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I lurk a little on UteFans.net. While I generally appreciate their perspectives, as they are usually attacking the Y relentlessly, they seem to be heading in the direction of acting like their hated nemisis. Now I understand that we don't deserve much respect - we haven't earned it. But wow are they arrogant. If you add a little whining about officials and some really distorted logic that somehow BYU actually beat TCU last weekend - Utah fans are slowly becoming more and more like their neighbors to the south. And if anyone doubts that success can be fleeting, look at CSU today versus several years ago or even BYU. And this notion of attacking our academic prowess at UW - and suggesting that we have been acting like a guy who won the lottery - they haven't been paying attention. Lottery winners don't invest in the GE clean coal facility to maximize one of Wyoming's key economic drivers for a long, long time. Lottery winners don't invest in roads, bridges, wildlife and other infrastructure. Lottery winners don't invest in matching funds on the order of tens of millions of dollars for endowed professorships. Lottery winners don't start a new School of Energy Resources to capture investments in traditional industry, but also wind, solar, geothermal and other energy. And these investments make no mention of the millions spent on the new IPF, War, Business Incubator, Business College, libraries, Anthropology Building, Classroom Building, Biochemistry Building, Pharmacy Building, dorms, Union, Law School. Fine Arts Building and other capital projects. Oh, and there is that little project known as the NCAR supercomputer...and all of it is PAID FOR IN FULL, along with the tuition or partial tuition for any moderate to high achieving graduate from a Wyoming High School under the Hathaway Scholarship program.
 
Good post LawPoke. The Hathaway scholarship alone...is a HUGE deal. If kids do well in high school (in Wyoming) you can basically have books & tuition paid for. Maintain a decent GPA in college and it continues on until you graduate. Huh? Free college education? Say it isn't so in these tough economic times! No state out there can hold a candle to that offer.
 
LawPoke said:
I lurk a little on UteFans.net. While I generally appreciate their perspectives, as they are usually attacking the Y relentlessly, they seem to be heading in the direction of acting like their hated nemisis. Now I understand that we don't deserve much respect - we haven't earned it. But wow are they arrogant. If you add a little whining about officials and some really distorted logic that somehow BYU actually beat TCU last weekend - Utah fans are slowly becoming more and more like their neighbors to the south. And if anyone doubts that success can be fleeting, look at CSU today versus several years ago or even BYU. And this notion of attacking our academic prowess at UW - and suggesting that we have been acting like a guy who won the lottery - they haven't been paying attention. Lottery winners don't invest in the GE clean coal facility to maximize one of Wyoming's key economic drivers for a long, long time. Lottery winners don't invest in roads, bridges, wildlife and other infrastructure. Lottery winners don't invest in matching funds on the order of tens of millions of dollars for endowed professorships. Lottery winners don't start a new School of Energy Resources to capture investments in traditional industry, but also wind, solar, geothermal and other energy. And these investments make no mention of the millions spent on the new IPF, War, Business Incubator, Business College, libraries, Anthropology Building, Classroom Building, Biochemistry Building, Pharmacy Building, dorms, Union, Law School. Fine Arts Building and other capital projects. Oh, and there is that little project known as the NCAR supercomputer...and all of it is PAID FOR IN FULL, along with the tuition or partial tuition for any moderate to high achieving graduate from a Wyoming High School under the Hathaway Scholarship program.
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One thing you don't realize is the guy who said that, used to run around our North End Zone in Zubaz pants, a Blue Cape and a Nacho Libre Mask. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

If I can find the youtube clip of him, i'll post it.
 
I.... had to pay for college. UW is still collecting my cash.. err, my student loan company anyways. Regardless, Hathaway is a great deal, but didn't exist 8 years ago when I was in HS.
 
After briefly taking a look at Utefans.net I threw up in my mouth. Talk about arrogance.

Do any Utah fans respect Wyoming? I know we haven't had much on the field in the last 10 years to respect but come one. Wyoming has held its own out of the conference representing the MWC. Wyoming is going through a rough patch, but Utah had its own rough patch of football.

Academically, the University of Utah is no better than the University of Wyoming. I would argue Wyoming is on par or even better. It is the ONLY state university in the entire state, receiving the entire support of the whole state. Wyoming isn't populous, but there is a lot of money in the state that supports the university. The university receives numerous awards and recognitions nationally for its achievements.

Utah fans seem pretty sure of themselves that they will be moving along to the Pac-10 in 2 years. Well I have news for them... it's not happening. Pac-10 expansion requires a UNANIMOUS vote. Good luck getting all 10 of those schools on board with Utah.
 
Not to be a dick, but what does the MWC offer the U now that it's gone to the BCS twice and dominated?

The shitty thing is our state senator has gotten involved along with our State AG. This is only going to put more pressure on the B$C monopoly and in turn they will still continue to shun the MWC. What else do we have to do? I don't see the MWC getting AQ status, so that's why they look else where.

Also if TCU happens to run the table this year and get to a BCS game and win, i'd expect them to start looking also.
 
big z said:
LawPoke said:
I lurk a little on UteFans.net. While I generally appreciate their perspectives, as they are usually attacking the Y relentlessly, they seem to be heading in the direction of acting like their hated nemisis. Now I understand that we don't deserve much respect - we haven't earned it. But wow are they arrogant. If you add a little whining about officials and some really distorted logic that somehow BYU actually beat TCU last weekend - Utah fans are slowly becoming more and more like their neighbors to the south. And if anyone doubts that success can be fleeting, look at CSU today versus several years ago or even BYU. And this notion of attacking our academic prowess at UW - and suggesting that we have been acting like a guy who won the lottery - they haven't been paying attention. Lottery winners don't invest in the GE clean coal facility to maximize one of Wyoming's key economic drivers for a long, long time. Lottery winners don't invest in roads, bridges, wildlife and other infrastructure. Lottery winners don't invest in matching funds on the order of tens of millions of dollars for endowed professorships. Lottery winners don't start a new School of Energy Resources to capture investments in traditional industry, but also wind, solar, geothermal and other energy. And these investments make no mention of the millions spent on the new IPF, War, Business Incubator, Business College, libraries, Anthropology Building, Classroom Building, Biochemistry Building, Pharmacy Building, dorms, Union, Law School. Fine Arts Building and other capital projects. Oh, and there is that little project known as the NCAR supercomputer...and all of it is PAID FOR IN FULL, along with the tuition or partial tuition for any moderate to high achieving graduate from a Wyoming High School under the Hathaway Scholarship program.
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One thing you don't realize is the guy who said that, used to run around our North End Zone in Zubaz pants, a Blue Cape and a Nacho Libre Mask. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

If I can find the youtube clip of him, i'll post it.
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If any of you are on the MWC Board, he goes by Mr. Crimson on there I believe. He's actually a pretty decent guy and actually provided the link for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmBeNWZSTPY
 
I don't necessarily disagree with your assertion that the Pac-10 may be the only way for Utah to get constant access to the BCS. I don't even disagree that our football team doesn't warrant much respect - at least yet. I just don't appreciate uninformed bashing of the academic side of UW and the assertion that we act like the dumb guy in the trailer park who wins the lottery with the great revenues we have seen over the past 10 years. We've done pretty damned well with our revenues, and will continue to I might add.

And I don't mean to be a jerk, but what is the incentive for the Pac-10 schools to invite another member? Really an honest question. Wouldn't it merely mean that they simply add one more with which they have to share revenues? I remember CSU touting their resume for moving to the Pac-10 or Big 12...and now they are getting their butts kicked at home by SDSU...quite a turnaround in about 5 years. I know Utah, of any MWC school, deserves the hype - but I just don't see what is in it for the other AQ conferences nor do I see Utah as being so dominant so as to justify the arrogance relative to the rest of the MWC...especially after having to go to overtime this past week - at home - to get by Air Force, probably the fourth best team in the conference (and a team, to be sure, that shut us out).

I think Utah has been a great standard-bearer for the conference - so far - but they might not even win the MWC this year. In fact, if we can't beat TCU, I hope they run the table to follow in the Utes' footsteps and maintain the MWC's profile nationally.
 
big z said:
Not to be a dick, but what does the MWC offer the U now that it's gone to the BCS twice and dominated?

The s##tty thing is our state senator has gotten involved along with our State AG. This is only going to put more pressure on the B$C monopoly and in turn they will still continue to shun the MWC. What else do we have to do? I don't see the MWC getting AQ status, so that's why they look else where.

Also if TCU happens to run the table this year and get to a BCS game and win, i'd expect them to start looking also.
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The MWC offers tradition with all of Utah's traditional rivalries. I understand money talks louder, especially BCS money. I guess its just a shame if you only view your conference through the lens of the greenback and what can you do for me. I can see TCU bolting, because they have no real history or bond with any of us, but the MWC has worked out pretty well so far for everyone involved. (But no BCS league is taking a team purely for its performance on the field, in TCU's case, they can't even sell out their own 44,000 stadium even though they field a top-10 team in a metro area with 6 million people.)

I do think the MWC has a great shot at achieving an AQ bid at the end of the next evaluation period, provided we continue to improve our quality of competition and product on and off the field.

The Pac-10 would offer bigger money in general, but Utah's chance of competing in an actual BCS bowl goes down SIGNIFICANTLY in the Pac-10.

Aside from all of this, my main issue with all the Ute fans who think they are destined to the Pac-10... its not up to you. Its up to the presidents of the Pac-10 universities. Its not what does the PAC-10 offer Utah, its what does UTAH offer the Pac-10?

Honestly, what incentive does USC, Cal, or Oregon have to include Utah? Why would they want to include them? Utah doesn't bring that large of a market to the table or a bunch of money. Most Pac-10 universities have no real incentive to invite Utah.

I can't blame Ute fans for believing that they have reached the peak of the mountain with the MWC in the last 5 years and looking around. But I'm saying, be real, it is what it is, Utah has had 2 really great years in the past 5 years. But it is only 5 years. (With only 2 truly great years, 2004 & 2008). You guys have only won the conference twice in this decade, sandwiched between several pretty mediocre years where teams such as Wyoming and UNLV blew you off the field (2006, 2007). You haven't gotten that far yet to justify this kind of arrogance. Its not as if you have been playing in the MWC as Boise does in the WAC.

Lets see if they can sustain that. Lets see how things pan out in the next 5-10 years before you crown yourselves the next jewel of the Pac-10. If Utah goes on to win the conference in 5 of the next 6 years, winning a BCS bowl each time, then OK, I can see it. But it can all come crashing back down on you just as fast.
 
If Utah, TCU, or BYU feel the nned to leave the MWC, good luck, but I would miss the tradition of playing those guys. Remember when Miami and Va Tech left the Big East for the ACC and more respect. Hasn't worked out that great for them, but the rest of the Big East has benefitted, but those were different circumstances....I'm just saying.

As far as football goes, when was the last time AFA, SDSU, UNLV, or NM was conference champ or in a conf championship game, they have all had longer droughts than the Cowboys. The Cowboys need to return to thier winning days its been too long.
 
big z said:
Not to be a dick, but what does the MWC offer the U now that it's gone to the BCS twice and dominated?

The s##tty thing is our state senator has gotten involved along with our State AG. This is only going to put more pressure on the B$C monopoly and in turn they will still continue to shun the MWC. What else do we have to do? I don't see the MWC getting AQ status, so that's why they look else where.

Also if TCU happens to run the table this year and get to a BCS game and win, i'd expect them to start looking also.
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Z...

Not to piss on your parade...but the only people that are "looking" are you fans. Trust me on this one, your schools administration is so far from even looking, they may as well be in another galaxy.

Think about this for a second. Run the table in the MWC (and OOC) and you get to a BCS game. You then make the big bucks, and supplement your budget. Join any other conference (AQ conferences) and lose one or two games a year (which will always happen) and never make it to a BCS game again. Ever. Which do you think your administration would put their money on...running the MWC (and OOC) schedule and making the BCS, or running the PAC10 (and OOC) schedule and making the BCS. Don't forget, also, the PAC10 is not excited about dividing the pie another 1 or 2 directions! Duh!
 
McPeachy said:
big z said:
Not to be a dick, but what does the MWC offer the U now that it's gone to the BCS twice and dominated?

The s##tty thing is our state senator has gotten involved along with our State AG. This is only going to put more pressure on the B$C monopoly and in turn they will still continue to shun the MWC. What else do we have to do? I don't see the MWC getting AQ status, so that's why they look else where.

Also if TCU happens to run the table this year and get to a BCS game and win, i'd expect them to start looking also.
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Z...

Not to piss on your parade...but the only people that are "looking" are you fans. Trust me on this one, your schools administration is so far from even looking, they may as well be in another galaxy.

Think about this for a second. Run the table in the MWC (and OOC) and you get to a BCS game. You then make the big bucks, and supplement your budget. Join any other conference (AQ conferences) and lose one or two games a year (which will always happen) and never make it to a BCS game again. Ever. Which do you think your administration would put their money on...running the MWC (and OOC) schedule and making the BCS, or running the PAC10 (and OOC) schedule and making the BCS. Don't forget, also, the PAC10 is not excited about dividing the pie another 1 or 2 directions! Duh!
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You realize that they get money even if they don't go to a BCS game right? If Oregon or USC goes to the BCS game this year, they get the cash and only have to split it amongst the conference. If Utah, TCU, or BSU go to a BCS game they have to split it up with all the non-AQ schools.
 
big z said:
You realize that they get money even if they don't go to a BCS game right? If Oregon or USC goes to the BCS game this year, they get the cash and only have to split it amongst the conference. If Utah, TCU, or BSU go to a BCS game they have to split it up with all the non-AQ schools.
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Yes I think most people know that. But you didn't respond to any of the points I made in my last post. I'm just curious as to your thoughts.
 
calpoke25 said:
big z said:
You realize that they get money even if they don't go to a BCS game right? If Oregon or USC goes to the BCS game this year, they get the cash and only have to split it amongst the conference. If Utah, TCU, or BSU go to a BCS game they have to split it up with all the non-AQ schools.
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Yes I think most people know that. But you didn't respond to any of the points I made in my last post. I'm just curious as to your thoughts.
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As calpoke stated, ya, I know that. Even more reason the PAC10 (or whomever) will not want the piece of pie to shrink. And after all...TCU doesn't fit (too far - Texas), and neither does BYU (the Sunday thing), so that leaves the Eewts...and maybe Boise? And that logically speaking will NEVER happen. Stanford, Cal, UCLA would be instant and automatic "no-thank-yous"!

Oh, and, Utah has indeed been solid since Urban first arrived, no doubt. But 6 or 7 years of solid, doesn't mean much. It wasn't long ago Utah was horrific...and it won't be long again until horrific comes around again. Watch as Utah stays the same, and everyone around them gets better...welcome soon to not being bowl eligible.
 
We heard this same kind of talk from BYU throughout the 80s and look where that got them. Of course there are several factors, all church related, that hurt BYU's chances at jumping to another conference. Not being able to play on certain days of the week is one of those factors that come to mind. Sure, Utah doesn't have those type things tying them down, but then again they don't have a mythical (1984) national championship either.
 
I hope they leave and take BYU with them but I don't think we'd be that lucky. I'd much rather add Colorado and Nebraska to the MWC to replace them.
 
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