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What are we looking for as a success this year?

WilyWapiti

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I know we all want to go to the "Big Dance", but is anything short of that successful?

I know I am as wrapped up in getting to the Dance this year as anybody, but I'm taking a deep breath this week. It is going to be a tough road, and our margin for error is razor thin. Despite that, we are looking at our most successful season in over a decade (by a wide margin).

This is a fun team to watch. We have a couple of all-timers on the team, playing at a high level. We have a reasonable expectation of being in if not winning every game from here on out.

I resolve to not be so results-oriented and just enjoy the ride!

WW
 
While it would be very disappointing, if we were to win the Conference championship but not get an invite to the tourney, I could still see that being a success...bittersweet, but still a success.
 
I think it will be disappointing to not make it to the big dance. I think that is the goal.

I do not think we will get first place in the conference though. I hope we do but I think we will finish 2nd and SDSU will finish first.

Even if we finish 2nd we could still have a really good conference record and win a couple of MWC tournament games or even win the tournament and get into the NCAA tournament.

If we want any hope of winning the regular season we need CSU to beat SDSU this Saturday in FT. Collins. If SDSU wins that game they will be sitting in the drivers seat as I do not see us beating them in San DIego. I could see SDSU finishing with only 2 or 3 at most conference losses so we will need to finish with one less than them if they beat us both times since they would get the tie breaker and one seed.

Obviously finishing first or 2nd in conference only matters if we finish with 3 or less conference losses as anything more than that will make it very hard for an at large bid.

We just have to take it one game at a time.

If we end up in the NIT then i think it will be at least another 2 years before we have a chance at the NCAA again cause I think next year might be some growing pains with so many young guys and no proven big guys down low.

So NCAA or bust in my opinion.
 
WestWYOPoke said:
While it would be very disappointing, if we were to win the Conference championship but not get an invite to the tourney, I could still see that being a success...bittersweet, but still a success.

Conference Championship>NCAA's. If I had a choice I would choose the conference championship no doubt. We haven't had one in any sport since the last one in MBB. Thats embarassing. That being said if we won the conference outright we would get in the tourney.
 
IF the Pokes only make it to the CBI and IF they don't win it, THEN I would consider the season a serious disappointment.
If they make it to the NIT and only get past the first round, I would consider it a so-so season (considering the personnel).
If the make it to the NCAA's, I would consider it a successful season. Period.
 
WilyWapiti said:
I know we all want to go to the "Big Dance", but is anything short of that successful?

I know I am as wrapped up in getting to the Dance this year as anybody, but I'm taking a deep breath this week. It is going to be a tough road, and our margin for error is razor thin. Despite that, we are looking at our most successful season in over a decade (by a wide margin).

This is a fun team to watch. We have a couple of all-timers on the team, playing at a high level. We have a reasonable expectation of being in if not winning every game from here on out.

I resolve to not be so results-oriented and just enjoy the ride!

WW


Good point on enjoying the ride. It's been a long time since we had a team this fun to cheer for. We should enjoy it.

In terms of what makes a year successful, it depends on the situation. This year? NCAA's. Anything less will be a dissapointing final result, although as you point out, it doesn't make the whole experience of the season a disappointment, just the outcome. This year is the year, with a core group of seniors in place, to make a run. Next year, any type of postseason would likely be a success with the young group we will have.
 
Top 25 ranking final month or so of conference play
Sweep CSU
Win out at home
1 sold out game at AA
MWC Championship
MWC Tourney Championship
Sweet 16
Top 15 final ranking
Larry Nance being MWC POY
Josh Adams and Larry Nance being named 1st Team MWC
Larry Nance gets drafted
 
More than 22 wins. The last time we had more than 22 wins, it was Dees first year 26-6. And let's shoot for single digit losses, the last time, 9 the last year we went to the NCAA (22-9).
Let's just keep winning.
Go Pokes! Get the Tourney invite, and strive for wins.
But if we don't get the attention of the committe, and it was out of our hands, then I would be okay with an nit bid.
 
BeaverPoke said:
Top 25 ranking final month or so of conference play
Sweep CSU
Win out at home
1 sold out game at AA
MWC Championship
MWC Tourney Championship
Sweet 16
Top 15 final ranking
Larry Nance being MWC POY
Josh Adams and Larry Nance being named 1st Team MWC
Larry Nance gets drafted

I love it! None of those are out of reach.

I'm just dying for a Larry Shyatt coached Wyoming team to make the NCAA Tournament. They'll go on a run, no doubt.
 
SDSU is going to lose a handful of games. They'll probably lose to CSU on Saturday. The way we defend (and the way they shoot), we'll definitely have a shot to beat them in San Diego. We have too much of a veteran squad to get rattled by road crowds. Plus, SDSU sucks too bad offensively to win out. People like to think that we suck at offense, but we average 10 percentage points higher than SDSU from the field. They are truly awful, but they're good enough on defense to keep them in every game...just like us.

We lost to SDSU, but we already got that game back on them by winning at Fresno. Our win at CSU is going to be gold. It's going to be tough for anyone to win in Ft. Collins. That will be the win that keeps on giving...although we only need it to really give back this Saturday.

Back to the original question - I'll be disappointed if we fall short of a regular season conference championship and/or an NCAA tournament berth. If we win the regular season conference championship, we will undoubtedly get into the NCAA tournament. If we fall short of the conference championship, we can make up for it in my mind by earning either an automatic or at-large berth to the NCAA's. At that point, let Shyatt go to work. We'll shock the world.
 
wyopig said:
SDSU is going to lose a handful of games. They'll probably lose to CSU on Saturday. The way we defend (and the way they shoot), we'll definitely have a shot to beat them in San Diego. We have too much of a veteran squad to get rattled by road crowds. Plus, SDSU sucks too bad offensively to win out. People like to think that we suck at offense, but we average 10 percentage points higher than SDSU from the field. They are truly awful, but they're good enough on defense to keep them in every game...just like us.

We lost to SDSU, but we already got that game back on them by winning at Fresno. Our win at CSU is going to be gold. It's going to be tough for anyone to win in Ft. Collins. That will be the win that keeps on giving...although we only need it to really give back this Saturday.

Back to the original question - I'll be disappointed if we fall short of a regular season conference championship and/or an NCAA tournament berth. If we win the regular season conference championship, we will undoubtedly get into the NCAA tournament. If we fall short of the conference championship, we can make up for it in my mind by earning either an automatic or at-large berth to the NCAA's. At that point, let Shyatt go to work. We'll shock the world.

As much as I don't like SDSU I think they are hitting their stride at just the right time and I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if they won out. The Laramie trip should have been their loss, UNLV looks awful and CSU against us was pretty mediocre we had a lot of TO's in that game and let them back into it late.

SDSU is well coached and they are starting to hit an offensive stride that was missing early in the year. TBH I feel like they hit that stride in Laramie, they shot better in the second half which gave them the win along with turnover city by us.

Now I'm not saying they will win out but they have the defensive potential to do it just as much as we do. Difference is they don't have trouble willing in Vegas and the Pit and we do. It will be interesting to see what they do against CSU.

I believe SDSU is 10-4 over the last 14 years in Moby.
 
Wyo2dal said:
wyopig said:
SDSU is going to lose a handful of games. They'll probably lose to CSU on Saturday. The way we defend (and the way they shoot), we'll definitely have a shot to beat them in San Diego. We have too much of a veteran squad to get rattled by road crowds. Plus, SDSU sucks too bad offensively to win out. People like to think that we suck at offense, but we average 10 percentage points higher than SDSU from the field. They are truly awful, but they're good enough on defense to keep them in every game...just like us.

We lost to SDSU, but we already got that game back on them by winning at Fresno. Our win at CSU is going to be gold. It's going to be tough for anyone to win in Ft. Collins. That will be the win that keeps on giving...although we only need it to really give back this Saturday.

Back to the original question - I'll be disappointed if we fall short of a regular season conference championship and/or an NCAA tournament berth. If we win the regular season conference championship, we will undoubtedly get into the NCAA tournament. If we fall short of the conference championship, we can make up for it in my mind by earning either an automatic or at-large berth to the NCAA's. At that point, let Shyatt go to work. We'll shock the world.

As much as I don't like SDSU I think they are hitting their stride at just the right time and I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if they won out. The Laramie trip should have been their loss, UNLV looks awful and CSU against us was pretty mediocre we had a lot of TO's in that game and let them back into it late.

SDSU is well coached and they are starting to hit an offensive stride that was missing early in the year. TBH I feel like they hit that stride in Laramie, they shot better in the second half which gave them the win along with turnover city by us.

Now I'm not saying they will win out but they have the defensive potential to do it just as much as we do. Difference is they don't have trouble willing in Vegas and the Pit and we do. It will be interesting to see what they do against CSU.

I believe SDSU is 10-4 over the last 14 years in Moby.

I agree SDSU is definitely hitting their stride, but that doesn't mean they will sustain it IMO.

We have the ability to do what we have a couple times this season (7 game win streak) but we also have the ability to do take it the next level and hit our own stride.

I think the game in San Diego may be for the conference championship.

SDSU will hit their stride, definitely, but if they fall out of it, or hit a little rough spot, they could have 2 or even 3 losses pop up real quick. And considering we are only 1/3 the way through MWC play, leaving 12 games left, anything can happen.

Some key games that will keep us alive in the MWC race (and put the hurt on others) are wins at Utah State, wins vs. CSU, the games @ NM and @ UNLV.

So many must wins to get the championship.
 
Wyo2dal said:
wyopig said:
SDSU is going to lose a handful of games. They'll probably lose to CSU on Saturday. The way we defend (and the way they shoot), we'll definitely have a shot to beat them in San Diego. We have too much of a veteran squad to get rattled by road crowds. Plus, SDSU sucks too bad offensively to win out. People like to think that we suck at offense, but we average 10 percentage points higher than SDSU from the field. They are truly awful, but they're good enough on defense to keep them in every game...just like us.

We lost to SDSU, but we already got that game back on them by winning at Fresno. Our win at CSU is going to be gold. It's going to be tough for anyone to win in Ft. Collins. That will be the win that keeps on giving...although we only need it to really give back this Saturday.

Back to the original question - I'll be disappointed if we fall short of a regular season conference championship and/or an NCAA tournament berth. If we win the regular season conference championship, we will undoubtedly get into the NCAA tournament. If we fall short of the conference championship, we can make up for it in my mind by earning either an automatic or at-large berth to the NCAA's. At that point, let Shyatt go to work. We'll shock the world.

As much as I don't like SDSU I think they are hitting their stride at just the right time and I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if they won out. The Laramie trip should have been their loss, UNLV looks awful and CSU against us was pretty mediocre we had a lot of TO's in that game and let them back into it late.

SDSU is well coached and they are starting to hit an offensive stride that was missing early in the year. TBH I feel like they hit that stride in Laramie, they shot better in the second half which gave them the win along with turnover city by us.

Now I'm not saying they will win out but they have the defensive potential to do it just as much as we do. Difference is they don't have trouble willing in Vegas and the Pit and we do. It will be interesting to see what they do against CSU.

I believe SDSU is 10-4 over the last 14 years in Moby.

I wouldn't say that we have "trouble" winning at UNLV and New Mexico...we just haven't had the talent to get it done the past few years. I wouldn't call either game a slam dunk for Wyoming, but I honestly expect wins in both of them.

The only game that I wouldn't say that I expect Wyoming to win is the game at SDSU, but I wouldn't be shocked if we did either. I can reasonably hope for a win there, and it could very well happen. I'm not necessarily calling for us to win all of our games, but I will go into every game but one absolutely expecting a win.

I'm not going to disagree that SDSU is playing pretty well right now, but just because they've shot well (by their standards) in 2 of their last 3 games, I wouldn't say they have caught their stride. They almost lost at home to a helpless UNLV team. Not saying that we didn't, but people are acting like SDSU is Kentucky. I'm happy they're hot right now, as oftentimes teams get hot for a few games and cool down. Frankly, CSU is hotter than hell right now. They've played bad teams, but they've crushed them like no other.

Here's the biggest reason that I think Wyoming is going to ultimately win the conference: We're the best road team in the MWC because we're the most veteran team in the MWC. We have 2 road wins in conference play already that very few teams will pick up. Maybe nobody else. People forget that after how Fresno played in conference play last year, they were expected to be contenders, or at the very least major spoilers, this year. They didn't do too well in the non-conference portion of their schedule, but they also didn't have Guerreo. They're certainly fulfilling expectations since conference play started.
 
wyopig said:
Wyo2dal said:
wyopig said:
SDSU is going to lose a handful of games. They'll probably lose to CSU on Saturday. The way we defend (and the way they shoot), we'll definitely have a shot to beat them in San Diego. We have too much of a veteran squad to get rattled by road crowds. Plus, SDSU sucks too bad offensively to win out. People like to think that we suck at offense, but we average 10 percentage points higher than SDSU from the field. They are truly awful, but they're good enough on defense to keep them in every game...just like us.

We lost to SDSU, but we already got that game back on them by winning at Fresno. Our win at CSU is going to be gold. It's going to be tough for anyone to win in Ft. Collins. That will be the win that keeps on giving...although we only need it to really give back this Saturday.

Back to the original question - I'll be disappointed if we fall short of a regular season conference championship and/or an NCAA tournament berth. If we win the regular season conference championship, we will undoubtedly get into the NCAA tournament. If we fall short of the conference championship, we can make up for it in my mind by earning either an automatic or at-large berth to the NCAA's. At that point, let Shyatt go to work. We'll shock the world.

As much as I don't like SDSU I think they are hitting their stride at just the right time and I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if they won out. The Laramie trip should have been their loss, UNLV looks awful and CSU against us was pretty mediocre we had a lot of TO's in that game and let them back into it late.

SDSU is well coached and they are starting to hit an offensive stride that was missing early in the year. TBH I feel like they hit that stride in Laramie, they shot better in the second half which gave them the win along with turnover city by us.

Now I'm not saying they will win out but they have the defensive potential to do it just as much as we do. Difference is they don't have trouble willing in Vegas and the Pit and we do. It will be interesting to see what they do against CSU.

I believe SDSU is 10-4 over the last 14 years in Moby.

I wouldn't say that we have "trouble" winning at UNLV and New Mexico...we just haven't had the talent to get it done the past few years. I wouldn't call either game a slam dunk for Wyoming, but I honestly expect wins in both of them.

The only game that I wouldn't say that I expect Wyoming to win is the game at SDSU, but I wouldn't be shocked if we did either. I can reasonably hope for a win there, and it could very well happen. I'm not necessarily calling for us to win all of our games, but I will go into every game but one absolutely expecting a win.

I'm not going to disagree that SDSU is playing pretty well right now, but just because they've shot well (by their standards) in 2 of their last 3 games, I wouldn't say they have caught their stride. They almost lost at home to a helpless UNLV team. Not saying that we didn't, but people are acting like SDSU is Kentucky. I'm happy they're hot right now, as oftentimes teams get hot for a few games and cool down. Frankly, CSU is hotter than hell right now. They've played bad teams, but they've crushed them like no other.

Here's the biggest reason that I think Wyoming is going to ultimately win the conference: We're the best road team in the MWC because we're the most veteran team in the MWC. We have 2 road wins in conference play already that very few teams will pick up. Maybe nobody else. People forget that after how Fresno played in conference play last year, they were expected to be contenders, or at the very least major spoilers, this year. They didn't do too well in the non-conference portion of their schedule, but they also didn't have Guerreo. They're certainly fulfilling expectations since conference play started.

And as for winnable road games remaining we have Air Force and Nevada that can and should be won (I imagine Wyo will have a lot of fans at Clune Arena for the AFA game as it is on a Saturday). Games next level up are @ USU, @NM, and @ UNLV, then obviously the hardest game of the season @SDSU.
 
WilyWapiti said:
I know we all want to go to the "Big Dance", but is anything short of that successful?

I know I am as wrapped up in getting to the Dance this year as anybody, but I'm taking a deep breath this week. It is going to be a tough road, and our margin for error is razor thin. Despite that, we are looking at our most successful season in over a decade (by a wide margin).

This is a fun team to watch. We have a couple of all-timers on the team, playing at a high level. We have a reasonable expectation of being in if not winning every game from here on out.

I resolve to not be so results-oriented and just enjoy the ride!

WW
Absolutely not. I think the team and coaches would agree.

This is the best team we've had since 2002. In my opinion, if we don't win a game in the tournament this year will be viewed as another year that could have been.
 
Am I the only one worried for @USU? They have to be pretty good it seems like, 4-2 in conference with a win at Boise. Pretty stout
 
LanderPoke said:
Am I the only one worried for @USU? They have to be pretty good it seems like, 4-2 in conference with a win at Boise. Pretty stout

Hell no you're not the only one worried.

Their student section is one of the loudest and most organized student sections not only in the MWC but all of college basketball.

The Aggies are playing well. The game is at the Spectrum. Longtime Aggies faithful are probably cheering extra hard to send Stew Morrill out with a successful season this year as he is retiring. They are not a senior lead team like we are though. Their two leading scorers and rebounders (same 2 for both) are a sophomore and freshman.

They are talented, well coached, they have finally been in the MWC for a minute or two now so teams like Wyo and NM and CSU are not new and unknown.

They are 7-3 in Logan right now. But I think because their lack of heavily contributing seniors, they are going to drop some more home games than they should.

We will have our chance to go in there and win but IMO it is the 2nd hardest remaining home game behind the Aztecs game.
 
LanderPoke said:
Am I the only one worried for @USU? They have to be pretty good it seems like, 4-2 in conference with a win at Boise. Pretty stout

I'm worried about every game that we "shouldn't" lose. Every one. I feel like I can relax for the games where a win would be huge, but a loss wouldn't be crushing (i.e. @SDSU, @CSU, etc.).

I think the game at Utah State is going to be difficult the same way that the game at Fresno was difficult. It's a tough road game against a good home team that we should win if we're really title contenders. I'm going to be terrified for that game, but no more than I have been for about every other game we've played so far except for the home game against SDSU or the road game at CSU. The game at CSU is one that a conference champion wins. Conference champions beat contenders on the road. SDSU did it to us, so we need CSU to knock them off this weekend.

The game at SDSU may determine the conference championship, and I kinda hope it does. I'd like the pressure to be piled on for that game. I think we would handle it better than SDSU, and I have a feeling that they may be a little bit comfortable having the game at home. I'm worried about our guys feeling the same way at home against CSU.
 
wyopig said:
LanderPoke said:
Am I the only one worried for @USU? They have to be pretty good it seems like, 4-2 in conference with a win at Boise. Pretty stout

I'm worried about every game that we "shouldn't" lose. Every one. I feel like I can relax for the games where a win would be huge, but a loss wouldn't be crushing (i.e. @SDSU, @CSU, etc.).

I think the game at Utah State is going to be difficult the same way that the game at Fresno was difficult. It's a tough road game against a good home team that we should win if we're really title contenders. I'm going to be terrified for that game, but no more than I have been for about every other game we've played so far except for the home game against SDSU or the road game at CSU. The game at CSU is one that a conference champion wins. Conference champions beat contenders on the road. SDSU did it to us, so we need CSU to knock them off this weekend.

The game at SDSU may determine the conference championship, and I kinda hope it does. I'd like the pressure to be piled on for that game. I think we would handle it better than SDSU, and I have a feeling that they may be a little bit comfortable having the game at home. I'm worried about our guys feeling the same way at home against CSU.

I think the difference between this team and years past is that we are not dropping the games we shouldn't be. With the exception of the Cal game, but that was not conference play so I can let it slide.

We have had the history of losing to AFA at home. Losing to Fresno on the road. There is the losses to Nevada. And never winning in Foco.

So far this season, we have gone to FoCo and won. Beat Fresno on the road. Came back against SJSU and got that win. We still have 1 game against AFA, 2 against Nevada, 1 against SJSU, and 1 against Fresno that we 'shouldn't' lose. Those games still scare me but I think the team has turned that corner this season. Not only have we turned it, but we can take it to the next level by winning games at USU and UNLV.
 
BeaverPoke said:
wyopig said:
LanderPoke said:
Am I the only one worried for @USU? They have to be pretty good it seems like, 4-2 in conference with a win at Boise. Pretty stout

I'm worried about every game that we "shouldn't" lose. Every one. I feel like I can relax for the games where a win would be huge, but a loss wouldn't be crushing (i.e. @SDSU, @CSU, etc.).

I think the game at Utah State is going to be difficult the same way that the game at Fresno was difficult. It's a tough road game against a good home team that we should win if we're really title contenders. I'm going to be terrified for that game, but no more than I have been for about every other game we've played so far except for the home game against SDSU or the road game at CSU. The game at CSU is one that a conference champion wins. Conference champions beat contenders on the road. SDSU did it to us, so we need CSU to knock them off this weekend.

The game at SDSU may determine the conference championship, and I kinda hope it does. I'd like the pressure to be piled on for that game. I think we would handle it better than SDSU, and I have a feeling that they may be a little bit comfortable having the game at home. I'm worried about our guys feeling the same way at home against CSU.

I think the difference between this team and years past is that we are not dropping the games we shouldn't be. With the exception of the Cal game, but that was not conference play so I can let it slide.

We have had the history of losing to AFA at home. Losing to Fresno on the road. There is the losses to Nevada. And never winning in Foco.

So far this season, we have gone to FoCo and won. Beat Fresno on the road. Came back against SJSU and got that win. We still have 1 game against AFA, 2 against Nevada, 1 against SJSU, and 1 against Fresno that we 'shouldn't' lose. Those games still scare me but I think the team has turned that corner this season. Not only have we turned it, but we can take it to the next level by winning games at USU and UNLV.

Truthfully, the bad or hard to swallow losses to Cal and SMU have really helped us gut out the tough road games now. This senior group has learned from the shortcomings and have left everything on the court. Its refreshing after the past couple years...
 

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