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Levi Williams

He should get a shot absolutely.

I root for TVW because he has a lot of character and is a competitor. But as Laxwyo said, he is basically Nick Smith 2.0. We aren’t going to win a ton of games with his skill set and poor decision making. Let’s see what Williams has.
 
Like I said in another thread, the only problem is he is being coached by the same guys that have coached all the others.

Levi won’t be any worse but until there is a change in offensive philosophy or coaching it will be the same dog and pony show. QB has talent but for some reason gets worse being coached by these guys.
 
seattlecowboy said:
Like I said in another thread, the only problem is he is being coached by the same guys that have coached all the others.

Levi won’t be any worse but until there is a change in offensive philosophy or coaching it will be the same dog and pony show. QB has talent but for some reason gets worse being coached by these guys.
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Sad, but true. A number of complaints I saw about Josh leading up to his draft day, was that it looked like he had never had a QB coach and thus developed a ton of bad habits. 2 years into his NFL career, and he's finally getting some of those fixed.
 
seattlecowboy said:
Like I said in another thread, the only problem is he is being coached by the same guys that have coached all the others.

Levi won’t be any worse but until there is a change in offensive philosophy or coaching it will be the same dog and pony show. QB has talent but for some reason gets worse being coached by these guys.
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Chambers definitely has improved. I don’t know how you don’t see that. TVW has probably improved a tiny amount but his skill set and decision making don’t make him a good fit IMO. If Williams is more mobile and makes better decisions, we have a better chance.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
seattlecowboy said:
Like I said in another thread, the only problem is he is being coached by the same guys that have coached all the others.

Levi won’t be any worse but until there is a change in offensive philosophy or coaching it will be the same dog and pony show. QB has talent but for some reason gets worse being coached by these guys.
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Chambers definitely has improved. I don’t know how you don’t see that. TVW has probably improved a tiny amount but his skill set and decision making don’t make him a good fit IMO. If Williams is more mobile and makes better decisions, we have a better chance.
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I think Chambers is a great runner and very athletic. Big mobile guy. But his accuracy is horrible. I think TVW throws a better ball than Chambers by quite a bit. Problem is TVW makes horrible decisions. Again all of this has the same starting point which is the offensive coaching staff.
 
seattlecowboy said:
Like I said in another thread, the only problem is he is being coached by the same guys that have coached all the others.

Levi won’t be any worse but until there is a change in offensive philosophy or coaching it will be the same dog and pony show. QB has talent but for some reason gets worse being coached by these guys.
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Levi will look like shit if he gets thrown to the wolves. That's what happens when your coaches aren't capable of putting you in a position to be successful. Even a rare talent like Josh Allen looked mediocre with this staff.
 
TVW does throw a better ball, to defensive players. Chambers doesn’t need to be god, he just needs to be one increment better. All of Sean’s TDs have been wide open big plays. That’s why his YPA is so high and that’s what we need because they are selling out to attack 2 running threats. TVW finally kept the ball and has two TDs but most read options are worthless because Tyler might scamper for 12 yards on a correct read. Sean would break it open. There’s no incentive to even bother staying home for TVW. That’s why Valladays YPR is so much lower the last two games. TVW doesn’t look half bad when he tucks it and runs but man, he’s like a baby giraffe on ice skates when he scrambles
 
My thing is when things start going South this coaching staff doesn't do much to try different things to see if that kickstarts something else, going to the well doesnt always work or it can go dry, CSU will be interesting, how baaaaad do weeeee waaaaant it?
 
First off we would have won that game by at least two TDs if Sean played. fml. Sean would have run for 250 on those fools. No joke.

Secondly, TWV has heart and passion like I've seen in few players. I'll always appreciate how he hustled and ran that guys down after his pick and tackled him on the two. That shows he gives a crap. But it's not working out. He throws some beautiful passes followed by some questionable ones. I blame Vigen. Vigen has a special and uncommon talent for making QBs regress. Hell, like others have said, a generational talent like Josh Allen struggled mightily under his shitty tutelage.

Thirdly, I think Levi deserves a chance at some point this season. Not sure when the right time to do it is, but I do think it needs to happen. I want Tyler so bad to lead us to a good ending, but I just don't see it.
 
LanderPoke said:
First off we would have won that game by at least two TDs if Sean played. fml. Sean would have run for 250 on those fools. No joke.

Secondly, TWV has heart and passion like I've seen in few players. I'll always appreciate how he hustled and ran that guys down after his pick and tackled him on the two. That shows he gives a crap. But it's not working out. He throws some beautiful passes followed by some questionable ones. I blame Vigen. Vigen has a special and uncommon talent for making QBs regress. Hell, like others have said, a generational talent like Josh Allen struggled mightily under his shitty tutelage.

Thirdly, I think Levi deserves a chance at some point this season. Not sure when the right time to do it is, but I do think it needs to happen. I want Tyler so bad to lead us to a good ending, but I just don't see it.
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TVW is a good example of how a quarterback has to be superman for the offense to succeed. He has some of the tools of a good college quarterback but he isn't nearly special enough. For this offense every single passing attempt feels like a whole adventure and it has for years. I think we take fewer easy completions than any team in college football. The only difference is that we had Josh Allen who could run back and forth in the pocket and then throw a 50 yard frozen rope to the endzone. Same for Chambers except that he can realistically break an 80 yard touchdown run. If you can't do either of these you're shit out of luck playing QB for Vigen and Bohl.
 
After watching some of Levi's highlight videos, I am concerned about how long his delivery takes. It is almost like he winds up before releasing the ball. But I am willing to give the kid a shot since the offense can't possibly get worse.
 
Levi Williams is the real deal! Poise in the pocket and very mobile. Him and Chambers on the same team is going to be a great few years!!
 
OrediggerPoke said:
Levi Williams is the real deal! Poise in the pocket and very mobile. Him and Chambers on the same team is going to be a great few years!!
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Well, I mean, an incredibly small sample size in the passing game. He threw a screen and was poised in the pocket on his ONE other throw. Was a good first impression.

Tough as nails.

Was pretty much used as a runner, like Chambers.
 
BackHarlowRoad said:
OrediggerPoke said:
Levi Williams is the real deal! Poise in the pocket and very mobile. Him and Chambers on the same team is going to be a great few years!!
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Well, I mean, an incredibly small sample size in the passing game. He threw a screen and was poised in the pocket on his ONE other throw. Was a good first impression.

Tough as nails.

Was pretty much used as a runner, like Chambers.
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Yea small sample size but very telling IMO. He looks to be as fast as Chambers but not quite as physical. However, on his two throws, he showed patience and didn’t throw an uncatchable missile. I might like the idea of a rotating QB system with Chambers and Williams and with a lot of QB designed runs and RPOs.
 
nashvillepoke said:
I am concerned about how long his delivery takes.
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And it won't get better with time unless he figures it out himself and works on it. There won't be a coach that works with him on it.
 
Adv8RU12 said:
nashvillepoke said:
I am concerned about how long his delivery takes.
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And it won't get better with time unless he figures it out himself and works on it. There won't be a coach that works with him on it.
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Take about 5 minutes to just enjoy a win, would ya?

Goodness.
 
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