Good ol' Utah...

[WilyWapiti]

David Collette Is a freshman? My ass.

2011-2012 1st year, Redshirt.
2012-2013 Mission in Charlotte, NC. I bet he couldn't find a pickup game there.
2013-2014 Mission in Charlotte, NC. Probably no workout facilities available, either.
2014-2015 Voila! A redshirt Freshman star at USU.

He and Nance were true Freshmen at the same time. Except now he still has 3 more years of eligibility.

Same shit, different day.

WW

 

[WestWYOPoke]

"But any school could do it"...still can't believe they use that as an excuse as to how it isn't an advantage...morons.

 

[djm19]

I won't delve into this too much.

Meh. We need to take care of things we can control instead of blaming our issues on other stuff. This is a whole different debate. I belong to the same religion as him, so I do feel I have a different perspective. It pisses me off that BYU has 25 year old players too, but it is what it is. If Jaycee Carroll were on our team back in the day we wouldn't be complaining about it. It is an option to us if we pursued it. We didn't even offer an LDS kid like Jaycee a scholarship, so these things are moot.

Blaming refs. Blaming age. Blaming weather. Blah blah blah. We got our butts handed to us, no matter their age. Control the things we can control. The other four guys for USU also kicked us in the mouth, same age as our guys.

Whether people serve in military, religious missions, etc. and want to come back to school....meh.

 

[djm19]

Guys like Alex Borgs are 25.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

I'm not blaming that on our loss, we certainly played too poorly to blame it on anyone or anything but ourselves.

My biggest beef with the whole situation is when certain schools (who shall not be named) and their fans act like there is no advantage to it. Total bullshit! There is certainly an advantage!

Now having said that, it is within the confines of the rules, so while it may be unfair, it is legal. Makes those games that we beat those who shan't be named all the sweeter.

 

[djm19]

I'm not blaming that on our loss, we certainly played too poorly to blame it on anyone or anything but ourselves.

My biggest beef with the whole situation is when certain schools (who shall not be named) and their fans act like there is no advantage to it. Total bullshit! There is certainly an advantage!

Now having said that, it is within the confines of the rules, so while it may be unfair, it is legal. Makes those games that we beat those who shan't be named all the sweeter.

I admit, it could provide some advantage, but it isn't exactly like BYU is rolling through their tough WCC schedule. Or in football. Maybe some advantage, but their record and statistics show otherwise. I know when I came home I was 30 pounds more, fat, outta shape, and never gained any athleticism back. I worked out every day. I still look like a rotting pear.

 

[djm19]

I actually agree with many of what is being said. I am not trying to say it ISN'T any advantage. I just thought the original post sounded like an excuse. If anything, I think Collette looks/acts psychotic and unstable. He was cheap and dirty. Even my USU friends and family see this. Age aside, I think he is a whiner. Always arguing with Stew and yelling at himself and such. Weird dude.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Guys like Alex Borgs are 25.

The exception for Wyoming....rarely do we have older kids on any of our teams.

 

[djm19]

Guys like Alex Borgs are 25.

The exception for Wyoming....rarely do we have older kids on any of our teams.

I know. Along with every other team in then nation outside of BYU. I am just saying that if we had a 21 yr old freshman QB we wouldn't be complaining about it, we don't have that QB...so we do complain.

My point was that older in age or not, BYU, USU, Utah, Weber State, Southern Utah, Dixie State, Stevens Henagar, ITT Tech, Provo College of Massage Therapy, (insert any other Utah school here), aren't exactly dominating anyone. The Utah basketball team is ranked high now, but nothing to do with age. I guess I am just saying that if you looked at straight up "advantage" because of age, all of these schools' records don't back up the fact they are "better." Their records are worse than ours, so the advantage must not be "that" great.

 

[NowherePoke]

Guys like Alex Borgs are 25.

The exception for Wyoming....rarely do we have older kids on any of our teams.

How many rotation guys does USU have that served missions? I am pretty sure Collette is the only one. They also play two true freshman (Pearre, Jones), two true sophomores (Moore, McGlaston), and two JC transfers in their first year of D-1 ball.

It is moderately amusing that Collete will be 35 and balding by the time he is a senior (the "BYU look"), but it has very little to do with their success.

 

[djm19]

This guy, I mean, he even looks 40. He seriously looks like he could be a professor.

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[JimmyDimes]

Guys like Alex Borgs are 25.

The exception for Wyoming....rarely do we have older kids on any of our teams.

How many rotation guys does USU have that served missions? I am pretty sure Collette is the only one. They also play two true freshman (Pearre, Jones), two true sophomores (Moore, McGlaston), and two JC transfers in their first year of D-1 ball.

It is moderately amusing that Collete will be 35 and balding by the time he is a senior (the "BYU look"), but it has very little to do with their success.

I just said our German born linebacker was the exception, not the rule. This was probably meant as a reply to another post.

Peace

 

[WilyWapiti]

Some context:

There was some posting on the MWC message board talking about how USU's freshman Collette dominated our senior Nance; because I don't post over there I thought I'd just point out here that they are just about the same age.

Someone else pointed out that Collette has almost assuredly played as much or more basketball than our Seniors in the last three years.

WW

 

[BeaverPoke]

I know that Oregon State is going after a lot of LDS kids going on missions now. Andersen is LDS, and is recruiting the hell out of the state of Utah. Beavers have a lot of new commits that won't see the field for a long time.

I have mixed views on it. I don't think it's fair to have 21, 22, 23, and 24 year old MEN playing a game with a bunch of 18, 19, 20 and 21 year olds. I also don't really think it's fair to tell an 17/18 year old kid that if he goes on a mission because he truly wants to, that he will never get to play college basketball/baseball.

I guess it is what it is, and now Utah isn't the only school in the Pac12 that is going to have players going bald.

As far as Nance and Collette. Collette has played a lot of hoops. LDS Church Leagues aint no joke.
Nance is going to be fine in the matchup against him in Laramie and if we play them in the MWC-Tourney.

It sucks we lost, but oh well. It is what it is.

 

[djm19]

Some context:

There was some posting on the MWC message board talking about how USU's freshman Collette dominated our senior Nance; because I don't post over there I thought I'd just point out here that they are just about the same age.

Someone else pointed out that Collette has almost assuredly played as much or more basketball than our Seniors in the last three years.

WW

10-4 buddy. I will tell you right now, if you are doing what you are supposed to on a mission than you have little to no time to play basketball. Maybe Collette was a floater on his mission and didn't do much, I don't know. After seeing him play in person, and listening to some stories from USU buddies that have been around him, I think he is a huge douche. Looks and acts like a complete tool.

 

[djm19]

I know that Oregon State is going after a lot of LDS kids going on missions now. Andersen is LDS, and is recruiting the hell out of the state of Utah. Beavers have a lot of new commits that won't see the field for a long time.

I have mixed views on it. I don't think it's fair to have 21, 22, 23, and 24 year old MEN playing a game with a bunch of 18, 19, 20 and 21 year olds. I also don't really think it's fair to tell an 17/18 year old kid that if he goes on a mission because he truly wants to, that he will never get to play college basketball/baseball.

I guess it is what it is, and now Utah isn't the only school in the Pac12 that is going to have players going bald.

As far as Nance and Collette. Collette has played a lot of hoops. LDS Church Leagues aint no joke.
Nance is going to be fine in the matchup against him in Laramie and if we play them in the MWC-Tourney.

It sucks we lost, but oh well. It is what it is.

One correction, Beav.

Gary isn't LDS, just not a stranger to it. He just knows how to navigate throughout the process LDs players. He welcomes them and will recruit them.

His kids went to Catholic schools and such.

So, yes, you will have some balding Beavers.

 

[LanderPoke]

Some context:

There was some posting on the MWC message board talking about how USU's freshman Collette dominated our senior Nance; because I don't post over there I thought I'd just point out here that they are just about the same age.

Someone else pointed out that Collette has almost assuredly played as much or more basketball than our Seniors in the last three years.

WW

10-4 buddy. I will tell you right now, if you are doing what you are supposed to on a mission than you have little to no time to play basketball. Maybe Collette was a floater on his mission and didn't do much, I don't know. After seeing him play in person, and listening to some stories from USU buddies that have been around him, I think he is a huge douche. Looks and acts like a complete tool.

Pretty much what djm said. I served an lds mission (don't worry, hate BYU, not a fan of Utah anything and am a 4th generation UW grad) and definitely was not bigger, faster, stronger when I came back. Most come home either fatter and atrophied or skinny and malnourished like me. I feel like I lost a step that I never got back, but I didn't try too hard to get it back lol. However, I would say it is an advantage overall. For those that don't incur irrevocable damage by living in second and third world countries how could it not be an advantage?

And, yes, Collette is a douche. He is the second douchiest player in the MWC behind Avila

 

[djm19]

Some context:

There was some posting on the MWC message board talking about how USU's freshman Collette dominated our senior Nance; because I don't post over there I thought I'd just point out here that they are just about the same age.

Someone else pointed out that Collette has almost assuredly played as much or more basketball than our Seniors in the last three years.

WW

10-4 buddy. I will tell you right now, if you are doing what you are supposed to on a mission than you have little to no time to play basketball. Maybe Collette was a floater on his mission and didn't do much, I don't know. After seeing him play in person, and listening to some stories from USU buddies that have been around him, I think he is a huge douche. Looks and acts like a complete tool.

Pretty much what djm said. I served an lds mission (don't worry, hate BYU, not a fan of Utah anything and am a 4th generation UW grad) and definitely was not bigger, faster, stronger when I came back. Most come home either fatter and atrophied or skinny and malnourished like me. I feel like I lost a step that I never got back, but I didn't try too hard to get it back lol. However, I would say it is an advantage overall. For those that don't incur irrevocable damage by living in second and third world countries how could it not be an advantage?

And, yes, Collette is a douche. He is the second douchiest player in the MWC behind Avila

Yeah, Avila is something else. Cage fight between those two would be worth paying a few bucks to see.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I've always been a fan of 5 years after graduation to play 4. Exceptions could be made on a case by case basis for medical reasons and such. In the rare cases of someone coming back from military service and wanting to play, an exception could also be made. A separate and logical policy could be developed for international players.

I don't understand why playing 4 years of college ball then serving isn't an option.

 

[Aggiefan33]

"But any school could do it"...still can't believe they use that as an excuse as to how it isn't an advantage...morons.

Morons / Mormons not much difference [emoji6]

I think being 2 years older can help mentally. I also think that can show in athletic abilities. I think like others stated, Lander and DJM, that if you make it 2 years you should be worse off physically.
I think it was answered but I think Collette is the only contributor that served his 2 year stint. We have a walk on that missioned but he shouldn't see the court.

Look forward to a very different game in Laramie. We are better at home than on the road.