Where is everyone who wanted Glenn's OC's Fired?

[theman]

Ready to eat your damn crow?? ??

This offense sucks.

Many, many, many of you kept wanting to fire Joe Glenn's offensive coordinator thinking that was the problem with the offense. Fire one, then another, then another.. still no better...

So we bring in the National Offensive Coordinator of the Year and make him head coach.

HOW IS THAT TURNING OUT?? ?? HUH????????????????????????? now I'm hearing the same things, Fire the OC, fire the OC...ahaahaaahhahahhahahahahaha.... you people know nothing... give it up!!

do you fools want to know the problem?? ?? Its the same problem its always been.

WE HAVE SUNBELT / MAC / D1AA TYPE TALENT. THAT IS THE COLD HARD TRUTH. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only difference is Joe Glenn had a great defense and now our defense is shot too.
Nice switch to the 4-3. :lol: Utah, TCU, Texas, AFA, and Boise all could have run the ball EVERY SINGLE PLAY AND SCORED A TOUCHDOWN EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY HAD THE BALL. WE NEVER EVER EVER COULD HAVE STOPPED THEM. They were gaining 5-10 yards a carry whenever they wanted. WE DON'T MATCH UP. THESE TEAMS WERE ALL TOYING WITH US LIKE A PUNCHING BAG OR SPARRING PARTNER GETTING THEIR REPS AND PRACTICE IN.. It's sickening to watch us rollover for these teams.

 

[Cornpoke]

Any offense sucks without the proper players to run it. Like I said in my other post. I don't see DC panicking and switching O-Coordinators as Glenn did. He will live and Die by his system but will work hard to get the right talent to play in our system. I think we all know what needs to be done but how do we get there? I certainly believe the right coaching staff is in place.

 

[ELKMT]

The difference was Joe Glenn had six years to build a team but our offense progressively got worse when Glenn's recruits took over (Glenn's only year with a winning record was with Koenings classes). I am not sold on DC yet, but it is a bit premature to judge when he has only coached one full season. Cockhill was not a good coach and the jury is still out for DC

 

[McPeachy]

The difference was Joe Glenn had six years to build a team but our offense progressively got worse when Glenn's recruits took over (Glenn's only year with a winning record was with Koenings classes). I am not sold on DC yet, but it is a bit premature to judge when he has only coached one full season. Cockhill was not a good coach and the jury is still out for DC

Hey Cockhill...I mean, "theman"...Read this over and over and over until it gets through your fat fucking skull. You sucked then, and you suck now.

 

[cowboyz]

Ready to eat your damn crow?? ??

This offense sucks.

Many, many, many of you kept wanting to fire Joe Glenn's offensive coordinator thinking that was the problem with the offense. Fire one, then another, then another.. still no better...

So we bring in the National Offensive Coordinator of the Year and make him head coach.

HOW IS THAT TURNING OUT?? ?? HUH????????????????????????? now I'm hearing the same things, Fire the OC, fire the OC...ahaahaaahhahahhahahahahaha.... you people know nothing... give it up!!

do you fools want to know the problem?? ?? Its the same problem its always been.

WE HAVE SUNBELT / MAC / D1AA TYPE TALENT. THAT IS THE COLD HARD TRUTH. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only difference is Joe Glenn had a great defense and now our defense is shot too.
Nice switch to the 4-3. :lol: Utah, TCU, Texas, AFA, and Boise all could have run the ball EVERY SINGLE PLAY AND SCORED A TOUCHDOWN EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY HAD THE BALL. WE NEVER EVER EVER COULD HAVE STOPPED THEM. They were gaining 5-10 yards a carry whenever they wanted. WE DON'T MATCH UP. THESE TEAMS WERE ALL TOYING WITH US LIKE A PUNCHING BAG OR SPARRING PARTNER GETTING THEIR REPS AND PRACTICE IN.. It's sickening to watch us rollover for these teams.

I check out this and a couple boards and I don't see a lot of people complaining about our record or even our low point production as much as the play calling. The players don't call their own plays, it comes from the OC. Since you can't fire the team, sometimes it's best to fire the (or a) coach. Maybe a different set of eyes can use the players to their strengths (ie-coach the team you have, not the one you wish you had). The talent isn't as strong as we'd like and saying it's MAC quality is probably pretty accurate. It will always be this way as we don't have a large pool of local players to choose from so we are fighting larger, more successful or local teams for the out of state players. That is a losing battle and one that will never end.

Most of the teams that beat us did have their way with us, but I'm guessing you're not so accurate with the AFA. If they could have scored at will they might have tried to, as it was a pretty tight game. I think the the defense played well that game.

Is your point of your post that you believe Glenn shouldn't have been fired and now that we're not scoring that we should all eat crow? If so, I have to disagree just a little seeing as we did better without him as the HC last year and I don't imagine we'd be better this year, at this point, if he was still here. If your point is different, I missed it.

 

[wellpoke]

If Glenn's teams had played this schedule, they would have been beaten by an average of 100-0. Glenn was a good cheerleader, just not a great coach. He made some bad hires and refused to make any changes until forced. Then he made the situation with worse hires. I don't see DC having that problem. If DC felt Arroyo or English was that bad, I think changes will be made.

Personally, I'm not surprised at this point. DC doesn't have the players he needs on either side of the ball, and instead of burning redshirts to plug a hole, he's decided to let most of his recruits get bigger and stronger before they see the field. That tells me he's taking the long view and is actually looking to build a program with players that fit his program.

Yes, I'm frustrated with the offensive production. And yes, I'm frustrated with the vanilla play-calling. But I think the bigger picture here is that we've played a freakishly tough schedule, and DC didn't push the panic button. We get a tough game at BYU where I think we'll see a much improved team. The rest of the games on the schedule are winnable - though SDSU will be tough - and I think we'll be well positioned at the end of the season.

GO POKES!

 

[cheypoke]

I agree the responses here, cockhill. Glenn's OC deserved to be fired. That offense did indeed get worse each year. We saw quality QBS come here and watch their skills deteriorate over the course of their careers. And as mentioned earlier, while fans are grumbling about the offense now, I dont hear anyone calling for the OC to be fired. While I am disappointed in the offense, I am still giving them some time to work out issues.

 

[TheRealUW]

It's too bad that the points in this post were chosen to be delivered in the manner that they were because I actually agree with them. There is no doubt in my mind that we have inferior talent and that it explains 95% of the losses we have had in the past decade. Conversely, 95% of the games we have won have been because we have had better talent. Yes, there will always be games when the team with lesser talent wins, but those odds aren't very high and you certainly can't rely on that to win you games during the season.

When DC was hired, I thought he understood that his success at UW would hang almost entirely on his ability to recruit better players to UW. If you want to compete with the TCU's and Utah's of the college football world on a consistent basis, then you better damn well have similar talent levels on a consistent basis. Unfortunately, it seems as if DC and his staff have decided their recruiting approach will consist mostly of searching for all those 2-star gems that not many other teams want. Yeah, you might find a couple of those guys per year, but you aren't going to build an entire team out of the "sleepers".

A quote in a newspaper article a few weeks ago by Arroyo really disturbed me. He basically said that the UW staff probably won't ever win in a head to head recruiting battle with TCU, but that they thought they could take the "leftovers" and still compete with them. Are you kidding me? You can't even compete with a team in your own conference for the majority of players? I hope the coaching staff doesn't plan on competing with TCU anytime soon then. Look, I don't know have the answer as far as how to get better players to come to UW, but its an absolute necessity if we want to be competitive for a MWC title. Honestly, if there is truly that much of a descrepancy between the upper teams and the lower teams in this conference, then they do deserve to go onto greener pastures and we do deserve to be left behind. This isn't the 90's anymore, and the upper level teams in this conference are recruiting much better talent than they ever dreamed of in the 90's. We better keep up or we will eventually fall by the wayside.

 

[JimmyDimes]

When DC was hired, I thought he understood that his success at UW would hang almost entirely on his ability to recruit better players to UW. If you want to compete with the TCU's and Utah's of the college football world on a consistent basis, then you better damn well have similar talent levels on a consistent basis. Unfortunately, it seems as if DC and his staff have decided their recruiting approach will consist mostly of searching for all those 2-star gems that not many other teams want. Yeah, you might find a couple of those guys per year, but you aren't going to build an entire team out of the "sleepers".

A quote in a newspaper article a few weeks ago by Arroyo really disturbed me. He basically said that the UW staff probably won't ever win in a head to head recruiting battle with TCU, but that they thought they could take the "leftovers" and still compete with them. Are you kidding me? You can't even compete with a team in your own conference for the majority of players? I hope the coaching staff doesn't plan on competing with TCU anytime soon then. Look, I don't know have the answer as far as how to get better players to come to UW, but its an absolute necessity if we want to be competitive for a MWC title. Honestly, if there is truly that much of a descrepancy between the upper teams and the lower teams in this conference, then they do deserve to go onto greener pastures and we do deserve to be left behind. This isn't the 90's anymore, and the upper level teams in this conference are recruiting much better talent than they ever dreamed of in the 90's. We better keep up or we will eventually fall by the wayside.

You make is sound as if DC can snap his fingers and land any recruit he wants to. Like everything else when it comes to building a program, it takes time. You don't beat TCU for Texas recruits out of the gate (that is what Arroyo was talking about), You need to build something and get a potential recruit excited to be a part of it. Boise hasn't been beating anyone in recruiting battles (until lately). In fact, a majority of their teams consists of 2* players who have bought into a system. That is what DC needs to do....BUILD THIS DAMN PROGRAM. And that isn't happening with two recruiting classes.

DC took us to a bowl in his first season and won. I guess that isn't good enough for those who want their cake and want it NOW.

ps. Patterson started coaching TCU in 2000. In the two years prior to Patterson taking over, TCU had winning records. Gary's first year was good, proceeded by a 6-6 year, then another good year, followed by a 5-6 year. Also, take a look at the level of recruits he landed when he first started to now and it isn't even close. That is how you build a program. Win consistently, go to bowls, and improve the level of your recruits.

 

[WYOBISONMAN]

I gotta say that this offense is indeed terrible. I hope I am eating crow next year, but I am not at all impressed with Arroyo. The Pokes are not impressive at all this year.

 

[cowboyz]

When DC was hired, I thought he understood that his success at UW would hang almost entirely on his ability to recruit better players to UW. If you want to compete with the TCU's and Utah's of the college football world on a consistent basis, then you better damn well have similar talent levels on a consistent basis. Unfortunately, it seems as if DC and his staff have decided their recruiting approach will consist mostly of searching for all those 2-star gems that not many other teams want. Yeah, you might find a couple of those guys per year, but you aren't going to build an entire team out of the "sleepers".

A quote in a newspaper article a few weeks ago by Arroyo really disturbed me. He basically said that the UW staff probably won't ever win in a head to head recruiting battle with TCU, but that they thought they could take the "leftovers" and still compete with them. Are you kidding me? You can't even compete with a team in your own conference for the majority of players? I hope the coaching staff doesn't plan on competing with TCU anytime soon then. Look, I don't know have the answer as far as how to get better players to come to UW, but its an absolute necessity if we want to be competitive for a MWC title. Honestly, if there is truly that much of a descrepancy between the upper teams and the lower teams in this conference, then they do deserve to go onto greener pastures and we do deserve to be left behind. This isn't the 90's anymore, and the upper level teams in this conference are recruiting much better talent than they ever dreamed of in the 90's. We better keep up or we will eventually fall by the wayside.

You make is sound as if DC can snap his fingers and land any recruit he wants to. Like everything else when it comes to building a program, it takes time. You don't beat TCU for Texas recruits out of the gate (that is what Arroyo was talking about), You need to build something and get a potential recruit excited to be a part of it. Boise hasn't been beating anyone in recruiting battles (until lately). In fact, a majority of their teams consists of 2* players who have bought into a system. That is what DC needs to do....BUILD THIS DAMN PROGRAM. And that isn't happening with two recruiting classes.

DC took us to a bowl in his first season and won. I guess that isn't good enough for those who want their cake and want it NOW.

ps. Patterson started coaching TCU in 2000. In the two years prior to Patterson taking over, TCU had winning records. Gary's first year was good, proceeded by a 6-6 year, then another good year, followed by a 5-6 year. Also, take a look at the level of recruits he landed when he first started to now and it isn't even close. That is how you build a program. Win consistently, go to bowls, and improve the level of your recruits.

We can't win the recruiting battle and need to find gems. That I understand. I'm real pleased with last season. And the only thing driving me crazy this season is the play calling. Stop running the ball sideways, stop throwing the ball sideways, the endzone is straight ahead. Speed teams can use these plays we can not. At least not yet. One star recruit, two star recruit, I don't care. Throw the ball down the field. All of our receivers can run in that direction, and we seem to have a little success when we do make the attempts.

 

[Landiegopoke]

The difference was Joe Glenn had six years to build a team but our offense progressively got worse when Glenn's recruits took over (Glenn's only year with a winning record was with Koenings classes). I am not sold on DC yet, but it is a bit premature to judge when he has only coached one full season. Cockhill was not a good coach and the jury is still out for DC

Hey Cockhill...I mean, "theman"...Read this over and over and over until it gets through your fat f##king skull. You sucked then, and you suck now.

Hey McPeach, You forgot to include East Pops Off and my all time favorite Sphincter Boy :thumb:
And Billy Boy do you remember back in 2005 before the season and before you ruined Corry we were all worried that Glen would win to much to fast and Nebraska would steal him from us? Look at how delusional we all were then.

 

[McPeachy]

Hey McPeach, You forgot to include East Pops Off and my all time favorite Sphincter Boy :thumb:

I had forgetten about that little speck of shit EPS, er, Billy Cockmaster! Remember when Willy's "dad" wrote into the CST a year or so ago with this same contrived drivel? That whole family really needs to "LET IT THE FUCK GO"! Hilarious!

 

[DanBoon]

Glenn took us to a bowl game and won too...and his team AGAIN qualified for a bowl in 2006, but the berth at the NM Bowl was awarded to New Mexico, a team that also had 6 wins----but one of their losses was to the POKES. New Mexico lost the bowl game, by the way, but of course sold more tickets by being in-state. You young guys probably didn't even know that, or conveniently forgot.

 

[mrtnt3x]

Glenn took us to a bowl game and won too...and his team AGAIN qualified for a bowl in 2006, but the berth at the NM Bowl was awarded to New Mexico, a team that also had 6 wins----but one of their losses was to the POKES. New Mexico lost the bowl game, by the way, but of course sold more tickets by being in-state. You young guys probably didn't even know that, or conveniently forgot.

You all have to give DC some time! Rome wasn't built in one night! You don't go from a power run game to the spread overnight it usually takes a few years to go the spread. Cowboy Joe Glenn had his time and couldn't get it done, and I loved Glenn as a person but his time was up. Toledo and Mizzou's offense was shitty at first, when he left both, they were really good o's!

On top of that, we have gone through murder's row this year. Am I happy with the offense? Hell no, but we all have to stay patient, Christensen has a way too good of an offensive mind to not get better.

 

[DanBoon]

The point I made had nothing whatsoever to do with DC. I was just stating the fact that Glenn qualified for TWO bowls in his tenure and got screwed out of it. I hope that doesn't happen to us ever again---with DC or anybody else.

 

[mrtnt3x]

The point I made had nothing whatsoever to do with DC. I was just stating the fact that Glenn qualified for TWO bowls in his tenure and got screwed out of it. I hope that doesn't happen to us ever again---with DC or anybody else.

Oh I completey we agree we got hosed in 06' winning 5 out of last 7 as well. Unfortunately we get hosed more than most teams! A win this weekend will cure most of our ills, go pokes! Beat the kitties!

 

[Fullback41]

Glenn took us to a bowl game and won too...and his team AGAIN qualified for a bowl in 2006, but the berth at the NM Bowl was awarded to New Mexico, a team that also had 6 wins----but one of their losses was to the POKES. New Mexico lost the bowl game, by the way, but of course sold more tickets by being in-state. You young guys probably didn't even know that, or conveniently forgot.

i remember it well, and i am really enjoying the karma kickback the lobos have been going through the last 2 years for stealing our bowl gamw, serves them right.

 

[classycoug]

WE HAVE SUNBELT / MAC / D1AA TYPE TALENT. THAT IS THE COLD HARD TRUTH. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:willybs: You guys are much better than that. Your schedule this year was horrendous. Anyone playing that schedule might have struggled. TCU, Utah, BSU, Air Force? I mean come on... many teams could have struggled with that.

I think one of these years your talent will step up and your coach will get you to win a ton of ball games. Then everyone who didn't jump off the bandwagon will be very pleased.