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So close! Again..

wyoav211933 said:
We are pretty close, but there are some very specific things that I can point out that could really help.

1.)Our bench is really weak

2.)Turnovers

3.)3 point shooting

4.)Rebounds
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1. Agree. I wouldn't say 'really' weak, just weak. Just 1 or 2 more guys with more production would be fantastic.

2. Absolutely.

3. Disagree. We are the 3rd best 3 point shooting team in the conference. Very close to being 2nd.

4. Offensive boards kill us sometimes. I won't argue with the strategy to not crash boards, but giving them up is brutal.
 
Just a little info that may have something to do with why they have Larry Nance get the ball in the closing seconds with the game on the line. I believe Coach Shyatt is playing percentages. Riley Grabau (our best 3 pt shooter) is shooting 48.3% from the 3 pt. line, and Larry Nance is shooting 53.7% on FGs - not sure what they shot in the NM or UNLV games.

Edit: I looked them up and here are their stats for UNM & UNLV:

Riley Grabau - UNM: overall - 57.1% (4 of 7), 3 pt - 66.7% (4 of 6), UNLV: overall - 44.4% (4 of 9), 3 pt - 42.9%

Larry Nance - UNM: overall - 30.8%, 3 pt - 0 of 2, UNLV: overall - 45.4%, 3 pt - 0 of 2
 
WYCowboy said:
Just a little info that may have something to do with why they have Larry Nance get the ball in the closing seconds with the game on the line. I believe Coach Shyatt is playing percentages. Riley Grabau (our best 3 pt shooter) is shooting 48.3% from the 3 pt. line, and Larry Nance is shooting 53.7% on FGs - not sure what they shot in the NM or UNLV games.

Edit: I looked them up and here are their stats for UNM & UNLV:

Riley Grabau - UNM: overall - 57.1% (4 of 7), 3 pt - 66.7% (4 of 6), UNLV: overall - 44.4% (4 of 9), 3 pt - 42.9%

Larry Nance - UNM: overall - 30.8%, 3 pt - 0 of 2, UNLV: overall - 45.4%, 3 pt - 0 of 2
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I understand the stats completely. After sleeping and decompressing a little I still am not sure I would have made the same call. In both games Larry wasn't knocking them dead from anywhere outside about 4-8 ft. I am a HUGE proponent of "go with the hot hand" and I don't think Larry was that guy in either situation. I would much rather have ran a play getting Adams to the rim or give it to Larry, work his game, then kick to Grabau or Granberry for a three. I just didn't see nance having the touch, especially last night.
 
WYCowboy said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
Adv8RU12 said:
BeaverPoke said:
I do think that the team will learn from these losses
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I think the team has already learned. They learned that Shyatt is good at everything but the end-game.
It's Shyatt that need to learn from these losses.
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Couldn't agree more...
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Couldn't disagree more...
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Just keep the status quo and accept being close....? Who should learn from this then? Maybe the fans should just learn that we'll get close and thats good enough
 
Well, I know our style isn't really geared toward offensive statistics, but we have one player in the top 25 in league scoring (Nance). I like grabua, and Adams is starting to develop into a great player, but neither is elite offensively. Every team in the conference has a guard that out scores our guards, and there are 15 true guard players on other teams that out score our startig guards( not counting g/f swing players).

Some of this can occur because of our schemes ( Adams is awesome on D), but I don't see how this team will close out games until we have a top 20 scorer at guard. I think Adams will become that guy by mw tourney time, and we make a run. If not he should be there by next season and we will have both a post player and a guard that are top conference scorers.
 
Going to Nance at the end makes sense to me. Adams had 6 points and 6 turnovers last night. Grabau or Sobey are good options but Nance is pretty reliable plus he's a very good from the line. I would imagine that Shyatt asked him about his injury and Nance must have told him he was ok. It wasn't like he missed the shot by more than a few inches.
 
I wonder if other teams around the country would consider going to their leading scorer/NBA prospect/all-conference performer at the end of a game a bad thing...
 
BackHarlowRoad said:
I wonder if other teams around the country would consider going to their leading scorer/NBA prospect/all-conference performer at the end of a game a bad thing...
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They probably would when he obviously is injured and hasn't been himself the entire second half....
 
ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
BackHarlowRoad said:
I wonder if other teams around the country would consider going to their leading scorer/NBA prospect/all-conference performer at the end of a game a bad thing...
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They probably would when he obviously is injured and hasn't been himself the entire second half....
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Still the game's leading scorer, game's leading rebounder, and still got a good look.
 
And there would be absolutely no complaining on this site had Nance made the jumper. It would've been considered a great option and a win. But it just didn't happen that way.
 
kansasCowboy said:
And there would be absolutely no complaining on this site had Nance made the jumper. It would've been considered a great option and a win. But it just didn't happen that way.
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How would it be considered a win? Nance's shot would have just forced OT. No guarantee that the Pokes, on the road with their best player hurt, would win in that scenario.

Pokes also couldn't stop UNLV down the stretch (Rebels scored on 9 of their last 13 possession, 9/12 before that last turnover). That's a big part of why I would have tried to run some action for a perimeter shot. I didn't like our chances in OT.

Either way, when you go into the last possession down by 2, your chances of winning will always be less than 50%. The key is not to put yourself in those types of positions.

On Edit: After watching the replay, I can't tell exactly what the options were but Granberry feeds Nance from the top of the key and stays there after the feed. It looks to me like Nance could have kicked it out to Granberry for a straight away look after he made his first move as Roscoe Smith (who was covering Granberry) made a move to help. It definitely looks like it was designed for Nance though because Granberry didn't really appear to be expecting the ball to come back out. He would have gotten a look though.
 
My dad says that Shyatt said on the radio this morning that the play choices were either Nance or for Riley to take a three. The team chose to go with Nance both of the last two losses
 
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