Without implimenting the recommendations in the consulting

[Cowboy Junky]

report, this job is a career killer for any coach. I think UW has proven that with our location, current budget, and facilities we can't win conference championships. It doesn't matter who the coach is. It doesn't matter if we have the best qb in the history of Wyoming.

The scary part to me is how it keeps getting worse. Vic set the bar as low as it could be. Cowboy Joe Glenn came in, had some success against BCS teams and couldn't beat BYU, Utah, and TCU.

DC can't even be competitive in a MWC without BYU, Utah, and TCU. We're getting lit up by USU, San Jose, Hawaii, Fresno, and Boise.

Yeah, we'll probably fire DC, but don't expect anything different from the next guy. He's going to be using the same rusty, old toolbox that the previous coaches have failed with.

We're so ignorant at Wyoming, we run the president out of town that wants to accomplish the recommendations of the consulting report and give us the tools necessary to be successful.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Meanwhile Marty English is happier than ever.

 

[YankPoke]

I would unfortunately have to agree with this. It is not going to matter who the coach is until we do something different as a school to improve our situation. The first step is to vastly increase the athletics budget in order to hire better coaches, as well as assistants.

 

[Cornpoke]

I don't expect UW to be a top flight FBS school but to be as bad as we are is unacceptable. Programs like NDSU faces even more challenges than us but yet they could easily beat us in football. All I'm looking for is a football team that can be as competitive as an NDSU or Montana. Both those schools are better than us... perhaps our athletic department could research what those schools are doing right.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

It's not fair to the kids, the fans, or the state of Wyoming to keep underfunding the football program. It's been a damn embarrassment for going on twenty years.

We HAVE to have:

1. A similar recruiting budget to our piers(actually larger then them to get them to Laramie).
2. Competitive coaching salaries for the assistants(again probably more then our piers).
3. Use of a private plane.
4. Credit acceptance that makes transferring to Wyoming easy.
5. A bigger travel budget to keep us from having to bodybag.
6. Some of the best facilities in the league(we have this but if we slip we'll fall behind again).

There's a reason why the donations are low and the fan base is tepid at best. It's our recent history. When Wyoming played Nebraska tight to start the season, Facebook was abuzz with Wyoming fans that were proud of the Pokes. Most of them haven't posted anything positive about Wyoming in years. They want to come back. They want to be proud. They want to donate. We have to give them a reason to get onboard and that requires a winner. Someone has to make the initial investment and follow through on Sternbergs plan and then all of those fans that were excited after the Nebraska game(and there were a ton of them) will jump onboard.

If this doesn't happen we're going to be a perennial cellar dwellar.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Yeah, we'll probably fire DC, but don't expect anything different from the next guy. He's going to be using the same rusty, old toolbox that the previous coaches have failed with.

Yup. Hit the repeat button.

SO much more needs to happen than just a new coach.

 

[Aaron]

Well look at that. An entire thread I can't find something to disagree with

 

[Cowboy Junky]

I would have loved to see what Glenn or DC could have done with a budget that was upper half in our league. Look at the teams that had upper half budgets and almost all of them were dominant in at least football or basketball.

Those two could have succeeded with a proper set of tools.

It's not the coaching, it's the tools they are given.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I would have loved to see what Glenn or DC could have done with a budget that was upper half in our league. Look at the teams that had upper half budgets and almost all of them were dominant in at least football or basketball.

Those two could have succeeded with a proper set of tools.

It's not the coaching, it's the tools they are given.

I agree with part of that, but coaching is a big factor still.
Look at USC since they fired Kiffin. They are "USC" again.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

I would have loved to see what Glenn or DC could have done with a budget that was upper half in our league. Look at the teams that had upper half budgets and almost all of them were dominant in at least football or basketball.

Those two could have succeeded with a proper set of tools.

It's not the coaching, it's the tools they are given.

I agree with part of that, but coaching is a big factor still.
Look at USC since they fired Kiffin. They are "USC" again.

I agree to some extent. Still, Vince Lombardi could be coaching Wyoming. When the rest of the league increases their budget by 50 percent and yours only increases by 20 percent, you're in trouble. It's not like Laramie is San Diego. It's cold all the time, kind of boring, and the wind blows a million miles an hour all year long. I couldn't wait to get out of the winter weather when my time in Laramie was up.

You have to have the tools in place for the coach when he takes the job. Once you get the momentum, then it feeds itself. Winning recruits players all by itself.

I sure as hell hope we follow through on the recommendations of the report, because a coaching salary of 1.2 million and assistant salaries well below the average aren't going to get us a Lombardi.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I would have loved to see what Glenn or DC could have done with a budget that was upper half in our league. Look at the teams that had upper half budgets and almost all of them were dominant in at least football or basketball.

Those two could have succeeded with a proper set of tools.

It's not the coaching, it's the tools they are given.

I agree with part of that, but coaching is a big factor still.
Look at USC since they fired Kiffin. They are "USC" again.

I agree to some extent. Still, Vince Lombardi could be coaching Wyoming. When the rest of the league increases their budget by 50 percent and yours only increases by 20 percent, you're in trouble. It's not like Laramie is San Diego. It's cold all the time, kind of boring, and the wind blows a million miles an hour all year long. I couldn't wait to get out of the winter weather when my time in Laramie was up.

You have to have the tools in place for the coach when he takes the job. Once you get the momentum, then it feeds itself. Winning recruits players all by itself.

I sure as hell hope we follow through on the recommendations of the report, because a coaching salary of 1.2 million and assistant salaries well below the average aren't going to get us a Lombardi.

Oh I totally agree. We need to be able to pay top assistants. We need to dump money into the program to be successful. Not just every once in a while so the casual fans can say "See we put money into the program".
It's a total arms race and that is why Alabama and Oregon are on top.

 

[WYCowboy]

CJ, you are right on target with your comments. I have been saying for years that a major part of the problem is with the state legislature, governors office, UW board of trustees, UW president, and AD. All of these people need to go to BSU and study them. They are ahead of UW in every way, shape, & form with the possible exception of academics and at the rate they are going they will pass us there very soon. It's embarrassing and a total shame.
PAY ATTENTION TO WHO YOU VOTE FOR! DON'T JUST VOTE FOR THE MOST POPULAR GOOD-OL-BOY WHO IS HAPPY WITH HOW THINGS ARE GOING AND THINKS THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

 

[stymeman]

when we do increase everything, then wait for the people complaining about ticket prices, they think $40 per game is high, just wait

 

[stymeman]

if it's about assistant coaching salaries, are they not coaching as hard because they aren't getting paid enough????

 

[COS Cowboy]

if it's about assistant coaching salaries, are they not coaching as hard because they aren't getting paid enough????

It's not that they aren't coaching as hard because they aren't geting paid enough, it's that we can't attract good coaches because the pay isn't enough and when we do find even a marginal coach, they don't stay because they don't get paid enough.