seattlecowboy said:
YankPoke said:
All of you guys are living in the 30 minute soap opera if I don't see results immediately then the coach needs to be fired world. Do you want to end up like CU who is now one of the least attractive jobs out there and they fired a guy that the players loved, and he was getting talent they just didn't give him enough time. A lot of successful coaches have struggled early during the course of setting the groundwork to building a program, Bill Snyder, Bill McCartney, Frank Beamer just to name a few. Coach Christensen has us going in the right direction we have more talent in the program than when he got here, we are redshirting 18! players that will be a huge help to be able to redshirt players and get them that extra year. We are probably returning the second best team in the MWC to Fresno depending on if SJSU and USU lose their coaches which is a good possibility and you want to quit now? Dave will have us winning 8-10 games yearly and competing for conference championships on a regular basis if we stick with him, you just need patience and the correct vision. We have the right vision and things are improving, we will most likely have a new DC next year and that hopefully will help our d but our program is going in the right direction the wins and losses may not show it right now but it is and you guys need to stop the 30 minute expectations or we will end up with a crap program like CU.
Not sure what this "All of you guys" crap is. All I was saying is that Joe Tiller and Dave Christensen are not identical.
Also your statement about the defense is not correct. If the defense is better next year it will be because Tormey sticks around and it is his 2nd year in the program not because he leaves and they hire another one. Usually teams struggle their first year with a new coordinator whether it is on offense or defense and improve the 2nd year. If they hire a new DC then they will most likely have a bad year again next year.
On the otherhand I don't think it is all the defensive coordinators fault. I have said this before but if you look at every year with Dave Christensen as the head coach the defense has been terrible whether it is Marty English coaching the defense or Tormey. So even if they do keep Tormey I would say based on the amount of information available that the defense will be bad again because it is the head coach that is actually in charge and making the final calls and not the defensive coordinator.
As for the talent being better than when he got here I would say the offensive talent is better but the defensive talent is worse.
Guess we will find out next year. :thumb:
Key difference. Tiller coached with Roach during the glorious 80's seasons. Tiller changed the offense and then struggled. He took a team that won 9 games previously and finished 4-6-1 then 5-7. We had several starters coming back from that 9-4 squad under Roach yet we digressed.
DC comes in and takes over a Glenn program that finish 4-8 and statistically was one of the worst teams offensively and wasn't that great defensively. There were NO recruits after Glenn's last year. DC takes a team projected to go 1-11 based off of the talent coming back. He uses his own recruits and overachieves and gets us a bowl in his first year 7-6. But, we actually don't digress in his second year, analysts said it as well that We played about as well as the team should have been. 3-9 against one of the toughest schedules in the country. Again, we played a lot of freshman and a majority of Sophmores in key positions.
So in Tillers third year we go 8-4 and get blown out in a bowl game. DC goes 8-5 and we lose bad in a bowl game.
Key difference between 94 and this year: 94's schedule was relatively weak. and yet we only go 6-6. This years schedule in retrospect was in fact stronger than 94's based off the teams we played and their records. Yet we lost four games this year by a combined 13 points. Here's a run down of wyo's sched in 94 and why we went 6-6 and should have been better: Utep 3-7-1, Utah10-2, Tulsa 3-8, Sds 4-7, Org st 4-7, unm 5-7, Neb 13-0, Ulm 3-8, Haw 3-8-1, Fsu 5-7-1, Csu 10-2,Aafa 8-4. That's a combined record of 71-67-2. We lost bad in a shootout against OSU 31-44 (4-7) Barely beat Tulsa 17-7 (3-8) Played good against Nebraska 32-42 (13-0) barely beat Haw 13-10 (3-8-1) Blown out by Utah 7-41 (10-2) beat handedly by AFA 17-34 (8-4) and won in a shootout handedly against SDS 52-35 (4-7) and Beat handedly by Fsu 24-38.
This year: (current records, season not over) Texas 8-3, Toledo 9-3, Cal Poly 9-2, Idaho 1-11, Afa 6-6, Bsu 9-2, Csu 4-8, Unm4-9, Fsu 9-3, Nev7-4, Sds 9-3, Unlv 2-11. That's 77-65. And like I said not over yet. We play good against Texas 17-37 (8-3), Lose by 3 to Toledo 31-34 (9-3), Lose by 2 to C-Poly 22-24 (9-2), Lose to Afa by 1 27-28 (6-6 with our backup QB in I might add), Lost in tough OT game to Nev 28-35 (7-4) Beat handedly by Fsu 14-42 (9-3), Beat handedly by BSU 14-45 (9-2), beat in a hard fought first half by SDS 28-42 (9-3)
If you look closely, the teams we lost to are all going bowling. We played a good schedule. And we never really were "blown out. (Blown out being 41-7 type score or worse. In 94 we were losing to Losing teams.
94 we go 6-6 against a weaker schedule There really isn't a loss in 94 that I can say came down to just one possession or play like we had this year. We were a legit 6-6. No game could have been easily changed either way, exception: Hawaii 13-10.
This year we go 4-8. Like we stated earlier we we 13 points away from being 8-4. We played tougher teams closer and we beat losing teams, something 94 couldn't do. I think if you want to go by overall record you should delve into it a bit and see why you can make an argument or not. This 4-8 Wyo team was way better than the 6-6 Wyo team. So Tiller might be 23-23-1 and DC 22-28, But, DC has played by far better competition each year.
