I think even more SUDS and SPUDS will regret the Least.

[fromolwyoming]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21292915/big-east-deal-could-be-worth-as-little-as-60-million-per-year" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And they would only get about 70% of that.

 

[Wyo2dal]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21292915/big-east-deal-could-be-worth-as-little-as-60-million-per-year

And they would only get about 70% of that.

So low balled if they only get 4 Million which is probably a good guess that is still approximately 3 time as much as they are getting in the MWC. I don't see BSU/BYU or SDSU wanting back in they aren't going to spend that revenue entirely on travel. Now if it drops down to 2 million yes I could see them begging to get back in but 4 million I see them being satisfied with it.

 

[fromolwyoming]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21292915/big-east-deal-could-be-worth-as-little-as-60-million-per-year

And they would only get about 70% of that.

So low balled if they only get 4 Million which is probably a good guess that is still approximately 3 time as much as they are getting in the MWC. I don't see BSU/BYU or SDSU wanting back in they aren't going to spend that revenue entirely on travel. Now if it drops down to 2 million yes I could see them begging to get back in but 4 million I see them being satisfied with it.

Well, apparently MWC teams make between 2-3 million a piece with the new tier 3 contract (like the Front Range schools getting games on ROOT sports and what not), at least according to this article.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21280313/byu-will-battle-paltry-payout-in-new-revenue-distribution-plan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[stymeman]

they'll be sorry in a few years once it all caves in on them....it'll happen

 

[Wyo2dal]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21292915/big-east-deal-could-be-worth-as-little-as-60-million-per-year

And they would only get about 70% of that.

So low balled if they only get 4 Million which is probably a good guess that is still approximately 3 time as much as they are getting in the MWC. I don't see BSU/BYU or SDSU wanting back in they aren't going to spend that revenue entirely on travel. Now if it drops down to 2 million yes I could see them begging to get back in but 4 million I see them being satisfied with it.

Well, apparently MWC teams make between 2-3 million a piece with the new tier 3 contract (like the Front Range schools getting games on ROOT sports and what not), at least according to this article.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21280313/byu-will-battle-paltry-payout-in-new-revenue-distribution-plan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So what might the Big East alignment eventually net San Diego State? One former television executive consulting to the Big East estimates that the next Big East media package will conservatively bring $90 million per year. The current Big East practice is to split the total package with 70% going to football and 30% to basketball.

As announced last week, the new Big East includes 8 full members: Houston, SMU, UCF, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Rutgers, and USF. Boise and San Diego State have committed to be football only members, and the Big East could still land Air Force and Navy as football only members. The 8 basketball only members would be: DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John’s, and Villanova.

Based on a $90 million annual package, there would be $63 million for football and $27 million for basketball. Given the projected membership above, that leaves a $5.25 million share for football only schools, a $1.687 million share for basketball only schools, and a $6.937 million share for full members. Under that scenario, San Diego State could be increasing their annual take from football media rights from $1.9 million to $5.25 million, for a net gain of $3.35 million.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/category/mountain-west/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If those numbers are correct 3.35 Million is plenty to keep them in the Big East, Now that was at an estimated 90 Million say that estimation turns into 80 or even 70 Million with the realignment going on that might be enough to make them think twice. It all depends on what the deal comes out to be.

 

[Wyovanian]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21292915/big-east-deal-could-be-worth-as-little-as-60-million-per-year

And they would only get about 70% of that.

So low balled if they only get 4 Million which is probably a good guess that is still approximately 3 time as much as they are getting in the MWC. I don't see BSU/BYU or SDSU wanting back in they aren't going to spend that revenue entirely on travel. Now if it drops down to 2 million yes I could see them begging to get back in but 4 million I see them being satisfied with it.

While they may get $3-4M for football, they need to ask themselves if sacrificing their other sports, including men's basketball is worth it. NCAA credits alone this season will probably pay each MWC team between $800K-1M, while the BWC will see around $100k-150K per team. Also, what's the long-term viability of the contract? If Cincinnati leaves, is the contract void? They're ticket revenues will undoubtedly take hits as well. Tulane, Cincinnati, et al just aren't going to sell as many tickets in San Diego as Fresno State.

I don't know, any way you cut it, it looks like someone desperate to "belong" grasping at straws and thinking being backseat bitches is somehow akin to being the belles of the ball. BSU and SDSU will be the groupies "partying" with the roadies instead of the rock stars.

 

[Cowduck]

Plus the Big East is likely to lose even more members and backfill with even more inferior teams, plus they will be locked into that TV deal for significantly longer than the MWC's current deal (which almost certainly would be restructured were they to stay put anyways), plus they will struggle playing multiple conference football games two-three time zones to the east every season, plus they will be crushing their upwardly mobile basketball programs, plus they will only have AQ to hang their hat on for one season... yeah, I can't imagine why they would want to back out of the Big East at this point.

Wyo2dal, your link predates the defections of Louisville and Rutgers and the report linked in the OP considerably - any projections have to take into account a very different makeup of the Big East + likely additional defections. There is a very real possibility that the Big East won't even exist in its current makeup as a basketball league - a not-insignificant number of basketball-only schools are ready to bolt or at least vote to stop sponsoring football as a conference. Your link says conservative estimate is $90M - now the conservative estimate is 2/3 that amount.

 

[Wyo2dal]

agreed completely, I really like this site - http://businessofcollegesports.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; it has helped me understand a lot about how schools spend and operate that while I didn't need to know it's nice to be able to understand it all. Here are the scenarios for SDSU and they are laid out pretty good.

Under the best case scenario, where the Big East lands a media rights deal worth $90 million a year and has two teams in BCS games, SDSU stands to gain $4.18 million per year after deducting incremental spending on football. However, on the other end of the spectrum, the worst case scenario could cost SDSU approximately $770,000 per year, which would involve no increased media rights deal and loss of AQ status in the Big East and decreased basketball revenue consistent with typical Big West basketball revenue.

Those are likely the most significant considerations for a university in SDSU’s position and the ones that would be expected to drive the final decision. More difficult to quantify are issues like the impact on football student-athletes from a more demanding travel schedule, the effect that playing lower ranked teams has on recruiting and quality of experience for every other team in the department, and the overall message that accompanies the move.

This comes down to was throwing the Basketball team which is what SDSU is known for under the bus actually make them money. IMO No they are going to lose money and lose recruit prospects for both Basketball and Football. Think about it you tell your student that you are trying to recruit that games will be @ 4PM PST kick off and travel for a Football game will go from 1 day to 3 days.

Basketball, Let's be serious Big West? Who is going to go to SDSU knowing that they are going to be seen less and less every year and that Basketball literally means nothing to the University. SDSU and BSU's AD have compromised the Schools Olympic Athletics teams.

 

[Cowduck]

agreed completely, I really like this site - http://businessofcollegesports.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; it has helped me understand a lot about how schools spend and operate that while I didn't need to know it's nice to be able to understand it all. Here are the scenarios for SDSU and they are laid out pretty good.

Under the best case scenario, where the Big East lands a media rights deal worth $90 million a year and has two teams in BCS games, SDSU stands to gain $4.18 million per year after deducting incremental spending on football. However, on the other end of the spectrum, the worst case scenario could cost SDSU approximately $770,000 per year, which would involve no increased media rights deal and loss of AQ status in the Big East and decreased basketball revenue consistent with typical Big West basketball revenue.

Those are likely the most significant considerations for a university in SDSU’s position and the ones that would be expected to drive the final decision. More difficult to quantify are issues like the impact on football student-athletes from a more demanding travel schedule, the effect that playing lower ranked teams has on recruiting and quality of experience for every other team in the department, and the overall message that accompanies the move.

Yeah, the decision to go Big East looked short-sighted at the time but I did not expect the chickens to come home to roost so quickly. At this point it seems like the only thing keeping SDSU and BSU from nuking the Big East move is ego. Either that or they are playing coy to leverage CBS and the existing MWC to maximize a restructured MWC media deal.

 

[Wyo2dal]

agreed completely, I really like this site - http://businessofcollegesports.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; it has helped me understand a lot about how schools spend and operate that while I didn't need to know it's nice to be able to understand it all. Here are the scenarios for SDSU and they are laid out pretty good.

Under the best case scenario, where the Big East lands a media rights deal worth $90 million a year and has two teams in BCS games, SDSU stands to gain $4.18 million per year after deducting incremental spending on football. However, on the other end of the spectrum, the worst case scenario could cost SDSU approximately $770,000 per year, which would involve no increased media rights deal and loss of AQ status in the Big East and decreased basketball revenue consistent with typical Big West basketball revenue.

Those are likely the most significant considerations for a university in SDSU’s position and the ones that would be expected to drive the final decision. More difficult to quantify are issues like the impact on football student-athletes from a more demanding travel schedule, the effect that playing lower ranked teams has on recruiting and quality of experience for every other team in the department, and the overall message that accompanies the move.

Yeah, the decision to go Big East looked short-sighted at the time but I did not expect the chickens to come home to roost so quickly. At this point it seems like the only thing keeping SDSU and BSU from nuking the Big East move is ego. Either that or they are playing coy to leverage CBS and the existing MWC to maximize a restructured MWC media deal.

In which case helps all of the MWC so i'm fine with that hold out, As it sits the MWC needs a way better Media deal right now. CBSSports isn't offering much and the package with Root is ok but Root isn't nationwide it's region based. That is the biggest issue MWC needs to market itself out nationally not regionally and they need to do it now. If going back to ESPN requires some type of begging than the MWC should be begging.

 

[J-Rod]

Pecking Order: Big Four conferences > ACC > Big East > MWC.

Teams will go where the money is. Even Thompson himself conceded there is no hope for the mountain schools for television. The T.V. sets are just not there. This disaster has only just begun for the MWC. MW fans are under the same delusion WAC fans were under only a few years ago, nobody is coming back. The pecking order is established, and its only a matter of time before more dominoes fall.

 

[Cowduck]

Pecking Order: Big Four conferences > ACC > Big East > MWC.

Teams will go where the money is. Even Thompson himself conceded there is no hope for the mountain schools for television. The T.V. sets are just not there. This disaster has only just begun for the MWC. MW fans are under the same delusion WAC fans were under only a few years ago, nobody is coming back. The pecking order is established, and its only a matter of time before more dominoes fall.

Problem is, TV sets aren't really where the Big East is anymore football-wise, either. It's C-USA with a different name - what was C-USA's media deal like? And other Big East members are desperate to flee. There's no reason to believe that if the MWC somehow was a free agent media wise right now it would do any worse than the Big East as the two are currently slated to be constituted in 2013. It would probably do a little better with BSU/SDSU + any of the other additions that have been rumored. I don't think Thompson ever said "no hope, period," he just conceded the reality that we'd never get Big Five type money.

Put it this way, if the Big East offered Wyoming to join as the "western member" Aresco just said they were going to add, I would vote not only no but hell no. Even aside from all the other sentimental/logistical reasons, from a long term financial standpoint I don't see how it would make sense.

 

[WYCowboy]

Pecking Order: Big Four conferences > ACC > Big East > MWC.

Teams will go where the money is. Even Thompson himself conceded there is no hope for the mountain schools for television.

Link?


The T.V. sets are just not there.

No, there aren't as many TV sets in the MWC footprint as there are in the NBE, but with the NBE losing their key members that ratio is coming down & the networks know it. Even if there are more TVs in the East, I doubt there are any more watching the NBE than there are watching the MWC.

This disaster has only just begun for the MWC. MW fans are under the same delusion WAC fans were under only a few years ago, nobody is coming back.

Doom & gloom - oh well, the world will end at the end of December anyway.

The pecking order is established, and its only a matter of time before more dominoes fall.

In case you hadn't noticed, the pecking order is changing.

 

[BeachPoke]

The one thing that is not mentioned in this article is what does the FB only members take out of this pot.. They list BB only cut and full members if I read this correctly. They have 3 different type of members. They have FB only, full members and BB only... so they are not going to give the same cut to a FB only as they are Full members, it should be the same as BB only right??

 

[Wyo2dal]

The one thing that is not mentioned in this article is what does the FB only members take out of this pot.. They list BB only cut and full members if I read this correctly. They have 3 different type of members. They have FB only, full members and BB only... so they are not going to give the same cut to a FB only as they are Full members, it should be the same as BB only right??

It will be more than Basketball but not as much as full members that is why it's not estimated at the 4.15 million but instead it's estimated at just over 3 million. The biggest issue that maybe SDSU didn't clearly look at is their basketball team last year brought in 1 million in revenue. Clearly they have no chance of bringing that same revenue in being in the Big West.