The Team and Coach

[Wyo2dal]

Is the problem, You can single out players bad attitudes and bad play all you want. Every player on the team has had great nights and had awful nights. It all comes down to being coached properly, Players that aren't coached don't develop or they pickup bad habits and keep them.

If you think just Luster being gone, or just Jackson being gone or just anyone being gone would have made the Cowboys any stronger this season you are absolutely insane. Personally I don't care who you do or don't like on a personal level or anything else but the season is over and no one has any right to sit around bad mouthing or bashing the players on these forums or any other forums and I hope people respect the individual effort more then soloing people out and bashing them.

 

[laxwyo]

Is the problem, You can single out players bad attitudes and bad play all you want. Every player on the team has had great nights and had awful nights. It all comes down to being coached properly, Players that aren't coached don't develop or they pickup bad habits and keep them.

If you think just Luster being gone, or just Jackson being gone or just anyone being gone would have made the Cowboys any stronger this season you are absolutely insane. Personally I don't care who you do or don't like on a personal level or anything else but the season is over and no one has any right to sit around bad mouthing or bashing the players on these forums or any other forums and I hope people respect the individual effort more then soloing people out and bashing them.

So, you can't single out a bad player? These players aren't giving charity to UW, they are receiving an education, one that I am still paying for. We can single out players who aren't performing or trying. If a guy can lose an academic scholarship for lack of effort and results, we should be able to critique our bball team.

"respect the individual effort"? That's what some are bashing Dez for and I personally agree. We didn't give him a scholarship to go out there and throw balls away and stand around while the guy scores a layup. Sure it might change with a real coach, but it also could be Dez and his personality.

I personally was happy to see how the team came together after HS was fired. I saw something that had been missing. The only player that didn't respond was Des. He lollygagged on offense. He lollygagged on defense. He lollygagged off the floor. Do you know what that makes him? .........a lollygagger! Sorry, Bulldurham jumped into my head. I really hope the new coach can get this kid going. He has talent along with many of the other guys. I hope they all succeed. I would like to see a better effort. Hopefully its all just a coaching problem.

 

[Adv8RU12]

Whatever. Anyway the nightmare is over for this year. I expect next year will just be an unpleasant dream.

 

[Wyo2dal]

Is the problem, You can single out players bad attitudes and bad play all you want. Every player on the team has had great nights and had awful nights. It all comes down to being coached properly, Players that aren't coached don't develop or they pickup bad habits and keep them.

If you think just Luster being gone, or just Jackson being gone or just anyone being gone would have made the Cowboys any stronger this season you are absolutely insane. Personally I don't care who you do or don't like on a personal level or anything else but the season is over and no one has any right to sit around bad mouthing or bashing the players on these forums or any other forums and I hope people respect the individual effort more then soloing people out and bashing them.

So, you can't single out a bad player? These players aren't giving charity to UW, they are receiving an education, one that I am still paying for. We can single out players who aren't performing or trying. If a guy can lose an academic scholarship for lack of effort and results, we should be able to critique our bball team.

"respect the individual effort"? That's what some are bashing Dez for and I personally agree. We didn't give him a scholarship to go out there and throw balls away and stand around while the guy scores a layup. Sure it might change with a real coach, but it also could be Dez and his personality.

I personally was happy to see how the team came together after HS was fired. I saw something that had been missing. The only player that didn't respond was Des. He lollygagged on offense. He lollygagged on defense. He lollygagged off the floor. Do you know what that makes him? .........a lollygagger! Sorry, Bulldurham jumped into my head. I really hope the new coach can get this kid going. He has talent along with many of the other guys. I hope they all succeed. I would like to see a better effort. Hopefully its all just a coaching problem.

Seems as you didn't read the post at all I said " You can single out players bad attitudes and bad play all you want." but there is no reason to take it beyond that and bash them on the forums. If you have a problem with them that is perfectly fine but it started on the Football forum at the end of the season I'd personally rather not see it here again.

 

[laxwyo]

So how do you single them out, if not on a forum? You act like we are sending threatening letters to their family or something.

 

[WYCowboy]

I almost feel sorry for the new coach of the Cowboys because it seems the only player who cares about the team he plays for is Adam. About the only way I know of to get the players to care about the team they play on is to get the fans and students excited about Cowboy basketball. That is up to the administration of the university and athletic departments and even the legislature and govenor to show how much they care about the teams of the University of Wyoming that showcase and represent the State of Wyoming. Where is the pride for this state. What do you think people from outside of the State of Wyoming think when they constantly see very poor performing teams who represent the State of Wyoming and don't appear to care about it. Regardless of what some misguided administrators think, a school's athletic teams are the most visible advertisement a school or state can have. With the kind of money these people are being paid, they need to be held to their responsibility to get their job done. You don't keep an employee that is not doing his job or a financial advisor that keeps giving you bad advice. Sorry about the rant.

 

[kansasCowboy]

All, I can say is...MAN! If I was coaching these kids!!! There would be no Desmar badgering refs and not getting back to defend a wide open lay up. There would be no Freaking 40 or 50% free throw nights. There would be no being out rebounded every stinking game and there would be no half ass play or lackadaisical passes. Why?
1. If Dez even tried to start an attitude his butt would be on the bench and he wouldn't get back in until it changed. Even if he doesn't play a few games. (5 times this year I watched him get the ball stolen from him, and there was no foul Dez. And then he complains to the ref while the guy who stole the ball goes down the court for an uncontested shot!) I want a winning attitude on the court, complainers truly go nowhere in life. I don't care if he is the leading scorer on the team. His butt sits until his attitude changes.
2. This team would shoot 100 free throws a night. They miss a shot, they run a section of the arena stairs, then shoot till they make 100. As a team, if they shot in a game below 70% the whole team runs the entire arena stairs to start practice. If as an individual you shoot below 80% in a game, you run as many stair isles as you missed in the game! Then you practice, then you shoot 100 free throws again at the end of the night. They'll begin to understand that you don'y miss a wide open free shot! (I did this with my little league girls team. They hated me, but they were the best free throw shooting team in the league.) These guys are in college now. They get full freaking rides to play basketball. They will respect all aspects of the game.
3. There will be boxing out. If they did it. Thiam, Waddell and even M'Baye would each be averaging 8 to 10 or more rebounds a game! No more just watching the shot, they will be taught to see the ball go up, and they automatically find an opponent to box out! i wouldn't care if the ball even bounced on the damn floor, before we picked it up. No more second chance points for our opponents!
4. There would actually be an offense. Not Wyo's favorite play, the "Oh, Shit " play. Where Luster gets a high screen and drives into three defenders and jumps in the air only to say, "Oh, Shit!" and just throws the ball hoping we come away with the stupid thing.
There would be no more spread the floor and let Dez or anyone else for that matter drive to the hoop with three or four defenders on him to only watch him try and throw up a prayer. God does answer "No" to certain prayers, so quit asking for the same thing and try something else. Like running an Offense that, I don't know...Get's you open shots.
5. If these kids want to play like their in Jr. High and H.S. then they will start there season being coached like they are. Fundamentals, until they get the Freaking picture! And if they are embarrassed by it, good! Maybe they will grow up and understand they are playing college basketball now! We're going to line up and learn how to Freaking pass the ball. Learn how to dribble. Learn that the backboard is still a good thing to use! Learn to not get yourself trapped in a corner and burn one of MY timeouts, because you can't think common sense on the court. And most of all. Stay between your man and the basket! In an actual defensive stance mind you. and when your opponent shoots the ball, to actually get your hand in there face to contest the shot, not just turn and watch to see if it goes in.
If any coach would do this at Wyoming, we would win. If you play basketball right, you win and if you lose, you died trying to win(no blowouts!) There is such a thing as a legitimate loss, where you do everything humanly possible to win as a team and you just can't come away with it. Wyoming can be a consistent winner,we just need a coach to stress this team to actually play "basketball" and not "street ball."

 

[Landiegopoke]

All, I can say is...MAN! If I was coaching these kids!!! There would be no Desmar badgering refs and not getting back to defend a wide open lay up. There would be no Freaking 40 or 50% free throw nights. There would be no being out rebounded every stinking game and there would be no half ass play or lackadaisical passes. Why?
1. If Dez even tried to start an attitude his butt would be on the bench and he wouldn't get back in until it changed. Even if he doesn't play a few games. (5 times this year I watched him get the ball stolen from him, and there was no foul Dez. And then he complains to the ref while the guy who stole the ball goes down the court for an uncontested shot!) I want a winning attitude on the court, complainers truly go nowhere in life. I don't care if he is the leading scorer on the team. His butt sits until his attitude changes.
2. This team would shoot 100 free throws a night. They miss a shot, they run a section of the arena stairs, then shoot till they make 100. As a team, if they shot in a game below 70% the whole team runs the entire arena stairs to start practice. If as an individual you shoot below 80% in a game, you run as many stair isles as you missed in the game! Then you practice, then you shoot 100 free throws again at the end of the night. They'll begin to understand that you don'y miss a wide open free shot! (I did this with my little league girls team. They hated me, but they were the best free throw shooting team in the league.) These guys are in college now. They get full freaking rides to play basketball. They will respect all aspects of the game.
3. There will be boxing out. If they did it. Thiam, Waddell and even M'Baye would each be averaging 8 to 10 or more rebounds a game! No more just watching the shot, they will be taught to see the ball go up, and they automatically find an opponent to box out! i wouldn't care if the ball even bounced on the damn floor, before we picked it up. No more second chance points for our opponents!
4. There would actually be an offense. Not Wyo's favorite play, the "Oh, s##t " play. Where Luster gets a high screen and drives into three defenders and jumps in the air only to say, "Oh, s##t!" and just throws the ball hoping we come away with the stupid thing.
There would be no more spread the floor and let Dez or anyone else for that matter drive to the hoop with three or four defenders on him to only watch him try and throw up a prayer. God does answer "No" to certain prayers, so quit asking for the same thing and try something else. Like running an Offense that, I don't know...Get's you open shots.
5. If these kids want to play like their in Jr. High and H.S. then they will start there season being coached like they are. Fundamentals, until they get the Freaking picture! And if they are embarrassed by it, good! Maybe they will grow up and understand they are playing college basketball now! We're going to line up and learn how to Freaking pass the ball. Learn how to dribble. Learn that the backboard is still a good thing to use! Learn to not get yourself trapped in a corner and burn one of MY timeouts, because you can't think common sense on the court. And most of all. Stay between your man and the basket! In an actual defensive stance mind you. and when your opponent shoots the ball, to actually get your hand in there face to contest the shot, not just turn and watch to see if it goes in.
If any coach would do this at Wyoming, we would win. If you play basketball right, you win and if you lose, you died trying to win(no blowouts!) There is such a thing as a legitimate loss, where you do everything humanly possible to win as a team and you just can't come away with it. Wyoming can be a consistent winner,we just need a coach to stress this team to actually play "basketball" and not "street ball."

Wow I wouldn't want to be a collage player and have to do all that, now I'm going to go watch my Hoosiers DVD

 

[kansasCowboy]

All it does is build a teams cohesive. It's proven with programs like Duke, Syracuse, even Kansas. Consistent winners. Why? Because they play fundamental basketball. There are rarely successful teams out there that play one on one basketball.
Our players play like, "Man, I've finally made it! I'm a college basketball player at the top level." But they put forth very little effort (and it's shown by how they play) to be a winning team. If they don't like it, they can move on somewhere else, the program still remains steadfast. More players will come. These kids play like they are the program, and their not. They need to play to be part of the program. A cohesive. The more they learn to play as a cohesive, the better they play as a unit. The better they play as a unit, the more you win. it's that simple. Yet most coaches and players seem to fade from this mindset thinking there is a better way and rarely achieve success.

 

[Wyokie]

Our players play like, "Man, I've finally made it! I'm a college basketball player at the top level." But they put forth very little effort (and it's shown by how they play) to be a winning team. If they don't like it, they can move on somewhere else, the program still remains steadfast. More players will come. These kids play like they are the program, and their not.

There's a name to what you're talking about. It's called the LaBron James Effect.