If Larry is done for the season, redshirts are in order.....

[whyoh]

If I don't start threads who does?

Start as many threads as you want. I'll just merge them all into one, and change the title to something like "BeaverPoke's Random Musings".

 

[BeaverPoke]

Look at how many threads were started by me on the front page of the Wyo hoops forum...you'll be surprised.

 

[SDPokeFan]

I appreciate the optimism, but lets face facts. This team is doing nothing without Larry. It may not win another game. We had hardly any post depth before Larry got hurt, much less now. Teams are going to stand outside around the three-pointer and dare us to throw it inside to post players who have very little offensive skill. Theo Ratliff isn't walking through that door....it's Sellars, who couldn't jump over a credit card with a trampoline.

You being the guy that advocates Wyoming dropping to the FCS, I'm sure you'll understand when I say I'd take it under consideration with a crystal of sodium.

Are you of French descent?

I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I didn't say we shouldn't play the games. I didn't say we should quit. I hope we win each and every game. I said we may not win another game, which, without your best player, with a team that comes down to the wire in every single game with their best player, isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. I hope this doesn't offend your delicate sensibilities too much.

And Aaron....well I'll give you a pass because you live in Wheatland and the wind has probably driven you insane.

 

[Aaron]

And Aaron....well I'll give you a pass because you live in Wheatland and the wind has probably driven you insane.

I can not deny this. Worst winter for wind in my 30 years

 

[Cuttslam]

I appreciate the optimism, but lets face facts. This team is doing nothing without Larry. It may not win another game. We had hardly any post depth before Larry got hurt, much less now. Teams are going to stand outside around the three-pointer and dare us to throw it inside to post players who have very little offensive skill. Theo Ratliff isn't walking through that door....it's Sellars, who couldn't jump over a credit card with a trampoline.

I love how you are vilified by a statement that is 100% correct. Larry Nance is the sun and the rest of the team are the planets if you couldn't see that you are a big dope.

 

[SDPokeFan]

When I made that statement it wasn't because I was giving up, it's because it is fact. I think everyone can see that after tonight's game.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

If Hankerson is off the team, I would really look into this plan. He would be the only person, aside from the fan base, that would be hurt by redshirting Grabau, Cooke, Nance and Haldorson next year. Now, if you do it, you're not going to piss off/alienate Hankerson and his family.

I say go on plan "redshirt". Load up for the following year and allow Nance's knee to give him the best shot at playing in the NBA. This is the main reason this plan makes sense. You don't rush Nance back and give him the best opportunity to return to strength before his senior year.

With recent developments with Hankerson this plan makes even more sense. Cooke's game would improve drastically with another year in the gym(he could probably get up 100,000 free throws in a year). It would give Haldorson time to get some much needed weight. Nance wouldn't be rushed back and would have a year in the gym to prepare for his senior year. Grabau would even benefit from a year off. Trey Washington would probably get 30 minutes a game next year(solve his minute problem and possibly help land his buddy). It would push two guys that don't even contribute out the top of the roster in Sellers and Bentz. It would allow the rest of the guys that do play next year to get playing time and solidify/create depth in the post, at SF, and at guard. You would be giving an entire season full of minutes to guys like Vernon, Herndon, Jones, Barnes, Lieberman...With next years roster, Josh Adams would be the man and the challenge should really give Adams the opportunity to become a bonified star in the MWC. The year we open the renovated AA we would have a conference champion contender. Only having to replace Sellers next year would allow Shyatt to be picky with that scholarship and put his focus on recruiting replacements for Nance, Grabau, Cooke, and Adams the following season. Maybe you could convince Mcmanamen to take the Hathaway if you find a second recruit that is too good to pass up. It would let Shyatt recruit with a fully renovated AA, an increased recruiting budget, and possibly a conference championship/NCAA tourney run.

For those that think we can win without Nance, the last two games should tell you that we need to create depth with the roster we have. If anyone has a better plan than this one on how to do that I would like to see it. For now this solves almost all of our depth problems for the following three seasons.

Just look at the potential two deep when they come back from redshirt.

PG Senior Grabau/Soph Lieberman
SG Senior Adams/Junior Washington
SF Soph Jones/Soph Vernon/Junior Haldorson/Junior Jason Mcmanamen(I'm not sure who would start here but the competition would be great)
PF Senior Cooke/Soph Herndon
C Senior Nance/Soph Barnes

You would have real depth at guard and four guys that are 6'8" or above in the post. We would literally be nine or ten deep. We wouldn't be in the situation we're in now where guys like Bentz and Sellers have to get minutes because we don't have any other options. Everybody taking the court would be an asset.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Riley, Larry, Austin, or DC: if you're reading this get the ball rolling. We'll happily add another rebuilding year to the process for the potential for a sweet 16 team in a fully renovated AA.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Nance said he isn't opposed to a red-shirt.
And that he feels bad for the fans who had their hopes up so much then this happened.

Shows how nice the kid is. Everyone is sitting here feeling bad for him but he is concerned about the fans because we don't get to cheer for a good team.

 

[NowherePoke]

Nance said he isn't opposed to a red-shirt.
And that he feels bad for the fans who had their hopes up so much then this happened.

Shows how nice the kid is. Everyone is sitting here feeling bad for him but he is concerned about the fans because we don't get to cheer for a good team.

I can't remember another player receiving such positive comments from opposition around the league either. Wonder if AJ West knows who Larry Nance is now. Too bad Larry probably won't get a chance to abuse West again next year.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Nance said he isn't opposed to a red-shirt.
And that he feels bad for the fans who had their hopes up so much then this happened.

Shows how nice the kid is. Everyone is sitting here feeling bad for him but he is concerned about the fans because we don't get to cheer for a good team.

I think Larry is the key to this whole thing. His dad had three knee surgeries. His sister had three. No other family on earth knows the importance of taking your time to come back from ACL surgery. In addition, the NBA scouts know it. In order for Larry to make the NBA, he's going to have to be fully recovered without missing a step from last years form. I think Larry will redshirt.

Once that happens, guys like Grabau, Cooke, and Haldorson are going to ask themselves if they would rather play a year without Larry or a year with Larry. When that happens, I think there's a good shot we might see those guys redshirt.

 

[NowherePoke]

In terms of the redshirt plan, sorry CJ just not going to work. Cooke has already taken a redshirt year and the NCAA doesn't allow enough redshirt years to bring Austin Haldorson up to speed.

From my point of view, Shyatt has to free up one scholarship for next year and land a big man that can contribute at the 5 spot either via JC or 5th year transfer. Go into next year with Grabau, Adams, Hankerson (if his issue can be worked out), Cooke, and this additional player as starters. Washington, McManamen, Vernon (if on the team), and Herndon off the bench.

If you get the right player (which I will acknowledge is difficult), than that team could be competitive. Sign a quality 2015 class with hopefully at least one immediate impact player and build the 15-16 team around Nance/Adams.

 

[wellpoke]

I'm not opposed to this plan, but I think we all know it's up to the coaches and players.

My question is this... How does taking a year off affect everyone's game during actual playing time? I get that they'd all have a year to develop with some good coaching and lots of gym time, but there's a lot to be said for actual playing time on the court during a conference game. Guys like Grabau are so streaky anyway that an entire year away from playing time on the court might actually not help. And Cooke has come a long way this season, but that's mostly due to playing time and getting a feel for the game, imo. Does taking a year off negatively affect guys like that? Could be a crapshoot.

Nance should definitely take the year if he needs it, and I think everyone would support that. But I'm not sure it's best to have everyone take that same year. Plus, how does that affect Shyatt's recruiting plans next year or two years down the road. You might have a roster loaded and ready for a deep NCAA run in that season, but what happens the next season and the season after that? I won't pretend to be a recruiting expert or know who Shyatt has in the pipeline, but a plan like this has got to affect long term recruiting as well.

Just some thoughts as I read the thread. Will be interesting to see how Shyatt and company handle this.

GO POKES!

 

[Slow Hand]

All this talk of red shirt here red shirt there. Why don't they just put a little more energy into recruiting some viable players? Generally that is how most D1 programs progress from a key injury.

 

[Slow Hand]

I used to be a huge Shyatt fan the first time he was here....but since his return he seems to have changed the way he plays and thinks. He takes the ball deep into the shot clock, not looking to score until the very end then often times shooting a very low percentage shot. What in the hell is with the three man weave on top? WE used to do that in junior high basketball. His stock has diminished in my book. He seems to play "not to Lose" which is ridiculous if anyone cares. LOL

 

[NowherePoke]

I used to be a huge Shyatt fan the first time he was here....but since his return he seems to have changed the way he plays and thinks. He takes the ball deep into the shot clock, not looking to score until the very end then often times shooting a very low percentage shot. What in the hell is with the three man weave on top? WE used to do that in junior high basketball. His stock has diminished in my book. He seems to play "not to Lose" which is ridiculous if anyone cares. LOL

Disagree here. Shyatt's first tenure was one of our slowest tempo teams ever, so it's not a surprise that we play a slow tempo under Shyatt.

In terms of playing not to lose, I don't see that at all. That was a valid criticism of DC in football I believe but I think Shyatt's results belie that criticism. We have had more success against ranked/top level teams (SDSU, CU, etc.) since he came back than we had in about a decade before his return.

The problem that Shyatt has experienced is not recruiting enough MWC caliber talent.

 

[TSpoke]

In terms of the redshirt plan, sorry CJ just not going to work. Cooke has already taken a redshirt year and the NCAA doesn't allow enough redshirt years to bring Austin Haldorson up to speed.

From my point of view, Shyatt has to free up one scholarship for next year and land a big man that can contribute at the 5 spot either via JC or 5th year transfer. Go into next year with Grabau, Adams, Hankerson (if his issue can be worked out), Cooke, and this additional player as starters. Washington, McManamen, Vernon (if on the team), and Herndon off the bench.

If you get the right player (which I will acknowledge is difficult), than that team could be competitive. Sign a quality 2015 class with hopefully at least one immediate impact player and build the 15-16 team around Nance/Adams.

We already have to open up one spot for the three recruits we have coming in. So for your plan to go out and get a cneter to contribute next year we would have to let 2 player go. And where are these really good 5's that have not comitted for next year and can contribute right away. Doubt there are many out there. Every team wants those guys but there are not many to begin with let alone this late in the game.
If larry redshirts next year for big men we have:
Cooke-if he could continue to get better he could be pretty good. If he made 2 of the dunks he missed he would have had 11 and 13 against AF.(Not like missing dunks is common for him either)
Sellers-is what he is(no very good, but good size)
Halderson-Get in the weight room, nice shot
Vernon-undersized for a post but built to bang down low, still bigger than having granberry downlow, Tyson Johnson type player?
Herndon-I think we forget about him, haven't seen him play but has good size and the staff was extremely high on him, could contribute next year
Barnes-Incoming Freshman but apparently plays great defense(which is what it takes to see the floor as a freshman) an unknown but not out of the realm of possibility to contribute.

A lot of unknown players in the post for next year but some with some real potential to be pretty good.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

In terms of the redshirt plan, sorry CJ just not going to work. Cooke has already taken a redshirt year and the NCAA doesn't allow enough redshirt years to bring Austin Haldorson up to speed.

From my point of view, Shyatt has to free up one scholarship for next year and land a big man that can contribute at the 5 spot either via JC or 5th year transfer. Go into next year with Grabau, Adams, Hankerson (if his issue can be worked out), Cooke, and this additional player as starters. Washington, McManamen, Vernon (if on the team), and Herndon off the bench.

If you get the right player (which I will acknowledge is difficult), than that team could be competitive. Sign a quality 2015 class with hopefully at least one immediate impact player and build the 15-16 team around Nance/Adams.

I was wondering about Cooke. The official Gowyo site has him listed without a redshirt. I thought he had already used his. Still, redshirting a couple of key guys would do wonders for this team.

Let's not forget the reason why Shyatt and the boys are in this place. Schroyer and Langely loaded up their recruiting classes to try and catch a bus out of town. When they ended up failing, Shyatt had to recruit 10 players within his first year on the job. You're going to end up with a bunch of projects, no matter who you are, when you have to recruit 10 players to a failing program in a isolated place within 12 months of being hired.

Grabau, Nance, Cooke, and Haldorson should have redshirted at the beginning of their Wyoming careers. Shyatt didn't have that luxury.

I still would do it. Redshirt the upper classmen you can, develop the younger players, let some of the non-contributors graduate, and allow Nance the necessary time to get back to 100 percent. With Hankerson likely done then we actually have the exact amount of scholarships we need right now.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Nance said he isn't opposed to a red-shirt.
And that he feels bad for the fans who had their hopes up so much then this happened.

Shows how nice the kid is. Everyone is sitting here feeling bad for him but he is concerned about the fans because we don't get to cheer for a good team.

I think Larry is the key to this whole thing. His dad had three knee surgeries. His sister had three. No other family on earth knows the importance of taking your time to come back from ACL surgery. In addition, the NBA scouts know it. In order for Larry to make the NBA, he's going to have to be fully recovered without missing a step from last years form. I think Larry will redshirt.

Once that happens, guys like Grabau, Cooke, and Haldorson are going to ask themselves if they would rather play a year without Larry or a year with Larry. When that happens, I think there's a good shot we might see those guys redshirt.

Just to clarify, Larry is the first in his family to have ACL surgery. His sister and father had different knee surgeries.

 

[stymeman]

I like Shyatt and all, but recruiting D1 players to UW, somethings gotta give and hopefully within the next 5-8 years lol, I'm in total agreement of Redshirting Larry next year, it'll only help us in the long run and get these youngsters up to speed