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Jeremy Lieberman -- Player of the Year
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kansasCowboy
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Nice. I think this kid has a tremendous upside! I'm really excited that he's a Cowboy.
I think Jones will be good aswell. I noticed he's avging about 14 ppg and does well with the ball.
Barnes is already 250 lbs!!! Amazing! And he's avging a double double. He may be an impact player coming into next year. He desperately needs to do more free throw shooting though. 56% won't cut it. We don't need two Cookes at the line.
I'm excited for this years recruiting class. I think this is the best all around class we've had in years!
I think Jones will be good aswell. I noticed he's avging about 14 ppg and does well with the ball.
Barnes is already 250 lbs!!! Amazing! And he's avging a double double. He may be an impact player coming into next year. He desperately needs to do more free throw shooting though. 56% won't cut it. We don't need two Cookes at the line.
I'm excited for this years recruiting class. I think this is the best all around class we've had in years!
PotatoCreekPete
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kansasCowboy said:
I am with you about this recruiting class, I am really excited to see these young men realize their potential during their years at UW. These guys seem to be leaders and very mature players which bodes well for them being able to make the change between HS and college.
kansasCowboy
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Adv8RU12 said:
That's easy to coach a kid out of though, but, if he's continues to excel behind the arc then Shyatt may give him freedom to shoot all over the place. I'm really interested to see him interact on the floor with Grabau and Adams. This kid reminds me a lot of Brett McFall. Maybe better.
POKE FAN
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Adv8RU12 said:
The staff obviously likes his shooting ability, but make no mistake, Jeremy is coming in as a true point. By all accounts, he's an excellent ballhandler and he'll be a true floor leader for the Pokes. Personally, I love the fact that he'll be a threat to pull the trigger on (most) open looks. Very nice honor to receive a Cali POY award.
BeaverPoke
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I wonder what it's like for someone like Trey Washington or Jeremy Lieberman when they come into summer ball playing a pick-up game and Josh Adams D's them up in a way they have never experienced before?
Adams seems like a Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan type of personality on the court...works extremely hard and won't let someone win in practice.
That must be a big reality check for a freshman coming in.
We will see how much of a true leader he is only when the games are being played.
He could excel his freshman year like Adams did or he could be a bench player that makes everyone wonder WTF he is doing in games like Trey or Riley.
Adams seems like a Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan type of personality on the court...works extremely hard and won't let someone win in practice.
That must be a big reality check for a freshman coming in.
We will see how much of a true leader he is only when the games are being played.
He could excel his freshman year like Adams did or he could be a bench player that makes everyone wonder WTF he is doing in games like Trey or Riley.
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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Riley needs to go away quietly like Sellers is going to. That dude has been liability for most of his career. His occasional scoring outbursts are no match for his complete ineptitude in all other areas of the game. Lieberman and Adams sounds alright to me. Hell it can't be any worseBeaverPoke said:
Cowboy Junky
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You guys calling for Riley's head are fucking stupid. He's the closest thing to a point guard we have. He's a great passer, has a very good assists/turnover ratio, and shoots lights out when his legs are strong. We need more depth at the guard position so Riley wont have to play as many minutes: his shooting percentage will stay high.
Riley's a senior next year, so he's about to have his best year and he's already done well.
What would we do without Riley? I'll answer that for you: we would give more minutes to Jack Bentz and Trey Washington and neither one of those guys is half the point guard that Riley is right now.
Riley's a senior next year, so he's about to have his best year and he's already done well.
What would we do without Riley? I'll answer that for you: we would give more minutes to Jack Bentz and Trey Washington and neither one of those guys is half the point guard that Riley is right now.
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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I guess I just don't see it that way. With the exception of a couple games there would have been no drop off to those next guys. You never know what Washington would have become with more floor time. Throw him to the wolves game one and he very well could have pulled a josh Adams and excelled. He also could have floundered and sucked and hurt us but I can't see how it would have hurt us worse than running Riley all game every game good or badCowboy Junky said:
POKE FAN
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kansasCowboy said:
ESPN.com had Lieberman ranked #26 in the entire state of California. That's pretty decent company. We should expect him to be an effective contributor down the road -- earlier rather than later, hopefully. I like that his coach (Palarz) likens his game to Dan Dickau's (whom Jeremy has worked out with recently) and Luke Ridnour's. That's also pretty good company. You can never have too many solid ball handlers on your team.
fromolwyoming
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This kid is looking pretty good! And UNLV fans are saying that the kid out of Vegas could also be an immediate contributor. Couple these 2 with the kid out of Colorado, and this class is looking to be very good!
jaxcowboy93
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Cowboy Junky said:
Riley cost this team 2-3X more points per game in all but a couple of games this year. He was always 2 steps behind his man while he tried to fight over the top of a pick and then would watch his guy hit a jumper. Or, he would chase him around the pick, help would come and his man would dish for an easy two. Either way, he played horrible defense which caused the entire team defense to rotate and help, ultimately breaking down. When you consider his contributions on both ends of the court he was a negative contributor.
Cowboy Junky
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jaxcowboy93 said:
He might cost us a point or two on defense. He's not a great defender, but he's adequate. Again, this is another thing that relates to our lack of depth. He's a much better defender at the start of the season. Playing 35 minutes a night tends to make you slower defensively, especially when you can't afford to take him off the court at the end of games.
There's a reason why he starts. He's the best point guard we have bar none.
The solution isn't to have Riley go away. The solution is to provide him some help so he can rest his legs a bit every game. If Riley wasn't playing last year and Trey/Jack Bentz were, we would have lost 5 more games. He kept us in half the games with his three point shooting.
I just find it annoying and ignorant to criticize a kid that leaves his heart on the court every night and works his ass off to win ballgames for Wyoming. It's not like he's a disciplinary problem or a head case. He's a great floor leader and he busts his ass without much help. If Riley quit right now, we would lose 5 more games next season.
Keep busting him up though. I'm sure he loves reading how he sucks when he's one of the best players on the team and THE best point guard on the team.
BeaverPoke
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Throw Trey Washington to the wolves in game 1 and he might have been good?
Umm...he scored like 14 points game one of the season. Had another decent game. But got worse and worse throughout the season.
Adams got thrown to the wolves and then earned the right to keep playing.
Trey got his chance, showed he was good, then lost his playing time because he sucked.
Umm...he scored like 14 points game one of the season. Had another decent game. But got worse and worse throughout the season.
Adams got thrown to the wolves and then earned the right to keep playing.
Trey got his chance, showed he was good, then lost his playing time because he sucked.
PotatoCreekPete
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Cowboy Junky said:
You are right, the solution is not for Riley to go away that is just way out of left field IMO. There was no doubt that Riley's game suffered the longer the season went on, whether or not this was tied to an injury or not I am not sure. They mentioned earlier that he got leg tired and needed just some rest to get his legs underneath him. Despite the stretch during the middle of the season he just wasn't able to be a factor down the stretch late in the season when we needed him most. IMO Riley would be a top reserve on most teams in the MWC. He is a smart player who does work really hard, and he is a very valuable player. But does this mean that he should automatically keep his starting job next season? No. Frankly I feel that his lack of speed hurts the Pokes on both the offensive and defensive ends of the court. Riley has problems on fast breaks as he doesn't have the speed to get past defenses and he can't develop a shot off the dribble on his own against any decent defender. On defense he can fairly easily be beaten off the dribble by the top guards in the league. I think that there is a reason why Riley who was Mr. Basketball (the year he came out of HS in Boulder) was not heavily recruited by CSU or CU and that was due to his limited quickness and speed.
I would personally see if Lieberman could run the offense, meaning will he have the command of the offense well enough and the physical quickness and offensive ability to develop his own shots off the dribble, and if he does I would seriously give him a shot at playing a bunch his freshman year. If they are comparing Lieberman to Dickau that is huge praise in deed and Riley obviously needs to rest more and I think that Riley can be an asset if his time is cut down considerable because it would allow him to be a lot fresher when he is needed as the season goes on. I am not sure if Washington is a true point or not. My feeling is that he needs to learn to handle the ball better in pressure defensive situations and needs to learn how to keep his head up and distribute the ball better. Washington is a young player and I am hoping that he matures a lot during this offseason.
Cowboy Junky
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PotatoCreekPete said:
Liebermann looks like a beast on paper. I don't think he or anyone else is going to beat Riley out for the start. The other options are Trey, Jack, and Josh. Josh is a two guard. It's his most effective spot on the floor. Trey looked lost on the court last year. His defense was worse then Grabau's. His shooting was much worse. His turnovers were higher/per minute. I expect a big improvement from him, but I don't know if he's going to be as good as Riley next season. If he sticks with it and works hard he has potential to be better then Riley. I would bet he ends up the back up two guard behind Adams. When he shoots with confidence he can stroke it, and not having to bring the ball up the court should help his confidence quite a bit.
Jack Bentz is like a poor man's Riley Grabau.
The only other option is Liebermann. From his tape and his scouting, he's a great ball handler, shooter, and he plays good defense. Still, he's going to be a freshman. Grabau has leadership skills. He's a calming force on the court. He's a great passer. He shoots 90+ percent from the line. When his legs are fresh he was second in three point percentage in all of college basketball. He doesn't turn the ball over. He's an adequate defender when rested. Not only that, but he's going to be a senior. We haven't seen the best of Riley yet.
I would expect Riley to blossom and challenge for all-conference honors next year. Unless Trey transfers out we'll have a four guard rotation next year that should be very capable. I think Riley/Liebermann is the point. Adams/Washington is the two. That gives you room to breath because they can all bring the ball up the court if they have to, in case foul trouble sidelines a couple of guys. It should give Riley some rest, so his legs are fresh enough to shoot and play defense.
We'll see with Jeremy. He'll have to be one hell of a special freshman to beat Riley out his senior year.
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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He had 14 points game one of the season with extensive playing time...how is that not excelling? After that he never really got consistent playing time. Its hard to keep your confidence when you never play...It isn't a stretch to say adams wouldn't had the same results with the same amount of playing time his freshman year. Either way I believe him playing couldn't have had worse stats than Riley did all seasonBeaverPoke said:
