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The AAC

Totally worth it... And even the pros have outliers? But I bet if I did have a composite list and presented it to you, the first thing you would cling to would be a possible outlier and use it to tell me how unintelligent I was. I know how you function. I deal with guys like you at work all the time. They have to prove their right, and if something comes up that could actually harm that theory... Attack the source! Don't actually use reason...

Maybe why you won't actually answer the questions? ;)

But hey, here comes another long drawn out reason as to why I'm lame.

And

GO!
 
kansasCowboy said:
Totally worth it... And even the pros have outliers? But I bet if I did have a composite list and presented it to you, the first thing you would cling to would be a possible outlier and use it to tell me how unintelligent I was. I know how you function. I deal with guys like you at work all the time. They have to prove their right, and if something comes up that could actually harm that theory... Attack the source! Don't actually use reason...

Maybe why you won't actually answer the questions? ;)

But hey, here comes another long drawn out reason as to why I'm lame.

And

GO!
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Apparently this is above your intellect, but each of the models has a few outliers. I even pointed out one as well.

I don't get what you think I'm avoiding. Either way, keep patting yourself on the back for inventing such a sophisticated analysis.

Meanwhile, everyone else is laughing at you for thinking your little analysis is somehow better than what the rest of the CFB uses.

Me: "According to all the major CFB polls and statistical models, the AAC is better than the MWC dumpster fire"

kansas: "No sir. When I do my own analysis based on opponents' records it shows the MWC is better".

Me: "haha. Oh wait. You are serious. Umm, wow."

Kansas: "you are attacking me so I'm definitely right".

Me: :rofl: :thumb:
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
kansasCowboy said:
Totally worth it... And even the pros have outliers? But I bet if I did have a composite list and presented it to you, the first thing you would cling to would be a possible outlier and use it to tell me how unintelligent I was. I know how you function. I deal with guys like you at work all the time. They have to prove their right, and if something comes up that could actually harm that theory... Attack the source! Don't actually use reason...

Maybe why you won't actually answer the questions? ;)

But hey, here comes another long drawn out reason as to why I'm lame.

And

GO!
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Apparently this is above your intellect, but each of the models has a few outliers. I even pointed out one as well.

I don't get what you think I'm avoiding. Either way, keep patting yourself on the back for inventing such a sophisticated analysis.

Meanwhile, everyone else is laughing at you for thinking your little analysis is somehow better than what the rest of the CFB uses.

Me: "According to all the major CFB polls and statistical models, the AAC is better than the MWC dumpster fire"

kansas: "No sir. When I do my own analysis based on opponents' records it shows the MWC is better".

Me: "haha. Oh wait. You are serious. Umm, wow."

Kansas: "you are attacking me so I'm definitely right".

Me: :rofl: :thumb:
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Don't put words in my mouth. I never once said my analysis was better than anything. That was all you.

There was simple a question about three teams and I wanted your opinion on why you think they would be rated higher. You've yet to do that...
I didn't say to keep bringing up other lists and links, that was all you aswell. And it all protrudes from you choosing to cover your butt and not give me a simple opinion based answer on these three teams.

Still waiting.
 
I've said a thousand times, you've pointed out a few outliers. Oh wait, I just figured out the problem. You probably don't know what that means. My apologies. It means that 1 model probably does not have those particular teams ranked appropriately yet.

My bad. I wasn't aware of your limited vocabulary.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
kansasCowboy said:
Okay buddy, you will have to explain this to me since you're so enriched in the science of other peoples ratings rather than common sense:

Ready???

How in the hell can USC (3-3) and WVU (3-3) and lowly Sun Belt foe Appy St (5-1) who has beaten the likes quality teams such as Wyoming and Old Dominion. And who you also claimed were still FCS when we did play them, how In the world do you justify rating either of these three teams above the likes of:

7-0 Mich State- who has had a significant schedule and come out unscathed?
Or
6-0 Utah- who has surprised everyone and still continues to win over actual quality programs?

Come to your conclusion and get back to me...

And also you can laugh that I added in the FCS schools all you want, but even taking them out benefits my argument... So, again, better luck next time.

But seriously, justify using this rating system you just sent me, and answer those questions honestly.
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And did you see Sagarin? Massey is also one. The playoff formula combines them and makes other adjustments.

Bottom line is, they all try to account for things like quality of win. Your formula/proposal is nothing short of ridiculous of just looking at opponent win/loss. There is a reason that people are paid a lot of money to try to derive meaningful statistical data from the CFB season. They all all become more accurate with more data.

What doesn't change and all of them agree on is that the AAC is far ahead of the MWC this year and the MWC is loaded with craptastic teams which makes it a dumpster fire.

I mean honestly, if you think your kindergarten analysis is more valid than the likes of Sagarin, Massey, the S&P+, and CFB playoff formula, I don't know what the hell to tell you other than your head is in the sand.

It is okay, you can acknowledge that I'm right...just like FCS equaling half of FBS and successful coaches in the G5 ranks taking 6+ years to build programs. Damn, real data is inconvenient, isn't it?
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Again, I never said my thought process or "formula" was better than anything. ALL YOU.

Again, I have basically given you "CRITERIA", and all it is is to give me your opinion on three teams. You still have not.

All you continue to do is compare my thought to that of the guys who get paid. Then you give me your opininion on outliers within the list of rankings. That is not what I asked for. I asked for "YOU" to give me "YOUR OPINION" on these "THREE TEAMS".

Why does ragtime think these teams would be ranked so high?
Not give me your opinion on reasons as to why these "rankings" have outliers.

I don't know how plainly I can put it.

You and seattlecowboy wanted criteria after criteria after criteria, and I whittled it down and found you the answers.

I am giving you one simple criteria... Give me you opinion on three teams and why you think they would be rated so high? I don't want to hear about the rankings system, just three teams would suffice.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Why does ragtime think these teams would be ranked so high?
Not give me your opinion on reasons as to why these "rankings" have outliers.

I don't know how plainly I can put it.
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You are kind of like debating with women. The topic of discussion is the AAC being hands down better than the MWC and the MWC being a dumpster fire. I then linked several statistical models AND human polls to validate my claims.

For some odd reason, you are focusing on a few outliers in one model and asking what I think about them when I've clearly told you they are likely outliers and not ranked appropriately.

In some cases, the model may be correct. Example, Vegas agrees that USC should be ranked higher than Utah. In other examples, a few teams in a given model probably are not ranked appropriately.

That is the damn answer. Why can't you get it; are you dense, stubborn, or both? The teams you cited are probably not ranked appropriately in that 1 model which is why they don't show up on the COMPOSITE. FFS man, get with the rest of the CFB world.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
kansasCowboy said:
Why does ragtime think these teams would be ranked so high?
Not give me your opinion on reasons as to why these "rankings" have outliers.

I don't know how plainly I can put it.
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You are kind of like debating with women. The topic of discussion is the AAC being hands down better than the MWC and the MWC being a dumpster fire. I then linked several statistical models AND human polls to validate my claims.

For some odd reason, you are focusing on a few outliers in one model and asking what I think about them when I've clearly told you they are likely outliers and not ranked appropriately.

In some cases, the model may be correct. Example, Vegas agrees that USC should be ranked higher than Utah. In other examples, a few teams in a given model probably are not ranked appropriately.

That is the damn answer. Why can't you get it; are you dense, stubborn, or both? The teams you cited are probably not ranked appropriately in that 1 model which is why they don't show up on the COMPOSITE. FFS man, get with the rest of the CFB world.
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Nope. You're hopeless. I've known that for a while.

Here are some ways to start your answer:

I think West Virginia has done....

I think USC could be good if...

I don't have the slightest clue as to why Appy St...
 
kansasCowboy said:
Nope. You're hopeless. I've known that for a while.

Here are some ways to start your answer:

I think West Virginia has done....

I think USC could be good if...

I don't have the slightest clue as to why Appy St...
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:rofl: Shit, man. What the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you trying to invalidate the composite rankings of all the polls and models?

I've said, apparently Vegas thinks USC is better than Utah, so we'll see--eye test says too high, but Vegas says maybe ballpark. West Virginia is likely an outlier and ranked too high in THAT 1 FREAKING MODEL; Sagarin has them at about 30 and human polls don't have them anywhere. Appy State IN THAT 1 FREAKING MODEL is likely an outlier and ranked too high; Sagarin has them at about 60?

Seriously, are you not getting this? I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but funny nonetheless.

So then, are sticking with your elementary ranking that says the AAC is not better than the MWC and the MWC is not a dumpster fire or are you going to admit I'm right (which coincidentally all of the CFB world agrees with).
 
And there it is. Any conversation with you ends with you saying, " are you going to admit I'm right."

You can look a few posts up, pretty sure I brought this up.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Yeah, now it's all starting to come together! And these are just some "flaws" I noticed in your professional list to prove to me why the AAC is better than the MWC... I think I'll stick to common sense.
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You mean this?

In other words, you think your method of determining the better conference is a superior method than those used by the rest of the college football world :lol:

I use supporting data and you have "well, no sir because I say so and my common sense is better than any stinking poll, model, or anything else". :rofl:

This has been fun but I'm not sure it trumps FCS is essentially the same as half of FBS.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
kansasCowboy said:
Yeah, now it's all starting to come together! And these are just some "flaws" I noticed in your professional list to prove to me why the AAC is better than the MWC... I think I'll stick to common sense.
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You mean this?

In other words, you think your method of determining the better conference is a superior method than those used by the rest of the college football world :lol:

I use supporting data and you have "well, no sir because I say so and my common sense is better than any stinking poll, model, or anything else". :rofl:

This has been fun but I'm not sure it trumps FCS is essentially the same as half of FBS.
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Maybe I know I have enough intellect and football IQ common sense to know what I think, unlike you who has to rely on lists from pros with outliers... :thumb:

Alright, I'm done. But

And this is a big BUT:

I am by no means admitting you're right.

Just make sure you understand that and don't think you read something else.
 
kansasCowboy said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
kansasCowboy said:
Yeah, now it's all starting to come together! And these are just some "flaws" I noticed in your professional list to prove to me why the AAC is better than the MWC... I think I'll stick to common sense.
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You mean this?

In other words, you think your method of determining the better conference is a superior method than those used by the rest of the college football world :lol:

I use supporting data and you have "well, no sir because I say so and my common sense is better than any stinking poll, model, or anything else". :rofl:

This has been fun but I'm not sure it trumps FCS is essentially the same as half of FBS.
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Maybe I know I have enough intellect and football IQ common sense to know what I think, unlike you who has to rely on lists from pros with outliers... :thumb:

Alright, I'm done. But

And this is a big BUT:

I am by no means admitting you're right.

Just make sure you understand that and don't think you read something else.
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Well then, with your extreme IQ and intellect above all of the CFB world, care to make a little wager? I bet the AAC will be a higher rated conference at the end of the season than the MWC. You bet that the MWC will be rated higher than the AAC.

I propose we use Sagarin and average for both divisions but am certainly open to using other rankings.

If I win, you donate an additional $200 to Cowboy Joe Club. If you win, I do the same. We black out names and post the thank you for the donation.

You gonna put your money where your mouth is?
 
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