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lol. I feel like a sunshine pumper...

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ragtimejoe1

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I realize there are lots of bad in the game, but I still feel like we are a middle of the pack MWC team. Hawaii will give other teams fits, especially on the rock.

I thought WYO wasn't too bad for about 3/4 of the game. We lack talent in the secondary for sure, but that rb from Hawaii is no slouch. Kid is a bruiser.

CK played a good first half until the meltdown. It isn't the first time in CFB that a backup comes in and changes the game. Maybe our coaches knew how to contain Hawaii with their starter, but it changed with the backup?

We also lack depth which was extremely obvious. Overall, though, I'm not in meltdown mode. SJSU, UNM, and Fresno are all winnable games. I think 6 wins is a successful season, all things considered, and 5 would be average. If we somehow win 6 and get the boot, it would be a damn successful season.

We have good coaches; now all we need is an administrative overhaul.
 
Over the last 13 years (2001 - 2013), Wyo has a overall record of 61 - 95 (39%) and a conference record of 32 - 67 (32%), excluding bowl games. That is an average of 4.7 wins and 7.3 losses overall and 2.5 wins and 5.2 losses in conference.

Wyo has not done well in conference games. Why? Do the other teams have better coaches or players or both? Wyo may consistently get out coached but it would also appear that Wyo has not been able to recruit the level of talent to consistently compete against conference foes.

Bohl is a very good coach. His biggest challenge will be recruiting top level talent to Laramie. Recruiting top talent appears to have been a challenge in the past. I doubt it will be any easier in the future. Young men have over 100 places to play FBS football. Laramie is on that list, but would not be a first or sixty fourth choice for top level talent.
 
Bohl is a very good coach. His biggest challenge will be recruiting top level talent to Laramie. Recruiting top talent appears to have been a challenge in the past. I doubt it will be any easier in the future. Young men have over 100 places to play FBS football. Laramie is on that list, but would not be a first or sixty fourth choice for top level talent.
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That is exactly right. Now, the question can be modified to a MWC level (as there is less than a zero chance we'll ever recruit the across-the-board 3/4/5 star talent necessary to compete nationally): can we recruit the type of talent necessary to regularly challenge for the conference title?

I'm more optimistic about that. We still have disadvantages, even in the MWC, but I really think it's doable. But it takes the right coach, and it takes time.
 
SnowyRange said:
That is exactly right. Now, the question can be modified to a MWC level (as there is less than a zero chance we'll ever recruit the across-the-board 3/4/5 star talent necessary to compete nationally): can we recruit the type of talent necessary to regularly challenge for the conference title?

I'm more optimistic about that. We still have disadvantages, even in the MWC, but I really think it's doable. But it takes the right coach, and it takes time.
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Wyo fans have been saying that for how long now?
 
Personally, I think the "recruiting challenges" bit is nothing more than an excuse for failure by our Administration.

Nothing like having a pre-canned excuse of why the metrics of your success are consistently falling well short of targeted goals.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
Personally, I think the "recruiting challenges" bit is nothing more than an excuse for failure by our Administration.

Nothing like having a pre-canned excuse of why the metrics of your success are consistently falling well short of targeted goals.
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I don't think it is really an administration thing, because next door to the War is the AA where Shyatt is somehow making NOT coming to Laramie a challenge.

Football is different, I understand that. And especially with the style of play we want with Bohl. Hard to find several 300 pound studs to create holes for RBs.
 
BeaverPoke said:
I don't think it is really an administration thing, because next door to the War is the AA where Shyatt is somehow making NOT coming to Laramie a challenge.

Football is different, I understand that. And especially with the style of play we want with Bohl. Hard to find several 300 pound studs to create holes for RBs.
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IMO, the losing epidemic at the University of Wyoming, through several coaches, is a symptom of failed Administration. Nothing chaps my ass more than hearing Administration talk about how hard their job is. Guess what, when recruits read "it is really hard to recruit to WYO", they instantly have a negative view of WYO.

If you accept excuses for failure, you accept failure.
 
SnowyRange said:
Football is different,
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You are so right.

It takes about 2.5 excellent players to make a run with a basketball team. It takes about twice that many for football.
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I think it is way more than 5 or so.

We need 5 or so solid Olinemen, a solid QB, and a mix of 2-4 solid RB/WRs.
Then about 5 D-linemen, and a mix of 4 or 5 LB/secondary.

It's just so hard for any team to satisfy all those requirements.

Why go be the star of a 2 win team? How does that exposure help get you to the NFL?
It makes more sense to be the 3rd or 4th best player on a really good team considering some of those teams have 5-10 players drafted every year.
 
BeaverPoke said:
SnowyRange said:
Football is different,
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You are so right.

It takes about 2.5 excellent players to make a run with a basketball team. It takes about twice that many for football.
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I think it is way more than 5 or so.

We need 5 or so solid Olinemen, a solid QB, and a mix of 2-4 solid RB/WRs.
Then about 5 D-linemen, and a mix of 4 or 5 LB/secondary.

It's just so hard for any team to satisfy all those requirements.

Why go be the star of a 2 win team? How does that exposure help get you to the NFL?
It makes more sense to be the 3rd or 4th best player on a really good team considering some of those teams have 5-10 players drafted every year.
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Absolutely false. You can be a 4 or 5 star recruit to a big time school and maybe never see the field. One advantage in coming to a talent poor school is being able to play right away. Robert Herron played a lot even as a freshman. I'd say it worked out ok for him. Had he gone to a pac 12 school, he might never have played or been just a situational player. Jay Cutler only won 11 games his entire college career and He didn't go unnoticed.
 
Jay Cutler played in the SEC. He played against top competition every single week. Totally different situation.
You don't have to be a star on your own team to get drafted if you play at a big time school. Hell, USC one year had all 3 starting LBs drafted. Just because we have one year where we get 2 players drafted doesn't mean that all of a sudden going to the small school is the way to go.
 
Malcolm Floyd... Need we say more? Yes, Robert Herron ...

Tashaun Gipson. Shoot, John Wendling was being recruited by Nebraska. But he was a UW fan, there was NO way he wasn't coming to WYO, but still, it applies.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Malcolm Floyd... Need we say more? Yes, Robert Herron ...

Tashaun Gipson. Shoot, John Wendling was being recruited by Nebraska. But he was a UW fan, there was NO way he wasn't coming to WYO, but still, it applies.
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This again? We have a few guys in the NFL, yeah but it is nothing compared to other schools.

MWC

AFA-1
Boise-17
CSU-5
Fresno-15
Hawaii-2
UNLV-4
Nevada-9
New Mexico-3
SDSU-10
SJSU-5
Utah State-9
Wyoming-5



Former conference mates

BYU-6
TCU-12
Utah-18



Neighboring states...

UTAH
Byu-6
Utah-18
Utah State-9
Weber State-1

IDAHO
Idaho-3
Idaho State-3
Boise State-17

MONTANA
Montana-8
Montana State-2

SOUTH DAKOTA
South Dakota-2
South Dakota State-2

NEBRASKA
Nebraska-19
Nebraska-Kearney-1
Nebraska-Omaha-1

COLORADO
CU-10
CSU-5
AFA-1


Between the neighboring states, current MWC, and former MWC teams there are 26 schools that have guys in the NFL.
Of those 26 the list top to bottom goes:
1. Nebraska-19
2. Utah-18
3. Boise-17
4. Fresno-15
5. TCU-12
6. CU/San Diego State-10
8. USU/Nevada-9
10. Montana-8
11. BYU-6
12. CSU/Wyo/SJSU-5
15. UNLV-4
16. NM/Idaho/Idaho State-3
19. South Dakota/South Dakota State/Montana State/Hawaii-2
23. AFA/NEB-Kearney/NEB-Omaha/Weber St.-1

So of these schools we rank right in the middle (tied for 12th) with San Jose State, and CSU. Pretty mediocre.
But of the 12 teams we are ahead of, only 5 are FBS. And of those 5, 1 is a military academy.
Other notable teams are:
North Dakota State-5
New Mexico State-5

So in terms of production with schools we have something in common with, whether it be conference affiliation, or neighboring states, or just regional in some sense, we are incredibly average compared to other schools, which is fine until you realize that several teams below us are FCS, pushing us to the bottom of the FBS.
 
BeaverPoke said:
kansasCowboy said:
Malcolm Floyd... Need we say more? Yes, Robert Herron ...

Tashaun Gipson. Shoot, John Wendling was being recruited by Nebraska. But he was a UW fan, there was NO way he wasn't coming to WYO, but still, it applies.
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This again? We have a few guys in the NFL, yeah but it is nothing compared to other schools.

MWC

AFA-1
Boise-17
CSU-5
Fresno-15
Hawaii-2
UNLV-4
Nevada-9
New Mexico-3
SDSU-10
SJSU-5
Utah State-9
Wyoming-5



Former conference mates

BYU-6
TCU-12
Utah-18



Neighboring states...

UTAH
Byu-6
Utah-18
Utah State-9
Weber State-1

IDAHO
Idaho-3
Idaho State-3
Boise State-17

MONTANA
Montana-8
Montana State-2

SOUTH DAKOTA
South Dakota-2
South Dakota State-2

NEBRASKA
Nebraska-19
Nebraska-Kearney-1
Nebraska-Omaha-1

COLORADO
CU-10
CSU-5
AFA-1


Between the neighboring states, current MWC, and former MWC teams there are 26 schools that have guys in the NFL.
Of those 26 the list top to bottom goes:
1. Nebraska-19
2. Utah-18
3. Boise-17
4. Fresno-15
5. TCU-12
6. CU/San Diego State-10
8. USU/Nevada-9
10. Montana-8
11. BYU-6
12. CSU/Wyo/SJSU-5
15. UNLV-4
16. NM/Idaho/Idaho State-3
19. South Dakota/South Dakota State/Montana State/Hawaii-2
23. AFA/NEB-Kearney/NEB-Omaha/Weber St.-1

So of these schools we rank right in the middle (tied for 12th) with San Jose State, and CSU. Pretty mediocre.
But of the 12 teams we are ahead of, only 5 are FBS. And of those 5, 1 is a military academy.
Other notable teams are:
North Dakota State-5
New Mexico State-5

So in terms of production with schools we have something in common with, whether it be conference affiliation, or neighboring states, or just regional in some sense, we are incredibly average compared to other schools, which is fine until you realize that several teams below us are FCS, pushing us to the bottom of the FBS.
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Last year there were 8 Pokes in the NFL...two weeks ago we had 6. The numbers vary greatly and IMO don't mean too much in the grand scheme of things.
 
The numbers do vary greatly but the schools rankings vary slightly.
You won't see Bama drop to below Wyo unless we are 10 years past a 4 year death penalty.
The schools will generally be consistent unless you build a program like Boise State or if you are a once esteemed program like CU that has dropped off significantly.
 
More than enough talent around to build a successful program. Like I said, accepting excuses for failure is accepting failure.
 
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