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Itsux2beaewe
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California? This isn’t going to work out well for the MW and whatever members are left. I could see UNLV and AFA going now.
ragtimejoe1
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They don't have the money and have to find a way out.
OrediggerPoke
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They have the money. They just would rather litigate over a few years so the MWC won’t have the money to timely pay UNLV and AFA the bonuses. It’s disgusting abuse of court process to gain leverage in negotiation.
ragtimejoe1
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OrediggerPoke
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Countersuits are coming. But the old saying ‘possession is 9/10 of the law.’ How does the MWC make large lump sum payments to AFA and UNLV while the penalties are being escrowed in the court pending resolution of the case. It’s a powerful (and disgusting) bargaining middle finger from the PAC telling AFA that they aren’t seeing that money anytime soon.
ragtimejoe1
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I have no idea if this has any merit whatsoever, but I wonder if you can change the dynamics a little by filing countersuits and naming wsu and osu specifically. Also, file collusion suits agianst the ad's themselves from the departing schools as well as wsu and osu. They may not win, but you can always play the sue to cost them game.
Itsux2beaewe
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The attorneys who navigated the suit for the PAC will be the same who litigate against the MW. They’ve navigated these waters before. This just doesn’t feel right.
I guess we will find out how the court interprets it, but my understanding is that the antitrust laws are primarily intended to protect consumers by ensuring unrestricted competition in the market place.
It seems like a lot of mental gymnastics would be needed to explain how a poaching fee amongst college football conferences equates to doing harm to consumers.
ragtimejoe1
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I'm with you on this and almost wonder if this wheel was set in motion before the contract was even signed. In other words, this has been planned all along. It makes you wonder how much of this has been planned. Maybe a lot and for a while behind closed doors.
OrediggerPoke
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Sherman Act has 2 parts. I’m assuming they are arguing under Section 1 that MWC schools prevented them from scheduling enough games where they were forced to take the deal (this will fall flat).
Section 1 - collusion that poses restraint on trade
Section 2 - monopoly and harm to consumers
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PokeNer
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100%. The PAC know what they were doing all along. They have no intention of paying the collusion fees or exit fees. You really think they were just willing to give up $200 million dollars of that war chest they fought for? This was set in motion right after the scheduling agreement was inked.
Total hypocrisy, but I guess this is the new collegiate athletics landscape. Such a joke.
sandiegopoke
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What a giant sh!tshow.
Itsux2beaewe
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So it still kind of all goes back to this.
The question looms: Would the Pac-12 invite two of them to avoid what amounts to more than $120 million in exit and penalty fees?
“That’s the play, honestly,” says one athletic director with knowledge of the situation.
ragtimejoe1
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I don't know why, but even if it didn't help in the long run, I'd love it if the Flyboys would make an announcement:
"We are not comfortable with the direction this going or the actions of some of those involved. This is not an example we wish to set for our cadets. Instead, we want to demonstrate integrity and leadership. As such, the AF is in solidarity with any other team wishing to join us in our resolve to maintain the MWC in protest to the questionable practices consuming college athletics"
"We are not comfortable with the direction this going or the actions of some of those involved. This is not an example we wish to set for our cadets. Instead, we want to demonstrate integrity and leadership. As such, the AF is in solidarity with any other team wishing to join us in our resolve to maintain the MWC in protest to the questionable practices consuming college athletics"
ragtimejoe1
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Reading the tea leave here a little, this is actually not good for the pac. I think the aac turning them down was a huge hit. It didn't make sense how they thought they were going to get substantially more tv money than the MWC by adding MWC teams. That is until they reached towards the East. Once that was shot down, they're left with no options to increase TV revenue. If they shell out 200 mill or even 100 mill and can't get a fairly lucrative TV deal, it will be a disaster for them. Remember wsu and osu are operating on budgets they can't afford now that they are g6. They were banking on getting the eastern teams and enough of a tv deal to minimize the damage to their department. That ship sailed, so now they need that buyout money to limp along as long as they can. They just showed weakness. Litigation was the symptom.
Gloria needs to clearly sell this to the remaining ADs. Even 6 holding together will put the pac in a terrible spot and shift the power back to the mwc.
Gloria needs to clearly sell this to the remaining ADs. Even 6 holding together will put the pac in a terrible spot and shift the power back to the mwc.
Itsux2beaewe
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I agree with this. Not sure that Nevaraz can do that. I’ve not seen anything to date that gives me confidence she navigates this very well.
ragtimejoe1
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Reading the pac complaint (via main press articles--so could be misconstrued), they are basically saying this was a poison pill they had to swallow because they were under duress due to scheduling considerations:
1) The mwc did not put them in duress, the departing pac schools did.
2) They were offered to join the MWC which alleviates their scheduling woes
3) The mwc is not the only conference they could schedule with. If they didn't like the scheduling agreement in combination with the poaching penalty, they were free to schedule with whomever else they chose. It is not the MWC's fault that we offered the best deal and they took it.
We might actually be able to get this tossed without a long drawn out process. The more you think about it, the more desperate and ridiculous it is.
Itsux2beaewe
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Totally a pipe dream, maybe a fantasy but it sure would be comical if in some way the whole litigation blew up the whole corrupt acts and the old mates had to come back begging to stay in the MW with tail between legs. I’m pretty vindictive….. it would be painful very painful for them if I were in charge.
I wish Karma could somehow present herself in this whole mess.
ragtimejoe1
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I'm with you. I'd love the situation to evolve for that to happen and tell osu, wsu, and usu to pound sand. It won't, but it'd be awesome, lol.
