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P12 - MWC

Wyokie said:
I counter you statement with this..."When has ANYTHING in the past 20 + years made ANY sense whatsoever...so far?"

I just honestly believe we'll be playing the Benedict 5 as conference mates again in a few years one way or another. Didn't say how.
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I agree Wyokie, the move to add another G5 conference, will never net more $$ than what they will be paying out in fees and the settlement. Especially and particularly when it collapses in < 7 years.

And to think, these are business leaders making these decisions!! On second thought, maybe they aren't business leaders, but just your typical wasteful government employees, that are fine spending other peoples money.
 
Wyokie said:
I counter you statement with this..."When has ANYTHING in the past 20 + years made ANY sense whatsoever...so far?"

I just honestly believe we'll be playing the Benedict 5 as conference mates again in a few years one way or another. Didn't say how.
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You could be right. Who knows where this goes. I think the only relative clarity is at the top. They'll be able to afford to adjust to the new costs.

The biggest question marks is all of G6 and the bottom of the P4. Reality is that there are teams at the P4 level who may not be able to sustain that financially. They will be losing money plus getting their teeth kicked in because they can't afford to keep up with the big dogs.

Will 2 more levels develop in the G6/bottom of P4 or will they all merge into a single group? It's going to be interesting and certainly unpredictable at this point.
 
McPeachy said:
Luke sure seems excited about the $7m per team - what a dolt.
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It's appears to be nearly double what the MWC schools stand to receive. The sad thing is that the MWC would have received roughly that $7 million amount had it stayed together and there would have been no need for the Benedict 5 to pay the exit fees. It ends up being a net loss for everyone for really only the benefit of Washington State and Oregon State and Texas State (or whatever 8th football member they find).
 
OrediggerPoke said:
It's appears to be nearly double what the MWC schools stand to receive. The sad thing is that the MWC would have received roughly that $7 million amount had it stayed together and there would have been no need for the Benedict 5 to pay the exit fees. It ends up being a net loss for everyone for really only the benefit of Washington State and Oregon State and Texas State (or whatever 8th football member they find).
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Exactly my point. They just spent more in exit fees than they will increase in media dollars (over the current MWC deal). A very poor business decision, but I guess they think that highly of themselves to do it anyway.
 
McPeachy said:
Exactly my point. They just spent more in exit fees than they will increase in media dollars (over the current MWC deal). A very poor business decision, but I guess they think that highly of themselves to do it anyway.
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Exactly.

As long as the MWC doesn’t give the pee12 a windfall of spending money, the media deal may sound really great but there are a lot of other expenses to absorb starting a new conference.

Someone (Paul Finebaum) who is basically a voice of the SEC stated it this way. “Paul Finebaum has criticized the recent additions to the Pac-12, referring to the conference as a "collection of rejects and misfits." He believes that the Pac-12's attempts to regain relevance are not impressive and doubts any significant changes will occur within the major college football conferences soon.

Simple pee12 traitor math:

$7 million x 6 years = $42 million (media)
$3 million x 6 years = $18 million (exit fees)
Net after 6 years is $24 million or $4 million per year.

Simple MWC math for Wyoming:

$4 million x 6 years = $24 million (media)
Add $14-18 million in exit/poaching fee collection is $38-42 million or up to $7 million per year equivalent.

They are thinking the pee12 logo is valuable on name only and they think it means they are going to be automatically added as a direct participant in the CFP. Finebaum addressed that ideology very tactfully.
 
PorkerPoke said:
Exactly.

As long as the MWC doesn’t give the pee12 a windfall of spending money, the media deal may sound really great but there are a lot of other expenses to absorb starting a new conference.

Someone (Paul Finebaum) who is basically a voice of the SEC stated it this way. “Paul Finebaum has criticized the recent additions to the Pac-12, referring to the conference as a "collection of rejects and misfits." He believes that the Pac-12's attempts to regain relevance are not impressive and doubts any significant changes will occur within the major college football conferences soon.

Simple pee12 traitor math:

$7 million x 6 years = $42 million (media)
$3 million x 6 years = $18 million (exit fees)
Net after 6 years is $24 million or $4 million per year.

Simple MWC math for Wyoming:

$4 million x 6 years = $24 million (media)
Add $14-18 million in exit/poaching fee collection is $38-42 million or up to $7 million per year equivalent.

They are thinking the pee12 logo is valuable on name only and they think it means they are going to be automatically added as a direct participant in the CFP. Finebaum addressed that ideology very tactfully.
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I love your math!
 
PorkerPoke said:
Exactly.

As long as the MWC doesn’t give the pee12 a windfall of spending money, the media deal may sound really great but there are a lot of other expenses to absorb starting a new conference.

Someone (Paul Finebaum) who is basically a voice of the SEC stated it this way. “Paul Finebaum has criticized the recent additions to the Pac-12, referring to the conference as a "collection of rejects and misfits." He believes that the Pac-12's attempts to regain relevance are not impressive and doubts any significant changes will occur within the major college football conferences soon.

Simple pee12 traitor math:

$7 million x 6 years = $42 million (media)
$3 million x 6 years = $18 million (exit fees)
Net after 6 years is $24 million or $4 million per year.

Simple MWC math for Wyoming:

$4 million x 6 years = $24 million (media)
Add $14-18 million in exit/poaching fee collection is $38-42 million or up to $7 million per year equivalent.

They are thinking the pee12 logo is valuable on name only and they think it means they are going to be automatically added as a direct participant in the CFP. Finebaum addressed that ideology very tactfully.
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That's great for the next 6 years, but then what? The MWC conference has an OK short-term outlook, but the long-term outlook for teams in the MWC is tedious at best.

The PAC played the long game and it looks like they will come out ahead in the long term. Not to mention they will be in a better position to negotiate when the next round of conference realignment takes place. Six years might sound like a long time, but it will be here before we know it.

The MWC is slowly being diluted. First we lost Utah, BYU, and TCU. Even with adding Bose State and Fresno State, we were still a weaker conference overall. I hated Utah and BYU anyways, and TCU was always kind of the weird member that didn’t really fit in, so I convinced myself the changes were for the better. But now we are losing Boise State, SDSU, Fresno State, CSU, and USU and replacing them with Northern Illinois and UTEP? I just can’t find a way to put a positive spin on this.
 
TheRealUW said:
That's great for the next 6 years, but then what? The MWC conference has an OK short-term outlook, but the long-term outlook for teams in the MWC is tedious at best.

The PAC played the long game and it looks like they will come out ahead in the long term. Not to mention they will be in a better position to negotiate when the next round of conference realignment takes place. Six years might sound like a long time, but it will be here before we know it.

The MWC is slowly being diluted. First we lost Utah, BYU, and TCU. Even with adding Bose State and Fresno State, we were still a weaker conference overall. I hated Utah and BYU anyways, and TCU was always kind of the weird member that didn’t really fit in, so I convinced myself the changes were for the better. But now we are losing Boise State, SDSU, Fresno State, CSU, and USU and replacing them with Northern Illinois and UTEP? I just can’t find a way to put a positive spin on this.
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It pencils out today for sure.....but the longer you play this out...it's bleak. These Universities have been around for a long time and will be around for a long time. Whatever is happening right now will set things up for 10, 15, 20 years from now. You can't make the entire step to wildly fail or succeed in any 1 to 5 year period but you can make your situation better each year. Look at BSU for what comes from incremental success for 10+ years. We need to find that pathway.
 
307bball said:
It pencils out today for sure.....but the longer you play this out...it's bleak. These Universities have been around for a long time and will be around for a long time. Whatever is happening right now will set things up for 10, 15, 20 years from now. You can't make the entire step to wildly fail or succeed in any 1 to 5 year period but you can make your situation better each year. Look at BSU for what comes from incremental success for 10+ years. We need to find that pathway.
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The bsu path is dead. This is over. Hard to grasp but it is what it is. The next phase is unknown but abundantly clear. The top level (Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, TX, TAMU, etc.) and everything below. How things shake out below that top level is uncertain and anyone's guess.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
The bsu path is dead. This is over. Hard to grasp but it is what it is. The next phase is unknown but abundantly clear. The top level (Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, TX, TAMU, etc.) and everything below. How things shake out below that top level is uncertain and anyone's guess.
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Continual improvement over a long period of time is what is needed. That is possible. The specifics of what Boise State has built didn't happen in three to five years.
 
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