that is filled with the brightest and best, one that innovates and takes risks, one that contributes to the growth of the state's economy and active retention of our kids (at least giving them the option to stay if they want), one where politicians don't meddle and is so involved in the fabric of the state that no legislator or governor would dare diminish or hamstring it. When you have that sort of juggernaut, the money for athletics and other stuff will come.

In terms of NIL, we simply cannot compete. I think we should actively retool our programs, facilities, and mindsets to accept the reality that the big guys are leaving (or have left) us behind (either actually or practically) and that we are destined for a modified version of the current FCS with other G6 teams joining us eventually.
Well stated.
 

You guys should probably critique that. I probably don't care enough to spend time fact checking it, lol.
Glanced at it, I would bet any amount of money that it was written by someone who did not graduate from UW.
The Claremont institute is a conservative think tank. Nothing in this is surprising, coming from that point of view.
 
The Claremont institute is a conservative think tank. Nothing in this is surprising, coming from that point of view.
Conservatism currently and will likely always hold the purse strings at UW. This pub is likely guiding or at least being considered in Cheyenne.

Note: not taking a side on anything just stating that this pub likely has some relevance to UW.
 
State and local governments are funded through taxes imposed either directly on individuals or indirectly on businesses that pass the costs to the individual.

Nothing is free for everyone because someone has to pay and the more freebies the more various individuals pay.
I am very willing to pay taxes for this. I was even before I adopted my son and was childless.
 
I am very willing to pay taxes for this. I was even before I adopted my son and was childless.
Here's the deal, nothing is free and, in this vein, there is a base cost of operating government, which is only increasing (costs of roads, infrastructure, services, health care, education). As oil and gas, coal and other traditional revenues that support the general fund decline, we face growing budget deficits over the next 10 years (not immediate, but in time). Add cuts and the likely need to backfill local governments (to just fund the standard stuff), we are facing either a sales tax (on the order of over 20%, based on what the analysis of a similar effort in NE demonstrated) or an income tax - but likely both. A sales tax above 8% will devastate a Wyoming main street that is already tenuously hanging on - especially along the borders of the state. We cannot cover the bill with investment income only and cutting budgets may yield some gain against the deficit but is not a magic bullet to save us.

Word is that UW will see upwards of $40-$50 million cut from its block grant coming out of JAC. To me, this is a blaring siren that UW had better consolidate its work to find excellence where we might be able to attract private investment in the institution - which will require significant attention to the broken tech transfer system SOON. They are making strides in TT, but there is much work to do.
 
Here's the deal, nothing is free and, in this vein, there is a base cost of operating government, which is only increasing (costs of roads, infrastructure, services, health care, education). As oil and gas, coal and other traditional revenues that support the general fund decline, we face growing budget deficits over the next 10 years (not immediate, but in time). Add cuts and the likely need to backfill local governments (to just fund the standard stuff), we are facing either a sales tax (on the order of over 20%, based on what the analysis of a similar effort in NE demonstrated) or an income tax - but likely both. A sales tax above 8% will devastate a Wyoming main street that is already tenuously hanging on - especially along the borders of the state. We cannot cover the bill with investment income only and cutting budgets may yield some gain against the deficit but is not a magic bullet to save us.

Word is that UW will see upwards of $40-$50 million cut from its block grant coming out of JAC. To me, this is a blaring siren that UW had better consolidate its work to find excellence where we might be able to attract private investment in the institution - which will require significant attention to the broken tech transfer system SOON. They are making strides in TT, but there is much work to do.
Yes, but the people in charge in Wyoming's legislature have no idea how to manage a government. They just want to cut taxes.
 
After being back in Wyoming for eleven years, I've observed a few things that are simultaneously discouraging, frustrating, and sad.

Our demographics have hollowed out strategic thought and investment in the State's future. We are governed by officials and legislators heavy on the 45+ cohort, one that doesn't differentiate much between money spent and money invested. Within that segment is a somewhat tragic change-aversion. While they rarely say the quiet part out loud ("We hate change") they defund investment for change by reducing revenue, much to the benefit of the empty-nest property owners that are widely represented in the legislature.

Speaking to fellow Wyoming citizens, I've also discerned a very palpable price sensitivity to things that out-of-town visitors rarely exhibit, and if they do, it's usually surprise at how INEXPENSIVE some things are here. At the same time, many of these locals won't bat an eye at dropping $70k+ on a new truck (as an aside, I've also observed a rough ratio of the truck's size and ride height being greater than their owners' stature) or tens of thousands on off-road toys. Raise the price of beer however and they act as if you just violated their spouse. It should be noted that Wyoming wholesale beer prices, the price liquor stores, bars, and restaurants pay to distributors, are exceeded only by Hawaii.

A recent Trib article about the majority of people surveyed in Casper (about 75%) were hungry for economic growth, roughly the same percentage opposed any public money investment to that end, including better funding for education. Basically, decades of near-obscene mineral extraction revenues (which were arguably in-adequately low) that once made Wyoming teachers among the highest paid in the U.S. have resulted in a culture of handout expectations and an aversion to self-actualization through civic participation and investment. A majority of Wyoming people seem to labor under the expectation someone else will pick up the tab for growth, and, despite 65% of their kids leaving the State never to return, cling to this fantasy while rejecting the economic reality all around them.

Wyoming seems to be entering a phase of Appalachian-ism. A fear and resistance to change (which cannot be stopped, it always IS) that results ultimately in alienation and isolation from our neighboring states followed by regression in growth, which is the change that results from the impossibility of aspiring to status quo.

There is a huge difference between being penny wise and pound foolish, between financial acumen and cheapness, and Wyoming seems to fall into the latter. The greatest symptom of this unambitious behavior is stasis or regression of populace. No one is arguing for unrestrained or unmanaged economic growth, just a more rational, practical, enlightened approach to the economic health of the state. Buying a new mattress to stuff money into is hardly sound economic policy or financial practice, but it seems to be the prevailing approach by many, if not most of Wyoming citizens.
 
After being back in Wyoming for eleven years, I've observed a few things that are simultaneously discouraging, frustrating, and sad.

Our demographics have hollowed out strategic thought and investment in the State's future. We are governed by officials and legislators heavy on the 45+ cohort, one that doesn't differentiate much between money spent and money invested. Within that segment is a somewhat tragic change-aversion. While they rarely say the quiet part out loud ("We hate change") they defund investment for change by reducing revenue, much to the benefit of the empty-nest property owners that are widely represented in the legislature.

Speaking to fellow Wyoming citizens, I've also discerned a very palpable price sensitivity to things that out-of-town visitors rarely exhibit, and if they do, it's usually surprise at how INEXPENSIVE some things are here. At the same time, many of these locals won't bat an eye at dropping $70k+ on a new truck (as an aside, I've also observed a rough ratio of the truck's size and ride height being greater than their owners' stature) or tens of thousands on off-road toys. Raise the price of beer however and they act as if you just violated their spouse. It should be noted that Wyoming wholesale beer prices, the price liquor stores, bars, and restaurants pay to distributors, are exceeded only by Hawaii.

A recent Trib article about the majority of people surveyed in Casper (about 75%) were hungry for economic growth, roughly the same percentage opposed any public money investment to that end, including better funding for education. Basically, decades of near-obscene mineral extraction revenues (which were arguably in-adequately low) that once made Wyoming teachers among the highest paid in the U.S. have resulted in a culture of handout expectations and an aversion to self-actualization through civic participation and investment. A majority of Wyoming people seem to labor under the expectation someone else will pick up the tab for growth, and, despite 65% of their kids leaving the State never to return, cling to this fantasy while rejecting the economic reality all around them.

Wyoming seems to be entering a phase of Appalachian-ism. A fear and resistance to change (which cannot be stopped, it always IS) that results ultimately in alienation and isolation from our neighboring states followed by regression in growth, which is the change that results from the impossibility of aspiring to status quo.

There is a huge difference between being penny wise and pound foolish, between financial acumen and cheapness, and Wyoming seems to fall into the latter. The greatest symptom of this unambitious behavior is stasis or regression of populace. No one is arguing for unrestrained or unmanaged economic growth, just a more rational, practical, enlightened approach to the economic health of the state. Buying a new mattress to stuff money into is hardly sound economic policy or financial practice, but it seems to be the prevailing approach by many, if not most of Wyoming citizens.
I think most of Wyoming would agree with you on these statements. It is the question of what does a "more rational, practical, enlightened approach" look like? I hear all of the time that we need to diversify our economy. I have yet to see a proposal from a politician on how! The only plan that is out there is from the freedom caucus, cut taxes. We know how that is going to go. The only thing that has been publicized that was labeled as diversifying our economy that I have seen is the bit coin stuff coming from UW and nuclear waste facilities. If there is an actual plan from the state then they need a PR guy to get the information out there because I haven't seen much lately other than those 2 things.
 
I think most of Wyoming would agree with you on these statements. It is the question of what does a "more rational, practical, enlightened approach" look like? I hear all of the time that we need to diversify our economy. I have yet to see a proposal from a politician on how! The only plan that is out there is from the freedom caucus, cut taxes. We know how that is going to go. The only thing that has been publicized that was labeled as diversifying our economy that I have seen is the bit coin stuff coming from UW and nuclear waste facilities. If there is an actual plan from the state then they need a PR guy to get the information out there because I haven't seen much lately other than those 2 things.
The Natrium nuclear plant outside of Kemmerer is proceeding apace, as is the construction of multiple data centers from Evanston to Cheyenne. This all represents diversification from extraction/ severance economics. It all represents a start, but both of these industries/ projects have encountered resistance and hostility that, while raising prudent and reasonable concerns, also come across as NIMBYist and somewhat unhinged.

There is no single silver bullet that is going to kill economic stagnation, it will be mostly incremental in pace with certain regional leaps. As population centers near border towns become increasingly unaffordable or less "livable", we'll see more and more people from those metro and suburban areas start to look at Wyoming, but it's not just low taxes and affordability that make a place attract and land people and industries. If that were the case, Wyoming would be booming like Utah. There are things missing, and not just milder weather. The lack of professional skilled services in this state is a huge hindrance. The scarcity of distribution also plays a factor. For example, every Coca-Cola product purchased in Wyoming results in outflow to out-of-state distributors.

The opportunities for diversification are there, but so many companies have come in and kicked the proverbial tires only to go elsewhere due to a lack of investment in education and a sense of apathy toward "outsiders" from locals. Until attitudes begin to shift as people realize the need to embrace and help steer change, things will continue to devolve into this Appalachian-ism. Sadly, the most likely outcome will be reversal of fortune after a series of bottoming-out events that may or may not shock people into a more rational view of the way they think about this State
 
Responding to posts a page or so back...

Here is an online comparison of return on investment for college degrees based on the university you attended:

https://freopp.org/oppblog/we-calcu...ment-for-30-000-bachelors-degrees-find-yours/

Note that this is an average and other sites might offer different values. Pick a major and compare to peers. See what it says.

I also note that yes, many students leave Wyoming for college or go to UW, for example, and then leave the state. Many students pick majors specifically that allow them to do this. It would be great to keep them in state, but jobs, or even better, jobs they are interested in, do call them away. Yes, we want UW to focus on majors that provide jobs in Wyoming, but remember that many parents pay taxes in Wyoming for many years and we also owe them and their students an ability to get a college degree at a reasonable price even if they plan to leave the state. If we play the long game, they will get wealthy, retire early, move back to Wyoming and spend their retirement money in Wyoming.

In Wyoming, we (ok, the politicians at least) are always saying we need job growth. But we need to be careful of that. If we had job growth and those new jobs and new people resulted in tax growth (i.e., perhaps a personal income tax), then we do want more people. But if all of the employment growth is in the area of non-extractive industries, then the tax money doesn't come back. If people with new jobs don't pay some more in taxes, then in some ways they become an additional drain on the state. In most other states (with a few exceptions), the population growth results in income tax growth,
 
Responding to posts a page or so back...

Here is an online comparison of return on investment for college degrees based on the university you attended:

https://freopp.org/oppblog/we-calcu...ment-for-30-000-bachelors-degrees-find-yours/

Note that this is an average and other sites might offer different values. Pick a major and compare to peers. See what it says.

I also note that yes, many students leave Wyoming for college or go to UW, for example, and then leave the state. Many students pick majors specifically that allow them to do this. It would be great to keep them in state, but jobs, or even better, jobs they are interested in, do call them away. Yes, we want UW to focus on majors that provide jobs in Wyoming, but remember that many parents pay taxes in Wyoming for many years and we also owe them and their students an ability to get a college degree at a reasonable price even if they plan to leave the state. If we play the long game, they will get wealthy, retire early, move back to Wyoming and spend their retirement money in Wyoming.

In Wyoming, we (ok, the politicians at least) are always saying we need job growth. But we need to be careful of that. If we had job growth and those new jobs and new people resulted in tax growth (i.e., perhaps a personal income tax), then we do want more people. But if all of the employment growth is in the area of non-extractive industries, then the tax money doesn't come back. If people with new jobs don't pay some more in taxes, then in some ways they become an additional drain on the state. In most other states (with a few exceptions), the population growth results in income tax growth,
This is exactly the problem we have. The idea that they will return and spend their retirement back in Wyoming flies in the face of finance 101. We need short and medium-term return to off-set long term investment. What you're describing is the wishful thinking since 1988. It no longer works. This State has to either get serious about somewhat forceful investment, or resign itself to being the West Virginia of the Intermountain West. It's a cultural and addictudinal issue that will either die out as things bottom out, or the folks of Wyo who fancy themselves as rugged individuals capable of anything will figure out the need for investment and a new trajectory.
 
This is exactly the problem we have. The idea that they will return and spend their retirement back in Wyoming flies in the face of finance 101. We need short and medium-term return to off-set long term investment. What you're describing is the wishful thinking since 1988. It no longer works. This State has to either get serious about somewhat forceful investment, or resign itself to being the West Virginia of the Intermountain West. It's a cultural and addictudinal issue that will either die out as things bottom out, or the folks of Wyo who fancy themselves as rugged individuals capable of anything will figure out the need for investment and a new trajectory.
Notice, I said "if" we play the long game... Sorry, I should have put the sarcasm emoji at the end of the sentence. I agree that it isn't a long term strategy, but the way the state is currently set up, this is what we are hoping for.

For short and medium term, personal income tax is one way that returns money to the state in a way that is related to population growth. There is a reason why this tax is used across the country in almost all states.

Yes, the nuclear plants are cool, but how does this bring revenue to the state?
 

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