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UNLV Hiring Dan Mullen

Agree with you 100%. Amazing what you can do when you actually hold a national search. Not to say Wyoming could have got or would have been interested in Mullen. As you stated I guarantee you that there were numerous successful coaches who fit the Wyoming profile who would have been interested in taking over a 9 win program.

Sawvel can turn this around but from what I've seen this year in his decision making and talent evaluation. It will be an uphill climb.

This Tom Burman contract situation is quite interesting. He basically has 6 months left and the only people talking about it are us here at WyoNation. Why is our longtime AD a lame duck? Either extend him or fire him, my guess is he will announce his retirement either in Jan or after the basketball season. Then the fate of Sawvel will be in the hands of a new AD. Hopefully this is an outside hire but I could see UW doing another internal promotion.

Interesting times are ahead!
 
I think there are a couple schools of thought here.

One is that Burman and his superiors are not capable of putting together a plan to get a high profile coach that would be attractive to schools at or slightly higher than our level....so they just keep trying to find overlooked or upcoming coaches that could turn into something.

The other theory is that the group of coaches that are widely considered to be attractive candidates for positions at Wyoming's level or slightly higher are not interested. They used to rank order college coaching positions by how attractive it would be to coach there...Wyoming was never very high on those lists even among our "peers".

Now, either of those explanations, in the absence of the other one, is probably enough to mean that we are screwed. In reality...it's probably a little or a lot of both.
 
THAT is how you AD. You go from losing Odom, to hiring another spectacular coach with Mullen. No in-staff promotion, no FCS promotion, you go out and get the best available fit that works for your vision and budget. Why can't UW find it's Erick Harper, and rid ourselves of this 20 year disaster?!?!
It's really not a hard formula. University of Wyoming seems incredibly corrupt and incompetent by comparison.
 
Hopefully Burman will retire and an outside search for an AD will bring in new blood and a complete review of entire athletic department including coaching staffs.
 
That simply cannot happen. That is waiving the white surrender flag to athletics completely.
It wouldn't surprise me if that's what ultimately happens. The resources Wyoming has relative to other schools in our conference is miniscule. I know a lot folks hate Jeff Linder. But he turned things around here pretty fast. And then NIL happened. If Ike didn't leave, the entire trajectory of our program would have been different. And if we don't pay these kids hundreds of thousands of dollars, they are not coming here. And if they develop, they aren't staying either.
 
THAT is how you AD. You go from losing Odom, to hiring another spectacular coach with Mullen. No in-staff promotion, no FCS promotion, you go out and get the best available fit that works for your vision and budget. Why can't UW find it's Erick Harper, and rid ourselves of this 20 year disaster?!?!
Hard to argue. UNLV hit a home run. If only UW could think that way.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if that's what ultimately happens. The resources Wyoming has relative to other schools in our conference is miniscule. I know a lot folks hate Jeff Linder. But he turned things around here pretty fast. And then NIL happened. If Ike didn't leave, the entire trajectory of our program would have been different. And if we don't pay these kids hundreds of thousands of dollars, they are not coming here. And if they develop, they aren't staying either.
I disagree on the resources, the Athletic Department budget is like $51 million very comparable to what the rest of the conference has. Additionally, they just threw another $80 million into stadium upgraades. We have a tremendous basketball facility and the MPG is to notch also. Plus indoor football facility is over the top as well. Somebody else posted the NIL $$$$ and surprisingly Wyoming was right in the middle of the pack on that as well. You are absolutely correct on Linder. Linder was frustrated at the Lack of NIL $$$ for Graham Ike and Maldonado. Wyoming completely missed the boat on the NIL they had that thing where you clicked on the athletes picture and then made a donation for $12. Burman (and UW) were so completely behind on the NIL that it cost him a rising basketball program. I don't know that they could have kept Ike, but at least had something. HOnestly, they are still behind. The recent donation by the Shwab family wasn't to an NIL collective, but more money for the Cowboy Joe Club. WHy? Do we need to pay Sawvel more $$$. THat money should just be going to the athletes in the modern world.
 
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I disagree on the resources, the Athletic Department budget is like $51 million very comparable to what the rest of the conference has. Additionally, they just threw another $80 million into stadium upgraades. We have a tremendous basketball facility and the MPG is to notch also. Plus indoor football facility is over the top as well. Somebody else posted the NIL $$$$ and surprisingly Wyoming was right in the middle of the pack on that as well. You are absolutely correct on Linder. Linder was frustrated at the Lack of NIL $$$ for Graham Ike and Maldonado. Wyoming completely missed the boat on the NIL they had that thing where you clicked on the athletes picture and then made a donation for $12. Burman (and UW) were so completely behind on the NIL that it cost him a rising basketball program. I don't know that they could have kept Ike, but at least had something. HOnestly, they are still behind. The recent donation by the Shwab family wasn't to an NIL collective, but more money for the Cowboy Joe Club. WHy? Do we need to pay Sawvel more $$$. THat money should just be going to the athletes in the modern world.
Are you really criticizing how a donor chooses to spend their money? What if they want their money to go to fund scholarships (which is what a lot of CJC money goes to)?What if they want their money to go to something that lasts longer than a couple years such as a facility improvement?

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - - my NIL donations will continue to be $0. I’m happy to help with scholarship costs. I’m not here to attract 18 year olds getting paid more than my household so the 18 year old can have a fancy car that my wife and I only dream of. That’s fine if others want to throw their hard earned money at that.
 
Are you really criticizing how a donor chooses to spend their money? What if they want their money to go to fund scholarships (which is what a lot of CJC money goes to)?What if they want their money to go to something that lasts longer than a couple years such as a facility improvement?

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - - my NIL donations will continue to be $0. I’m happy to help with scholarship costs. I’m not here to attract 18 year olds getting paid more than my household so the 18 year old can have a fancy car that my wife and I only dream of. That’s fine if others want to throw their hard earned money at that.
That's not what this is anymore. Schools are paying kids if UW doesn't then they won't be any good. Imagine if they could have matched Gonzaga offer for Ike? Think things wouldn't have been different for the basketball program? Just by having Ike you would get better players that just wanted to play with him.

I'm not giving any money for the NIL either, but if UW wants to win. . .
 
That's not what this is anymore. Schools are paying kids if UW doesn't then they won't be any good. Imagine if they could have matched Gonzaga offer for Ike? Think things wouldn't have been different for the basketball program? Just by having Ike you would get better players that just wanted to play with him.

I'm not giving any money for the NIL either, but if UW wants to win. . .
At some point, I believe that integrity and rationality should prevail over an insatiable appetite to win. The legislature will answer this question with Burman’s emergency request for an additional 1 time 1.5 million athletic department funding in a non-budget year.

If I was in the legislature, I’d be a hard no. But Burman and the other detached University folks should thank Gordon for saving them from a lot of embarrassment. Burman’s original plan was to take this ‘emergency’ request for an additional annual $3 million per year to pay players. Gordon talked them off that cliff. Either way, I doubt the freedom caucus will support this and I wouldn’t either personally.
 
Are you really criticizing how a donor chooses to spend their money? What if they want their money to go to fund scholarships (which is what a lot of CJC money goes to)?What if they want their money to go to something that lasts longer than a couple years such as a facility improvement?

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - - my NIL donations will continue to be $0. I’m happy to help with scholarship costs. I’m not here to attract 18 year olds getting paid more than my household so the 18 year old can have a fancy car that my wife and I only dream of. That’s fine if others want to throw their hard earned money at that.
I have sympathy and somewhat share your sentiments. I met a BYU grad in a Vegas sportsbook a few weeks ago. He claimed to be the uncle of Nico Lamaleava. He said Tennessee paid Nico 7 million in NIL. I really didn't know if he was on the level or not. I looked it up later and it appears the deal is actually 8 million. This is no longer college sports. For the bigger schools with rich boosters, it probably never was.
Perhaps we can play this game on a much smaller scale to be competitive in our own league. But players who play for cash will never stay if the cash is bigger somewhere else. This puts the coaches in an impossible situation. Ike sure got healthy when he got to Gonzaga. If, as a fan, you know your own players are just one better offer from leaving your school, can you really get emotionally invested in the results? I find myself caring less and less.
 
But players who play for cash will never stay if the cash is bigger somewhere else. This puts the coaches in an impossible situation. Ike sure got healthy when he got to Gonzaga. If, as a fan, you know your own players are just one better offer from leaving your school, can you really get emotionally invested in the results? I find myself caring less and less.
I’m with you. For those that say what if Ike would have stayed, I say that’s not the player I really care to root for. Give me the player who is there for their teammates, who is there for the love of the game, who will leave it on the court, who is their to be a member of the college community and get an education.

Before leaving, Ike apparently made sure to cash his NIL check for a season which he chose not to play at Wyoming when otherwise seemingly healthy at the end of the season. He sure as hell showed up to the Boys and Girls Club to fulfill his requirement to get that NIL money 2 days before he announced he was leaving.
 
At some point, I believe that integrity and rationality should prevail over an insatiable appetite to win. The legislature will answer this question with Burman’s emergency request for an additional 1 time 1.5 million athletic department funding in a non-budget year.

If I was in the legislature, I’d be a hard no. But Burman and the other detached University folks should thank Gordon for saving them from a lot of embarrassment. Burman’s original plan was to take this ‘emergency’ request for an additional annual $3 million per year to pay players. Gordon talked them off that cliff. Either way, I doubt the freedom caucus will support this and I wouldn’t either personally.
"detached University folks" is exactly correct. These people are so far removed from business or the private sector. Our AD making $551k a year for completely arbitrary decision making. I don't support most of the Freedom Caucus stuff, but optomistic they will reign in the nutty spending at UW.
 
I still don't fully understand why these NIL dollars aren't tied to some sort of contract that obligates the athlete to remain at the university for a certain period of time.

I don't have a problem at all with college athletes being paid significant money. But it baffles me that there are so many people willing to throw around millions of dollars without protecting their investment. How many times do fans/donors/NIL collectives need to be burned before they learn their lesson?
 
I still don't fully understand why these NIL dollars aren't tied to some sort of contract that obligates the athlete to remain at the university for a certain period of time.

I don't have a problem at all with college athletes being paid significant money. But it baffles me that there are so many people willing to throw around millions of dollars without protecting their investment. How many times do fans/donors/NIL collectives need to be burned before they learn their lesson?
It’s not actually that simple IMO.

There are public policy reasons why such contracts really couldn’t force an athlete to stay at any particular university. Contract provisions couldn’t be enforced to obligate a player to stay anywhere or refrain from going somewhere else (these non-compete arrangements are nearly unanimously struck down in the employment world).

I would think such contracts will start having buyout clauses/liquidated damages provisions similar to coaching contracts. I.e if you leave early you owe a liquidated damages penalty to pay back a sum or a portion of previous money received. However, liquidated damages provisions come with additional judicial scrutiny that they can only be enforced if they are somewhat of a reasonable forecast of the harm suffered. How would you even be able to quantify the harm? Otherwise - the court will look at it simply as a ‘divisible contract.’ The court will say the player agreed to 4 years for $10 million. They fulfilled 1 year of the contract so they get 1 year’s worth of compensation or $2.5 million. Courts will most of the time take the easy way out and probably just find it to be a divisible contract is my guess.
 
There is so much to say about NIL...It's hard to address much of it and not be accused of being too wordy

Any NIL take that heaps moral opprobrium on athletes is either misinformed or missing the point. If the system requires moral supermen to resist bad incentives...it's a bad system that will result in bad outcomes. Guys like Graham Ike and other high end athletes are the subject of intense judgement that pro athletes from the '70s and '80s would recognize. Look at press from those eras....it's full of moral language about "loyalty" that thankfully got discarded. Now that professionalism is rearing it's head (officially) in the college ranks we are getting something similar. The same impulses that wrongly painted athletes as "owing" something to their clubs back then is at play here as well.

Bladerunnr made a comment in reference to "players who play for cash" that was a good observation. The reality is, that once you are not playing at your local middle school, youth league, adult rec league, or Wyoming level high schools, everybody is playing for cash...or some version of it. Maybe a better way to say it is...nobody in college or professional athletics, if you took away the other benefits, would be doing what they are doing or making the sacrifices they are making merely for "the love of the game".
 
Bladerunnr made a comment in reference to "players who play for cash" that was a good observation. The reality is, that once you are not playing at your local middle school, youth league, adult rec league, or Wyoming level high schools, everybody is playing for cash...or some version of it. Maybe a better way to say it is...nobody in college or professional athletics, if you took away the other benefits, would be doing what they are doing or making the sacrifices they are making merely for "the love of the game".
I take it you’ve not attended a Division 2 or Division 3 college contest. I’d hardly call the ‘free’ uniform and small bit of swag most of those athletes get as compensation and it would be hard to argue they are competing for anything but ‘the love of the game.’
 

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