My Question: Start our own fan initiative?

[Wyokie]

O.K. how about a compromise...

Keep CDC
Fire Burman

 

[PokeOLoco]

Deal. New AD gives DC support and resources to fix the D.

 

[YankPoke]

I just want to be clear on where I am at: we need a wholesale change in mantra in our athletic department, the kind that Doc is suggesting (we can at least agree on something) that is void of excuses and that has a vision for Wyoming athletics as not poor old Wyoming but as WYOMING, a proud university that expects championships and that gives coaches the resources to compete at the TOP of the conference. That being said, DC is a good offensive coach who has recruited two MWC Freshman QBs of the year and the best QB in school history. My glory days at WYO under Glenn were spent hoping to god we can get at least get a first down. I don't want to go back to that and there's not a chance on Earth DC looks at what Tormey is doing and is pleased. Bronco Medenhall has survived some bad coordinators. We cannot fire a coach every four or five years and expect good things. He has grown to like Wyoming quite a bit, and wants to be here. But we have to be proactive,coordinated, and supportive and we need to do some self examination and get this thing right. I'm worried if Burman has what it takes.

Agree with almost everything here

 

[stymeman]

Hell yes, I'd love for the Pokes to matter, but anymore it seems that if we can't make the Top 25, win conference championships, we've kinda been "branded" to the moniker that it doesn't matter what we do at UW anymore, the bowls really don't matter. It used to be really fun 87-88, and 96 seasons when we were in the top 20(25 later on), when teams around the country took notice of us. Everybody says you can't recruit to Laramie, that's total BS and it falls on our AD and how they want to market and brand the brand. Making the War a tough, shake in your boots place to come play. Budgets come and go, but isn't it time to get past the it is what it is, we don't matter. I just wish in the future that a true playoff system comes into play so every 100 years we can matter. My passion is there year in and year out, it just gets old to be let down year in and year out. We sure aren't outta of this conf race but we've really gotta work our tails off and see what the passion and desire does for us from here on out. Boise lost Southwyk, Utah St---Keaton, it all starts with San Jose St, we shall see......GO POKES

 

[ZapPoke]

Doc, we should not have to. Here is a quote directly from the Athletics Department strategic plan:

"When its athletic teams achieve success on and off the field of play people from throughout the country draw positive perceptions of UW as a whole. These positive institutional images provide strong correlations to increased student applications, enhanced school spirit and state morale, a strengthened University reputation, increased alumni awareness, greater levels of private fundraising and increased legislative and governmental support"

We also have the Cowboy Joe Club already. I have to believe they are on the AD's ass to improve things and they already have the infrastructure that a new fan initiative would not.

So, between the University President and the CJC the AD should already be on the hotseat. I will say I agree with those who have said let's see how the season plays out. Maybe the Pokes will surprise us yet. The only good thing about last week's game is that my expectations are now so low that I won't be on the verge of bursting an artery if they play like shit again.

 

[Wyovanian]

Doc, we should not have to. Here is a quote directly from the Athletics Department strategic plan:

"When its athletic teams achieve success on and off the field of play people from throughout the country draw positive perceptions of UW as a whole. These positive institutional images provide strong correlations to increased student applications, enhanced school spirit and state morale, a strengthened University reputation, increased alumni awareness, greater levels of private fundraising and increased legislative and governmental support"

We also have the Cowboy Joe Club already. I have to believe they are on the AD's ass to improve things and they already have the infrastructure that a new fan initiative would not.

So, between the University President and the CJC the AD should already be on the hotseat. I will say I agree with those who have said let's see how the season plays out. Maybe the Pokes will surprise us yet. The only good thing about last week's game is that my expectations are now so low that I won't be on the verge of bursting an artery if they play like shit again.

CJC is an extension of the AD's office and is basically subordinate to it.

 

[ZapPoke]

CJC may be subordinate to the AD, but the donors have power. You know, money talks, bullshit walks.

 

[Wyovanian]

CJC may be subordinate to the AD, but the donors have power. You know, money talks, bullshit walks.

Most serious donors, especially the business donors, are somewhat loathe to straightforward threaten to withhold or to reduce their donations, as their overall commitment is to UW on the whole, with UW Athletics being the direct beneficiary. The businesses, especially, don't want to deal with possible negative publicity of ending or reducing their participation.

What Din... er, Doc is proposing makes some sense- a group independent of the university itself with no real financial hierarchy consequential to donor levels. You almost need to turn this thing inside out on the AD's office- get a group together who would possibly boycott advertisers and sponsors if the AD or President don't act- this would give them cover. An athletic program (and university, for that matter) can too easily be seen as kowtowing to it's donors, but when its advertisers and sponsors complain that the lack of action vis a vis poor performance is hurting their business, then the school has a pretty legitimate motivation.

 

[ZapPoke]

Ok, I guess you make a pretty good point. Is something similar being done elsewhere? I have no idea cuz I only follow UW.