who do you want to see on the court together?

[cali2wyo]

Who would you guys like to see on the court together? Not necessarily a starting five, but a group of players you think will be successful if together?

I think this would be interesting:
PG- Lieberman
SG- Adams
SF- Herndon
PF- Nance
PF- Cooke

Having al at the 3 would really stretch out a defense, and give extra room for Nance and DC inside, and for Adams to penetrate. I also think Lieberman is a much better ball handler and passer than Grabau. The speed of Adams will make up for the potential defensive liability of having Herndon guard smaller, quicker guys at the 3.

 

[stymeman]

think i agree

PG-Lieberman----let him grow and learn, skys the limit for this kid
SG-Adams----let a stud be a stud, more so
SF-Herndon---this kid is gonna be special
PF-Nance----let the stud flourish more so
PF-Cooke-----improvement is best on the court on the fly and this guys has gotten better and better

Grabau---i like him but he's like the weather---maybe he'll be better off coming off the bench

 

[Adv8RU12]

What I would like to see is that the bench players, for the most part, go in one at a time with the starters. In other words, Lieberman would sub for Grabau and play with Cooke, Nance, Adams, and Hankerson. Herndon would go in for Cooke and play with Grabau, Nance, Adams, Hankerson. And so on for the other subs. What I think is wrong is to do wholesale subs going in all at one time.

 

[gopokes1399]

I think my favorite lineup has to be our starting 5, naturally. They are all experienced and bring something different to the table.
Riley is so under control and can hit a shot anytime.

Adams is freaky athletic and a one man fast break, if he gets hot he is among the best scorers in the conference. Not to mention, he can lock down the opposing teams best perimeter player

Hankerson has been so good in these first two games, he is a great passer and leads the team in assists and has shown his jumper is improved. He is a do a little bit of everything type.

Cooke, Cooke looks improved early on, his stamina is improved and that has haunted him the past couple years. If he starts to rebound and keeps playing hard he will have a great season. His main thing is to play within himself and not try to do too much.

Larry looks pretty healthy and is our best player. I don't think I need to say a whole lot here, we all know what he brings on both ends.

Our starting 5 is very good and they work so well together.

Washington (when healthy), Lieberman, McManamen and Herndon will be our main subs I think. Sellers will provide limited minutes.

Washington will be a good and experienced back up PG. Lieberman is a very solid point, and by conference play I think we will see a very good ball player at that position who can also play off ball.

McManamen looks to be much improved since we last saw him and is knocking down his shots, I think he can be of some relief when our guys need a rest.

Herndon, I think this guy is going to be a stud. He is about 6'9" and has a very smooth jumper and has already knocked down a couple threes and proven that he can rebound well too. I think he will be a stud as he gets more experience and we may have a special player in this guy in the coming years.

Sellers, He is slow, unnathletic, and doesn't offer a lot on offense, but he plays hard and can come in for a minute here and there and give our guys a breather if they need one.

Bentz and Barnes may be able to help a little, but I think Barnes is a project and we know what we get from Bentz.

Gorski- I think he will play when he gets healthy. He has a very nice shot and provides some size. He just needs to get healthy and start playing.

I think Gorski, Lieberman, and Herndon could all be very good come conference play after they get some experience.

 

[cali2wyo]

Grabau---i like him but he's like the weather---maybe he'll be better off coming off the bench

I don't think he should lose his starting spot anytime soon, but basketball is more than just a 3 point contest, and I don't think he's athletic enough to get his own shot off. Just look at his numbers after Nance went down. From what I've seen, it looks like Lieberman is better at making his own opportunities.

 

[kdwrightuwyo]

Grabau did drive to the basket well the other night, though. Went into traffic, under-sized and was able to get the shots to fall.

 

[cali2wyo]

Grabau did drive to the basket well the other night, though. Went into traffic, under-sized and was able to get the shots to fall.

True. But I don't see him being able to do that against CU, SDSU, New Mexico and the likes. I thought Lieberman was great at times driving in and then dishing out to find guys on the perimeter, but of course I would prefer grabau and his consistency in clutch moments. Adams is also great at dumping it off to DC for a dunk, or finishing it off himself and providing the marketing department with loads of material for pump up videos

 

[gopokes1399]

Grabau did drive to the basket well the other night, though. Went into traffic, under-sized and was able to get the shots to fall.

Grabau isn't bad at getting into the lane, and he let's the game come to him. He is exactly what Shy wants at PG right now. Lieberman may be better in the future, from a career stand point, but Grabau is in his 3rd year as a starter. He isn't going anywhere, he is a an underrated defender, a good ball handler, and has a gorgeous shot. He is also better at creating his own shot than many give him credit for.

I hope Lieberman is as good as people think, that will give more opportunity for Grabau to get some rest. He hardly sat last year and I think toward the end of the season that took a toll on him. We also have Trey Washington, who is pretty dang good too at times and is now in his sophomore season..

We are deep at PG, deeper than we have been in a long time. I think as fans we can take comfort in that, I know the coaches do.

 

[gopokes1399]

Grabau did drive to the basket well the other night, though. Went into traffic, under-sized and was able to get the shots to fall.

True. But I don't see him being able to do that against CU, SDSU, New Mexico and the likes.

He had 17 against SDSU last year... He is good, and even better in big games, it seems

 

[stymeman]

he sure looked lost last night when it wouldn't fall, he is how his 3 goes for the most part, I like him but he needs to learn how to be more of a court leader being a senior, create more opportunities for others when it's not working for him, that's all i ask

 

[cali2wyo]

Grabau did drive to the basket well the other night, though. Went into traffic, under-sized and was able to get the shots to fall.

True. But I don't see him being able to do that against CU, SDSU, New Mexico and the likes.

He had 17 against SDSU last year... He is good, and even better in big games, it seems

I was referring to his ability to drive and finish, not overall production. He definitely won us that game last year. Of those 17, 12 came from beyond the arc though. I was just saying that I think Lieberman is better at driving to the basket and finding open guys. But should he start over a proven senior? Hell no.

 

[stymeman]

Grabau did drive to the basket well the other night, though. Went into traffic, under-sized and was able to get the shots to fall.

True. But I don't see him being able to do that against CU, SDSU, New Mexico and the likes.

He had 17 against SDSU last year... He is good, and even better in big games, it seems

I was referring to his ability to drive and finish, not overall production. He definitely won us that game last year. Of those 17, 12 came from beyond the arc though. I was just saying that I think Lieberman is better at driving to the basket and finding open guys. But should he start over a proven senior? Hell no.

Not the way he played last night!!!! hope he's juiced to beat his hated Buffs on Saturday!!!! and has a career game

 

[gopokes1399]

Last night was a rare occasion. I think we see the Grabau we know and love on Saturday.

I am so glad we have two capable point guards behind Grabau. Washington and Lieberman will give Grabau a chance to sit more than he has in the past... He played way too much last year and like I said, it showed toward the end of the season

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Last night was a rare occasion. I think we see the Grabau we know and love on Saturday.

I am so glad we have two capable point guards behind Grabau. Washington and Lieberman will give Grabau a chance to sit more than he has in the past... He played way too much last year and like I said, it showed toward the end of the season

Lieberman - PG
Adams - SG
Hankerson - SF
Nance - PF/C
Cooke - PF/C

I think Lieberman is a all around better player than Grabau. Riley has done nothing in the first two games to make me think otherwise. He is still slow and looks gassed. His shot is still off like the end of last season and he hasn't wowed me on defense. I think we have other, BETTER options. I understand he's a senior and such but we should focus more on whose the best player. Hell,

Adams - PG
Hankerson - SG
McNamenen (SP?) - SF
Nance - PF/C
Cooke - PF/C

would be a better lineup than our current starting 5.

On a side note, can anyone tell me why Jack Bentz sees the court at all? That dude is not D1 material...

 

[TheCup]

I think Lieberman has taken Washington's spot.

Washington went a full month last year shooting airballs. Literally saw three or four consecutive games where the kid couldn't draw iron. His shot looked horrible and as his shooting went so did the rest of his game. He didn't show any buy-in on the defensive side and never really forced the issue on offense by getting to the basket. Couple all of that with his tantrums on Twitter about wanting to transfer and I'd say his time in Laramie is running short. Lieberman is a better player anyway. A little smaller physically but much better court sense, a true point guard and a much better shooter. I'd bet green money that Washington isn't on the roster next year, and that's why Shyatt signed Morris today. We had no other obvious need for another point/combo guard.

There is no way Barnes is 18 or 19 years old. Dude is jacked. He's every bit the 260 or whatever that he's listed and it's not a soft 260 either. Not sure I've ever seen a freshman with that kind of size and (apparent) strength come into the program. Even Leckner was just a skinny California kid when he showed up. All that said, he was lost offensively when he was in there. But if he develops, which he will as long as this staff is here, he could be a monster in three years with that size. I could see him being a Colton Iverson type, but with better size and strength. You can win conference titles around guys like that.

I'm interested in seeing if we ever go big, with Nance, Cooke and Herndon on the front line. Herndon needs to toughen up and develop an inside game, and he's going to get the shit kicked out of him a little bit in conference play. But he is cut from that sort of SDSU mold of tall skinny kids who can pull their man out to the perimeter.

 

[calpoke25]

Last night was a rare occasion. I think we see the Grabau we know and love on Saturday.

I am so glad we have two capable point guards behind Grabau. Washington and Lieberman will give Grabau a chance to sit more than he has in the past... He played way too much last year and like I said, it showed toward the end of the season

Lieberman - PG
Adams - SG
Hankerson - SF
Nance - PF/C
Cooke - PF/C

I think Lieberman is a all around better player than Grabau. Riley has done nothing in the first two games to make me think otherwise. He is still slow and looks gassed. His shot is still off like the end of last season and he hasn't wowed me on defense. I think we have other, BETTER options. I understand he's a senior and such but we should focus more on whose the best player. Hell,

Adams - PG
Hankerson - SG
McNamenen (SP?) - SF
Nance - PF/C
Cooke - PF/C

would be a better lineup than our current starting 5.

On a side note, can anyone tell me why Jack Bentz sees the court at all? That dude is not D1 material...

Mcmanamen has hit some nice threes but him at SF? I think he will provide a spark off the bench and some spacing on the offensive end, maybe knock down some corner 3s, but if you're worried about Grabau's athleticism and ability to hang with the lanky 6'9 types SDSU is going to put at that position, you need to have same concern with mcmanam right now IMO.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Last night was a rare occasion. I think we see the Grabau we know and love on Saturday.

I am so glad we have two capable point guards behind Grabau. Washington and Lieberman will give Grabau a chance to sit more than he has in the past... He played way too much last year and like I said, it showed toward the end of the season

Lieberman - PG
Adams - SG
Hankerson - SF
Nance - PF/C
Cooke - PF/C

I think Lieberman is a all around better player than Grabau. Riley has done nothing in the first two games to make me think otherwise. He is still slow and looks gassed. His shot is still off like the end of last season and he hasn't wowed me on defense. I think we have other, BETTER options. I understand he's a senior and such but we should focus more on whose the best player. Hell,

Adams - PG
Hankerson - SG
McNamenen (SP?) - SF
Nance - PF/C
Cooke - PF/C

would be a better lineup than our current starting 5.

On a side note, can anyone tell me why Jack Bentz sees the court at all? That dude is not D1 material...

Mcmanamen has hit some nice threes but him at SF? I think he will provide a spark off the bench and some spacing on the offensive end, maybe knock down some corner 3s, but if you're worried about Grabau's athleticism and ability to hang with the lanky 6'9 types SDSU is going to put at that position, you need to have same concern with mcmanam right now IMO.

Adams - G
Hankerson - G
McNamenen - G
Nance - F
Cooke - F

Is that better?

There were times last night where Adams (or Lieberman), Hank, and Mac were all on the floor together. Who lines up on who defensively is a different story but it worked. Don't let his inexperience fool you. Mac is a gamer, he stuck his nose in there on D and made some really good reads and a couple steals and has a good sense on the floor with the ball. And he can consistently hit shots. Thats enough for me right now. With Grabau, Adams, and Hank on the floor the first two games, we haven't been great. Its taken some bench "spark" to get us moving, especially last night. Shyatt even commented on how the starters didn't intend to get down 12 early on but it was the bench players who gave us an edge last night and Mac was right in the middle of it. IMO a rotation with him in it serves us better than a rotation with Grabau in it. For now. In a month this whole convo could be moot but so far Grabau has looked like the weeker of our back court.

 

[TheRealUW]

I think Lieberman has taken Washington's spot.

Washington went a full month last year shooting airballs. Literally saw three or four consecutive games where the kid couldn't draw iron. His shot looked horrible and as his shooting went so did the rest of his game. He didn't show any buy-in on the defensive side and never really forced the issue on offense by getting to the basket. Couple all of that with his tantrums on Twitter about wanting to transfer and I'd say his time in Laramie is running short. Lieberman is a better player anyway. A little smaller physically but much better court sense, a true point guard and a much better shooter. I'd bet green money that Washington isn't on the roster next year, and that's why Shyatt signed Morris today. We had no other obvious need for another point/combo guard.

Completely agree. Even once Washington is healthy, Lieberman is going to be the first PG off the bench. Washington's minutes are going to be sparse this year, and he doesn't seem like someone who is going to take playing behind a true freshman very well.

I think Washington has the skill set to eventually be a contributor to this program if he buys into what Shyatt will ask him to do. I hope he sticks around, but not sure that will be the case.