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NCAA Tourney?

Depends on league play. However, we keep winning (defense can't let anymore games like the last one happen, where it becomes a shootout), and a post season appearance is certainly possible.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
calling out a walk-on???
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My thought exactly when I read the article.

We are still a mystery, but a compelling one. I am more interested in the next basketball game than I am in football recruiting and that has not been the case in many years.
 
Yeah, obviously the author just looked at stats and didn't really know much about the league outside of UNLV.

Pokes didn't play an at-large type of OOC schedule. I am sure the team's goal is to win every game. As a fan my expectations are more modest. I think this team has a shot at the NIT, but may be looking at a CBI/CIT type of postseason which is still a step in the right direction.

6-8 in conference play and 20-10 overall going into the conference tourney is a reasonable target and would represent impressive progress from the Heath Schroyer era.

Have I mentioned that Schroyer sucks? I hate that guy.
 
NowherePoke said:
Yeah, obviously the author just looked at stats and didn't really know much about the league outside of UNLV.

Pokes didn't play an at-large type of OOC schedule. I am sure the team's goal is to win every game. As a fan my expectations are more modest. I think this team has a shot at the NIT, but may be looking at a CBI/CIT type of postseason which is still a step in the right direction.

6-8 in conference play and 20-10 overall going into the conference tourney is a reasonable target and would represent impressive progress from the Heath Schroyer era.

Have I mentioned that Schroyer sucks? I hate that guy.
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Agreed......I think they can do a tad better than 6-8 in conference though. Maybe swap it around to 8-6.
 
J-Rod said:
NowherePoke said:
Yeah, obviously the author just looked at stats and didn't really know much about the league outside of UNLV.

Pokes didn't play an at-large type of OOC schedule. I am sure the team's goal is to win every game. As a fan my expectations are more modest. I think this team has a shot at the NIT, but may be looking at a CBI/CIT type of postseason which is still a step in the right direction.

6-8 in conference play and 20-10 overall going into the conference tourney is a reasonable target and would represent impressive progress from the Heath Schroyer era.

Have I mentioned that Schroyer sucks? I hate that guy.
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Agreed......I think they can do a tad better than 6-8 in conference though. Maybe swap it around to 8-6.
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I'd be thrilled with 6-8. The league isn't what it used to be, but still some very quality teams out there. Not sure if we can beat Vegas even in Laramie, a split with UNM, and SDSU would be nice but that would be tall order, still leaning towards getting swept by both of them...even though we did beat the Lobos last season with Schroyer. The rest of the league is a toss up we probably sweep the Sheep and AFA and I'd guess a split the rest of the way out.
 
I would never call a sweep over any conference foe before league play has even started. They are our rivals and no matter how shitty one team is or how good both are those games will surprise
 
We aren't getting into the NCAA Tournament unless we get the auto bid from winning the conference tournament, which I think is a long shot. Like many others, I'm expecting around 5-7 wins in conference play. The bottom half of the league have all improved significantly. There won't be a single game come conference play that is a sure win.

Personally, I think even making the NIT would be overachieving for this teams talent level. I would be more than happy with a CBI/College Insider tournament appearance. Shyatt is really getting every ounce of potential out of these guys.
 
TheRealUW said:
Personally, I think even making the NIT would be overachieving for this teams talent level. I would be more than happy with a CBI/College Insider tournament appearance. Shyatt is really getting every ounce of potential out of these guys.
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From what I have seen and heard, it sounds like Coach Shyatt is convinced that this team has not reached its potential yet and expects this group of players to improve from where they are at now. That is a big part of the difference between the past regime and this one. The last coach complained that his players didn't have enough talent and this coach is simply teaching the players to be the most-skilled team on the court.

Last time Coach Shyatt and Coach Duncan were here, people talked about the lack of talent, especially after LaDrell Whitehead left. Coaches figure out how to win instead of waiting for the next class to arrive.

All of that said, I do not think our schedule is going to get us an at-large bid to the Big Dance unless we win the league and make a run in the conference tournement.
 
If we win tomorrow night against Idaho St., and then if we win half of our conference games, then 21 wins might get us on the bubble. That's a lot of if's. I do agree with the coaches though that this team has not reached it's potential. There are about 3 players (who shall remain anonymous) who I think will improve a great deal by the conference tourney.
 
TheRealUW said:
We aren't getting into the NCAA Tournament unless we get the auto bid from winning the conference tournament, which I think is a long shot. Like many others, I'm expecting around 5-7 wins in conference play. The bottom half of the league have all improved significantly. There won't be a single game come conference play that is a sure win.

Personally, I think even making the NIT would be overachieving for this teams talent level. I would be more than happy with a CBI/College Insider tournament appearance. Shyatt is really getting every ounce of potential out of these guys.
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CBI? Fuck that shit. Why pay money to play in a tourney no one will see
 
If we get over .500 in conference play, finish fourth in the conference, and win four of our eight games against UNM, UNLV, and SDSU, and CSU, I think we'd find ourselves on the bubble. Even more so if we find a way to win two games in the MWC tournament (losing in the final). Say we finish 24-9 (8-6) (counting tourney play) with the above wins. That would get us awfully close to a tourney-worth resume, no?

Mind you, I'm not expecting this team to be tourney-worthy this season and have already said I'd be tickled with an NIT bid. I'm just saying what I think would get us in the NCAA conversation.

BTW, I'm surprised the article linked gave CSU no shot of making the NCAA. Their RPI is 32 right now, with an SOS rank of 13. If they have the same kind of resume I discuss above they would have to be in the conversation, right?
 
One thing that I think might be getting lost in this conversation is that the MWC has surpassed the Pac 10/12 in RPI. Relatively speaking, we are a stronger league than we were a decade ago.

All of that said, I think the whole league would be stronger if we could improve our (UW's) out of conference schedule. Even though we are now a Top 100 RPI team (99th), my bet is that our schedule until now will actually drag the conference down as our opponents start playing within their own conferences.

Ten years ago who would have thought that by going from the MWC to the Pac 10/12, Utah would be taking a step down in basketball conference strength?

As for Boise State and TCU, has anyone else noticed that their departure could actually improve the MWC's RPI?

In future years we need to get Utah, Nebraska and Creighton back on the schedule along with Colorado, Denver. Can you imagine an annual game with Nebraska in Denver's Pepsi Center?

For what it is worth, I do like Having games against teams from Idaho, Montana and South Dakota because our respective alumni often work together and those make short road trips for folks that live far from Laramie.
 
WyoExpat said:
One thing that I think might be getting lost in this conversation is that the MWC has surpassed the Pac 10/12 in RPI. Relatively speaking, we are a stronger league than we were a decade ago.

All of that said, I think the whole league would be stronger if we could improve our (UW's) out of conference schedule. Even though we are now a Top 100 RPI team (99th), my bet is that our schedule until now will actually drag the conference down as our opponents start playing within their own conferences.

Ten years ago who would have thought that by going from the MWC to the Pac 10/12, Utah would be taking a step down in basketball conference strength?

As for Boise State and TCU, has anyone else noticed that their departure could actually improve the MWC's RPI?

In future years we need to get Utah, Nebraska and Creighton back on the schedule along with Colorado, Denver. Can you imagine an annual game with Nebraska in Denver's Pepsi Center?

For what it is worth, I do like Having games against teams from Idaho, Montana and South Dakota because our respective alumni often work together and those make short road trips for folks that live far from Laramie.
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I don't think Shyatt set up our conference schedule with conference RPI in mind. We had a new coaching staff coming in to take over a team that hadn't won a road game in a long time, with a dismal record, and a team that lost about 75% of it's scoring due to defections. I'm pretty sure Shyatt & staff wanted to start at the bottom to teach this team how to win at home first and then win on the road. You don't do that by bringing in top teams right off the bat. As he gets this team built up with depth and playing good defense, I'm betting he will up the ooc schedule strength in coming years. Shyatt & staff are far more experienced and smarter in coaching that we have seen for awhile.
 
WYCowboy said:
Shyatt & staff are far more experienced and smarter in coaching that we have seen for awhile.
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The irony we haven't seen this type of coaching quality since the last time he was here.
 
I don't think Shyatt set up our conference schedule with conference RPI in mind. We had a new coaching staff coming in to take over a team that hadn't won a road game in a long time, with a dismal record, and a team that lost about 75% of it's scoring due to defections. I'm pretty sure Shyatt & staff wanted to start at the bottom to teach this team how to win at home first and then win on the road. You don't do that by bringing in top teams right off the bat.
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I think that is about right and I certainly didn't think that we, CBS or ESPN would have reason to be talking about our RPI at this stage in the season either. I would rather have this problem than the problems that we have had in the past few years.
 
Let's calm down a bit until we hold serve at home against the big boys in the conference. It is kind of remarkable how the schedule is set - we start with home games against all of the contenders and road games against all of the pretenders, and then it flips in the second half of the conference season. We'll know pretty early on whether we are for real or not.
 
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